Morrighan wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:53pm:


Morrighan ...

This is helpful. Thanks for continuing to expand upon this. It is giving me a feel for things here as you present your experiences and practices in nuanced language.

As some background, my first experience ever experience with a non-physical being was in the physical (as a teen). I never left my body and stayed physically focused and awake the entire time (feeling my arms around each person beside me), yet I could see the being in their light body (I was 1 of 2 people who saw). I am NOT clairvoyant. There were 80 other people at the event who apparently did not see anything but the campfire in front of us.

I started a new thread called "subtle travel" today where I am sharing my experiences. I told Vicky today that there is one experience that I would not share, because it is often seen as controversial.

However, I am going to write out that experience and share it. I am changing my mind. Listening to you today, there is something going on. When I do write it out, I would like you to read and listen to it.

Thanks again for holding forth.

Ok, I realize we have a few subjects going on here but I wanted to follow-through with what I said earlier so here is one of the shared experience I wanted to tell:   

My kids and I were on the way home from the hospital where my ex-father-in-law had just passed away.  It was 2009.  I was driving, my son (13) was in the front passenger seat, and my daughter (11) was in the back seat behind my son. 

Silently to myself I sent a message to my ex’s dad, telling him that if there was anything I could do for him to please let me know.  He and I never got along in life, but I wanted to genuinely be available to him if I could be of help because I knew he’d be surprised at what he was seeing in the afterlife.  I knew in life he probably thought I was a weirdo but now that he was dead he was probably thinking, "Oh boy, Vicky was right!"

Immediately after I sent him this message I heard a woman’s voice talking in the car.  It was right beside me on my right, so between me and my son.  At least I thought it was a woman’s voice.  It was very fast as if someone were fast-forwarding.  I was so shocked that I turned my head around and said, “What was that?”  My kids both said, “What was what?”

I asked my daughter if she was playing a radio or something on her phone and she said no.  My son asked me what I heard.  I told them I heard a woman’s voice talking very fast.  My daughter said she didn’t hear anything, but my son said, “Well I didn’t hear a woman’s voice but I heard a hissing sound.” 

I asked how he experienced it, and he said that at the same time I thought I heard a woman’s voice, he had just heard a hissing sound right between us.  My daughter said, “Well you’re both nuts because I didn’t hear a thing.”

Although I never found out what this experience was about, I know that my son and I experienced the same thing but we perceived it differently. 

I remember from my experiments with the Theta Metronome when I had the OBE where a woman was showing me how she was murdered that it began with me first asking to make contact with someone in the afterlife, then I got the sound of a buzzing and hiss, and then the hiss sound reminded me of the sound of someone talking very fast, and then I realized it was a woman’s voice.  I also remember reading about Bruce saying in his books that the hiss is the sound of many human voices all jumbled together.  And you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Robert Monroe also wrote about the hissing noise.  Isn’t that fascinating?

I found it fascinating that my son perceived the hiss and I perceived the woman’s voice, and my daughter didn't hear anything at all.  If I had not freaked out at the sound of it and if I’d realized what I was perceiving I could have focused more on it until I was able to understand what was being said.  Unfortunately I messed up the connection. 

Morrighan wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 11:02pm:


Thanks Morrighan.

I understand what you are saying about the field (a good point). I am going to come back to and review our conversation above later today.

I had a serious "curve ball" thrown at me last night by someone that I have been helping. As I engage the "new" of this forum, I am experiencing both momentum and adjustment. Overall I felt a bit wobbly before sleeping last night, and my energy was reflecting that when I posted here. I am going to take some time today to reduce my resistance (to what is) by meditating.

Thanks again.

I observe one thing humans are spectacularly good at is sustaining and maintaining self-limiting belief systems. One may even reorient oneself as to view limiting belief systems as another belief system territory. It is overwhelmingly populated by humans. I've not specifically noticed our animal friends to hold self-limiting beliefs except when they learn it from humans.

humor --> It is even possible to imagine the belief systems territory of self-limiting beliefs as a sort of human gated community <--- humor

One self-limiting belief is that of some inability to function beyond our humanness. I've spoken here before of Both / And, and this is an operative function of our embodied experiences.

What I see in Vicky's tale (and thank you for posting) is her demonstrated ability  to - shall we say - "tune in" to non-physical experiences. That is coupled with her stated desire to verify, and to look to others for that verification. All of which is neither here nor there, for it's a very human thing. Bruce was moved enough by it to pen Voyage Beyond Doubt. He had to work to overcome the objections of his engineer's mind.

One exercise that helps us move beyond doubt is to see what we bring into the present with what we write. This helps us see what we are actually present to. And Vicky and I are already holding this conversation, for she knows exactly what .... what I am seeing in this moment are two cardinals, bright against the December forest floor.

This is what we do to bring what is proper into the focus of our consciousness. To observe the cardinals and the December foliage as One, without distinction.

None of the preceding is intended to be a criticism of any. It is what we (those I work with) call an observing. The only verification required is to see for yourself  Oh, and happy Solstice to you as we're still in that window:http://mailchi.mp/9555f48455ff/stillness?e=85b4cc6b9b

Subtle Traveler wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 10:08am:


Subtle Traveler,

Thanks!  My kids have been accustomed to the paranormal their whole lives so we do have some interesting conversations, LOL. 

I don't try to be hard on myself, but it's more that I get disappointed with a missed opportunity.  As Withinn pointed out, I can always try to re-enter that area of consciousness by asking for understanding.  I think that's a great idea.  It certainly can't hurt.

PS--As far as I'm concerned, there is no thread drift going on here.  This is how normal conversations take place, one thing leading to another creating engaging and entertaining conversation.  I thank you all for being such great participants on this conversation board!

Hai Vicky,

It's quite true in every literal sense I language things differently now than when we met all those years ago. What I trust is clear is you show yourself your own journey beyond doubt as you share your experiences.

Uno wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2017 at 1:35am:


Hi Uno,

I made that statement for myself, not as something I'm giving or teaching so it wasn't open for debate.  But for me to try to explain to you what I myself mean by it, I can say that the technique itself is not meant as a divining tool to tell me what to do or tell me what's right.  It is meant for me to be open to feeling and sensing my own guidance system.  Does that make more sense now? 

Here's an exaggerated example.  If I were driving and were lost, and I said, "I wonder if I should turn down this road."  There's no right or wrong or true or false to that question.  I could turn down a dozen wrong roads and still find my destination eventually.  But if I sense that I should, or if I sense that I shouldn't, I really still don't know the reason why, but listening to it is something I can learn to rely on, develop, and use. 

Having a sense of my connection with my own intuition and guidance is what's at the heart of what's important.  For what I think may be true or false may not actually be the case.  What if I get the sense to drive down the wrong road, the road that doesn't lead me to the place I'm looking for, but instead it leads me to something else that I need but wasn't aware I needed?  That is the truer way to be open to your guidance, when you're willing to accept that you don't have to be in control of the reasons in which you're guided. 

That's just my opinion by the way.  I'm not making a blanket statement for everybody.