When the Creator changed within Itself, and out of It's essence and being, created many different, unique, freewilled, self aware individuals from within Itself, the original version of these individuals was our first, original Spirit self. 

  You could say that this original Spirit self of ours, was the beginnings of our "Disk" that Bruce talks about. 

   It seems clear that this original Spirit self, had it's own experiences before it came upon the plan/idea of pulling a microcosmic act of it's Source, and creating from within itself, many different, unique, freewilled, self aware individuals. 

   Ok, and clearly it seems that our first, original Spirit self, once it reaches a certain maturity and awareness, decides to kind of stay more outside of the physical dimension and send other aspects of itself, it's various connected "Souls" to experience the physical and other dimensions instead. 

  My question is, which literally just popped into my mind a few minutes or so ago--does this original Spirit self, ever decide to directly incarnate even after being kind of detached from the whole process for a long time? 

  If so, what would such a human tend to look and act like?  The original Spirit self, would have a much stronger recollection of all it's accumulated experience, wisdom, Love, etc most likely, wouldn't it?

  I've wondered if a Disk (the original Spirit self with it's collective of Soul selves) is nearing completion, meaning all of it's various selves are nearly all retrieved and are attuning consciously to PUL, perhaps the original Spirit self will decide for one last direct dive in, to try to complete itself (aka full conscious attunement to PUL)? 

   Was Yeshua the incarnation of his Disk's original, Spirit self? 

  Anybody out there whom has received information about any of these possible patterns, questions, and/or issues?   Yes, yes, I know, I should go within and contact the purely Creative Forces to really know, but I do sometimes like listening to other people's perceptions and experiences too.

 

If Disks exist, I believe it isn't surprising that the Bible doesn't speak of such things.

Even if Jesus knew about them, he probably figured that there wouldn't be much of a point in speaking to the masses about them.

Recoverer 2 wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 5:18pm:


   There seems to be some suggestive evidence that speaks indirectly, but powerfully to both literal, direct reincarnation and the larger Spirit/Disk self kind of incarnating in the Bible. 

  For example, in the NT, John the Baptist is asked if he is Elijah reborn.  He says no. Later, after he was beheaded, some people brought up the prophecies of Elijah coming again before the day of the Lord etc, and Yeshua says that he did come, and people mistreated him, as they will him also.  Then the disciples knew that Yeshua was speaking of John the Baptist. 

   John was a pretty spiritually aware and intune guy.  Not to the degree that Yeshua was, but definitely way more than the average.  At least two of his disciples, later became Yeshua's disciples. 

It's logical to assume, that John had some awareness of his spiritual history/past.  He was answering honestly and correctly, when he answered that he was not literally Elijah reborn. 

  Yet, Yeshua says that Elijah and John were connected. It's quite logical to assume that Elijah and John were different Souls, part of the same larger Spirit, who came with a similar purpose and intent. It fulfills both what John and Yeshua said.

   Between ancient Jewish and early Christian sects around Yeshua's time period and a little after, there were a number of sects that very much believed in at least reincarnation of a Soul.  Even the Pharisees of Yeshua's time, had this belief more collectively.  Then, you also have the Essenes who seemed to have this belief. 

  In the Dead Sea scrolls, there are references to reincarnation, especially in the sense of important, prophetic figures like Melchizedek.  If I'm remembering correctly, there is at least one D.S.S. scroll that speaks prophetically, to Melchizedek being later reborn as the Messiah.

  Interestingly, Cayce's guidance says that both Enoch and Melchizedek are part of the same Spirit that Yeshua is (as well as a number of other important leader/prophet persons referenced in the Bible, such as Ur/Adam, Joseph, Joshua).

  Interesting link somewhat related to the above, from a Jewish perspective:
http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/qumran/melchizedek-dss.html

   Course, to folks like Don and Rondele, Cayce is a deluded, demonically influenced fraud type, or something similar.   

Which is why, literally hundreds of books have been written that reference Cayce's work and/or life, and there are at least some 30 biographical focused and type books written about his life and work (none, btw, true autobiographies). Last I heard, from some folk's research into the Library of Congress, Edgar Cayce is the most written about modern human subject there is. (if considering ancient as well as modern references, then Jesus would be the most written about human there is). 

Because it's so obviously fraudulent and worthless.    

 

  Lol, I wasn't saying you were completely heartless.  I don't know and haven't even met too many people that are completely heartless.  People that are completely heartless and lacking in all refined and deeper emotions, are often also psychopathic, and that's only about 1% of the population, at least according to some who research that subject. I don't think you're a psychopath.   

    A little off topic... I don't know if you remember or not, about about a year ago, I mentioned to you publicly that I got the strong sense that you were either a cop or federal agent of some kind, or retired from same.

