Vicky wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 1:26am:


This is for everyone.

I am not currently practicing non-physical experiences, other than engendering the occasional dream state by relaxing with a specific technique before going to bed. Physically, I remain focused on other stuff right now. I have communicated this to Vicky privately, but I wanted to let others here know (e.g., publicly) since the idea of meeting non-physically with Bruce was being discussed.

To chime in on the general discussion ... I sense that it would be a mistake to have everyone "tap into or focus upon Bruce's and Vicky's tree relationship". Essentially, that is a shared place between Bruce and Vicky (e.g., their relationship) ... and not everyone here may have that specific connection with Bruce (e.g., an assumption).

I can share that I have had similar experiences (to Vicky) when non-physically meeting those connected to me and my physical life (e.g., for example someone who I dated and suddenly began having non-physical experiences with, but in physical life she wanted nothing to do with me). When I asked those supporting me more about that relationship and to also show themselves ... that's when I started having more experiences. However, the metaphor used in my experience was a "space station" (not a tree house). My primary guide took me there and showed me a much broader picture of the composition of souls which I extend from. I can share the specific  experience at another place and time (so don't ask about that here).

Anyway, my general point is that leap frogging or pigging backing upon Vicky-Bruce's relationship may not be a good idea. The branches of the treehouse are for Bruce and Vicky to explore, and not necessarily others who are not connected to their relationship. That is my simple warning.

However, I can suggest another common image. And ... Bruce may already be helping with that by sharing images with several here already of lakes, bodies of water, fishing, boat rides, etc. I would suggest everyone going with those visuals to form a common image.

Finally, when reaching out to Bruce, it is important to imagine these things tactilely. So, when walking down to the lake feel the path underneath your feet, imagine and feel a cool breeze coming off the lake, maybe imagine a dock and feel the dock and tied up boats, get into a kayak and start paddling on the water, etc. You are doing more than just imagining it, your are imagining yourself actually non-physically sensing it (e.g., more than just thinking about it).

Good luck to everyone!

withinn wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 11:12am:


Lots of questions there.  And good ones to ponder.  My answer is why not try to find out all you can?  Bruce taught us that it doesn't hurt to try to explore on your own to find your own answers to have your own knowledge.

I knew Bruce personally and have had hundreds of conversations with him about beliefs spirituality.  He said he would always be willing to be in contact with anyone who wanted to contact him.  He also said that he had no idea what would happen to him after he leaves this physical reality, but that he knew he would always be willing to make contact and/or answer anyone's request for contact.  Personally to me, he promised many times that he would not only visit me (whether I was aware of it or not) but that he would do all that he could to try to make me aware of his presence.  So I believe him.  I have no reason to think that he's "over" the legacy he left here, or that he couldn't care less about my feelings now. 

Also, your questions seem to imply that if Bruce has "moved on" and is done with physical cares here, then we may only imagine a residue of him.  I'm not sure what you mean by that, but in my belief even if he has "moved on" we can still contact him, or to put it another way he can still receive our requests and desires for contact. 

These are my personal beliefs.  From what I have personal experience with, for instance my dad who died in 2010, I still have visits from him.  The last was when my mom was dying.  Dad was there.  So I do believe that they still care about what we feel and care about.  I can't imagine our loved ones just move on and aren't affected by our feelings and aren't pulled emotionally by our feelings. 

Bruce also taught that dreams was one of the easiest way for anyone to make contact with anyone, dead or alive because dream consciousness was an easy area to perceive in. 

So I think another great way to try and visit with Bruce would be for you (anyone) to set intention before sleep to visit with Bruce in a dream.   I agree it might be the easiest way to make contact 

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Boy I couldn't agree more.  Just last night I was thinking about this very concept and how important it was, and I made a mental note to make sure I noted it in my next book (that God only knows when I'll ever get around to finishing  LOL)

I have been spending time each night doing some solid OBE practice and using the same technique so that I get it ingrained in my awareness.  Long story short, I was imagining I was in my back yard walking through the garden and I was wearing my house slippers.  I decided I'd rather wear my rain boots so I instantly switched to imagining I was wearing them instead.  I noticed that I was actually remembering specifically how they physically feel on my feet.  It was pretty neat!  It wasn't something I tried to imagine remembering.  It just happened so naturally and automatically.  And I thought "Hey, that's a good tip I could tell people about.  To remember the physical feelings of specific little things like that to make the experience feel more real." 

So I started purposely focusing on little details like that in my OBE technique, like what the doorknob feels like when I put my hand on it, etc.

Great refinements, Vicky. Imagine you're finding new uses too!

So is anyone still trying to do this PE? 

I've been trying different techniques but haven't had any experiences, at least nothing that I remember.  It's been a stressful week though, since my son had surgery.  Now that that's over with and he's fine maybe I can put more effort into focusing on my efforts.

I have not specifically aimed for this PE (or attempted to contact Bruce specifically). However, I am meditating regularly again. I once again have sound assistance for my meditation practice.

In regards to specifically practicing conscious NP experiences, a few days ago I had an early morning awakening (3:00 am) and I saw an opportunity to use the WBTB method. So, I made a conscious decision to practice beyond my normal meditation and quickly set my intention for that. After this brief preparation, some breath work, and some added energy work ... my body went back to sleep and I eventually had a conscious "phased" experience. There were several figures in the experience, so I flew around and attempted to talk to several of them. A couple of them had things to say (most did not as many were unknowing and zombie-like). When I awoke, I wrote everything down.

I share this here, but I do not sense that this encounter was related to the planned PE here. I did not recognize the zombies as people that might be here. One of the figures may have been a grandparent.

I am writing this out here to share that ... I have found that a little energy work before hand can really improve my "targeting" and "clarity" in my NP experiences. In some contrast, when I use just breathing and relaxation for preparation, I end up experiencing more dream-like states ... where I am less aware and just follow the given narrative of the experience.

Vicky - Sometimes sounds can be used as nonphysical focus. I could just experiment and ask a question in my mind about that sound when it happened.. could lead to something interesting who knows. But i just decided it was only a physical distraction. Also, not everything there what calls you and sounds friendly is really friendly.

Subtle Traveler - zombie-like people could be ordinary dreamers that are stuck at that level of awareness as they use during the day. I personally would not recommend talking to them.

Soulmael wrote on Jul 27^th, 2018 at 3:20pm:


Yeah, I am familiar with the possibility of zombie-like figures being possible dreamers. However, I have found them nothing to be concerned with. You can greet them, if they approach you or are presented to you.

In phased experiences, I generally am open to communicating with others when they get face to face with me OR if I feel them specifically. In my recent experience, that is what happened with two of the personalities I talked to during the experience. They each got right in front of me, so that is when I communicated. In the experience, I was attempting to sense whether they were part of my community or not. However, there was no verification of that provided.

I also understand that just because someone is face to face with me that does not mean that they are there consciously. That has been my experience a few times. For example, last year I had an experience with someone on another forum (e.g., he has over 45 years of experiences and is very skilled), and he had no idea that we met up in the non-physical. It was kind of funny actually, because his presence and arrival were announced to me while I was sitting in this large building. When he appeared and faced me, I shook his hand and greeted him and sent him or stated my name. He was looking right at me the whole time, and so I waited for his response (which never happened). Eventually, he just kind of went somewhere else.

When I talked to him physically a few days later, he knew nothing of the experience. So, he was dreamer, but I found no harm (for either of us) in attempting to communicate with him in the NP.