  You fairly recently wrote this, "Before I retired I was an Office Director in a large DC federal agency. Three Division Directors with employees totaling about 130 reporting to them and the DDs in turn reporting to me. "  Excerpted from reply 20 on the following thread:
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1493322563/20#20

   I said what I said a year ago, knowing very little consciously about you in a personal way (your typical interaction here is consistently very secretive, I've noticed--I'm actually surprised you shared the above). You hadn't ever mentioned the above before on this forum until then. 

    Would you consider this an intuitive hit at all? 

  Maybe we're not all deluded, mentally ill, fraudster New Age Ghetto dwellers here? 

  Because, another intuitive insight I have had about you, is that secretly, you really look down upon/are very judgmental towards the majority of people here and, aren't always very sincere and direct about your true feelings and/or thoughts.   

Dude:

Your Disk is probably cringing right now.

I figure that a lot of sensible people don't believe that Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen were fooled by demons.

NDErs Thomas Sawyer, PHM Atwater  and Ron Krueger experienced their souls in a disk-like way. I doubt that they were fooled by demons.

When I've had experiences with my Disk I didn't feel as if I was in contact with demon-like beings, and I know what such beings feel like.

Some channeled sources speak of God, Jesus and demons. Does this de-validate the existence of such things? If not, then perhaps the higher self viewpoint also doesn't get de-validated simply because some channeled sources speak of them. Perhaps misleading channeled sources sometimes speak of things that actually exist, as they attempt to mislead.

Back to your disk cringing, all joking aside, it could be that your disk has some fundamentalist past-life tendencies to take care of,  and understood that you might go through what you are going through now. Even though I didn't become a full blown fundamentalist during this lifetime, I had such tendencies to deal with during this lifetime, and it was a big time relief to become free of them. Doing so didn't cause me to become possessed by demons, or to lose favor with God. I figure that God understands quite clearly why I sought such freedom.

 

Justin:

Regarding some of what you just wrote, it could be that fundamentalism is partly the result of negative influences. After all, fundamentalist at times portrays God and Jesus in a way that doesn't represent love and wisdom.

It makes people so afraid of what's out there, that it becomes difficult for them to expand their consciousness.  If you want to become aware of the oneness that exists within God's greater being, you can't be afraid of becoming aware of what exists within such being.

  Albert, I was writing my last post when you wrote your last reply.  I didn't see yours because of that, but yes, I address this in depth as you will see. 

I Am Dude wrote on May 11^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:


  I take Yeshua's teachings very seriously Vince. So seriously, that I have much of the NT memorized, though not by specific chapter and verse in number sense. 

   This is from the NT.  It seems that Yeshua taught differently than what you believe and teach. 

  From John 10:

"31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

"34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’ ? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37"

Yeshua here was referring to OT scripture, which indeed does say that you/we plural are gods.  We were made in the image of the original Creator(s), meaning, we are of the same essence and exist within the same Consciousness.  We are parts/aspects of God, and as parts, have similar creative potential and awareness.  When we transform our selfish, separative, fear self created aspects, and lose our little will in Love and in the Will of the Creator, then do we, like Yeshua, come to truly know our Sonship eternal, our Divine heritage and inheritance.   

   Very clearly Vince, Yeshua himself believes that all of us are potential gods, or he would not have said the above or used that scripture. 

  Here is an excerpt from a Cayce reading which touches on this too:
"For when ye have set a vibration by the activity of thy SOUL'S force, ye are then either in parallel, in direct accord, or in opposition to constructive force - whatever may be the position or activity of the soul in infinity. For ye ARE gods! But [are] you are becoming devils or real gods![?]" excerpted from Reading 281-30  []=my inserts.

In the above, Cayce's guidance is referencing to both Yeshua's NT teaching and to the OT scripture that Yeshua quoted in his rebuke of the Pharisees. 

   With all the above said, though we can become One with God, we are never The God in a total sense. We can partake in the full awareness and creative potential of God when we consciously realize and built up our Oneness with God and the Whole, but The God, is still The God, as the original, prime Creator has retained It's own individuality, just as we keep our own individuality and sense of self. 

  A much better term than "gods", imo, is that of "Co-Creators" because it's more balanced and humble, and implies that of ourselves, alone, we can do nothing, but when fully connected to the Whole and to our Creator, then we can partake in the Creator's grand Creative process. 

  Indeed, Yeshua has told me that he is and has long been a Co-Creator, grown up child of God, and that now, there are many, many Co-Creator, fully grown up children of God involved in co-creating new and unique Universes. 

   We too, can grow up someday and partake in this consciously. 

  But it won't happen until we become a completely clear channel of PUL and bring our little will into full alignment with the Will of the purely Creative Forces. 

  So Vince, do you claim to know better than Yeshua?  Or was that NT scripture put in by Demons?  These are hard questions and implications that you need to face openly and  honestly.