The OP mentioned being involved in an exercise of expanding beyond the solar system, and conceivably having some experiences with an E.T. group.

This possible E.T. group told him they were Creators, and humans were like ants to them.

  This, among other things the OP said (experiences with dragons etc), rung red flags to Albert's and mine intuition. 

  After a long time of not talking much about negative E.T.'s here i decided to go into it again, because i thought it might be related to his experience.

   Because you haven't received info about it, you do not consider it an important topic or issue. Heck, you don't even think it's real it seems.  That "spiritual course" you use to recommend, did a good job programming your subconscious to not see/perceive more harmful/deceptive etc influences spiritually.

  But, big picture speaking, expanded guidance does consider it an important issue for humanity.  However, they are not going to be giving this information more directly to a bunch of people, because most can't handle it in a constructive manner.

   So that leaves those who can and do get info about it to talk about in hopes of raising awareness, and frankly Bruce, it's a sucky assignment.  It's much more pleasant, socially acceptable, and socially advantageous to talk about experiences with friendly ET's, PUL, retrievals, Planning Intelligence, and all of that feel good stuff. 

   I should not have gotten into the personal stuff with 1796 here though, and really, i was going to erase some of those posts.

  I'm not going to discuss the E.T. anymore here on this thread anyways. Most everything pertinent that could be said, has already been said.

But for the record, i very much disagree with your take on the whole issue of that above topic.

Justin:

It looks like you and I wrote our last posts at about the same time. I don't believe that either of us is over anxious to speak about unfriendly aliens, because some people will contend that we are having interpreter problems. In a way this is odd, because even Robert Monroe wrote about unfriendly influences in his book "Ultimate Journey." His I-there told him that such influences (some of which are non-human) have been involved with the human race pretty much since the human race has been around. It is interesting that people don't get curious about this. I'm glad the editor of Ultimate Journey didn't decide to leave that portion out.

recoverer wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 12:13pm:


I would suggest we discuss those ETs here.

Bruce

  One point, on the other thread you mention interpreter overlay, seemingly suggesting that those who have received information about this, didn't actually receive info about it but preconceived beliefs, fears, or what not distorted it into negative E.T.'s.

   Most of the overt messages that my spouse and i have received about this issue, have been in the form of dream messages.   The majority of these have been very clear and straightforward.

   Interpreter overlay is most potentially an issue when it comes the personality consciously seeking or being given information while more fully conscious.

The reason why Edgar Cayce was so good at getting such holistic, accurate, and constructive info as a trend, was because his personality self was very submerged during his readings.  He almost never was conscious of the info coming through him, and he usually went into a very deep, sleep like meditative state. 

  In a sense, it was more akin to dreaming as far as "interpreter overlay" goes (but very slightly more conscious of the physical than dreaming). If his personality self, which relates to that interpreter overlay part of us, was more involved with the process, his info would have been more distorted, less accurate, and less constructive as a trend.

     Do you see where i'm getting with this?  Multiple dreams with clear and straightforward symbolism is not coming from that personality, left brain, interpreter overlayer part of ourselves. 

  It is true that this part of us can misinterpret dreams at times and to some degree, but this is also why guidance also sometimes involves things like synchronicity to confirm the messages. 



   

   

  Hi Albert,

  I think it's possible that there could be some slip through the cracks attacks before the full invasion, but yes, my very strong intuitive sense is that the positive, Love based E.T.'s will not allow a full on attack until we are more prepared to defend ourselves and deal with it.

    Re: more people not talking about this subject:

  Besides the possible reasons i mentioned earlier, another reason may be due to the long term evolution of the general New Age movement.  It, and many sources in same, has had a strong trend of ignoring and/or discounting the shadow side of reality. 

   It's become about "Love and Light" in mostly just a feel good way. Everything is perfect, everything is beautiful, there's nothing to worry about except fear, etc, etc.

    Perhaps it's not just "Interpreter Overlay" and my personality/ego and interpreter side distorting it all due to preconceived beliefs, fear, etc?  Maybe part of why i came here in the first place, was to raise awareness of this issue?  Who better to warn humans about a negative ET group than someone who has spent a lot of time among non humans just prior to this life?   

  I understand what you're saying Albert. 

There seems to be a severe lack of well known and respected spiritual sources that talk about these issues.

  Some of them even make fun of it.  I saw a video with Paul Elder and he made fun of the Reptilian thing.  Yet, i like Paul Elder and think he is most likely a helper.

  If more people like Bruce Moen decided to figure out the truth of it, and spoke out about such issues, then more people would become open minded to the whole thing.  As i don't know a lot of other people in that area or capacity, i have to speak to the ones i do know, like Bruce Moen.

  Why else did the figure in your guidance message say, "She said in a very concerned way that an invasion might take place. She asked if there is anybody who is concerned enough to do something about it."

  Doesn't this imply that there is a lack of people, particularly in the sense of more credible or respected sources speaking about such things?

  Most here don't take me seriously anyways, let alone like or respect me Albert, so i'm not worried about ruining any social image. Truth is truth, whatever others think of it.  The only thing i should be concerned of, is it coming out of ego based intentions, and i wasn't in this case.

  Did Jesus or even John the Baptist go around thinking all the time, well maybe i shouldn't be trying to teach people, and who am i to say i'm an example to follow, etc. 

  If they had been more concerned with being liked, with social image, with being thought humble, etc, etc they would never had lived the life they lived. 

  Someone looking at Jesus or John from a purely psychological and skeptical side might surmise that especially Jesus and John to a lesser extent were megalomaniacs whom had severe delusions in general and especially of self grandeur. 

   Yet, you and i know that they were truly humble, and spoke truth. 

  Anyways, all i want people to do, is to seek guidance on this issue under more ideal conditions.  I don't expect nor want them to take my word for it. 

  I feel frustrated about this issue, because it seems like people won't even do that.  That dream that i had about a possible future was pretty upsetting.  While i don't think it's a probability, i think the more people who speak out (especially those with clout and influence), the less and less possible such a negative future becomes. 

  Remember, i had that dream specifically in relation to asking guidance if i should go more into this whole thing with Bruce Moen.  Perhaps he does have something to to do with lessening the possibility? 

   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZY8jUuEzJQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXjviLBYrS8

  Albert, you're probably right about Bruce, and yes, i'm considering i've over stepped the line from nudging to being overly pushy.  I've been nudged by guidance at times, but it's important to not be pushy about things.  And yes, you're right, i do have positive views of him and also think he is a mature Soul, which is part of the reason why i'm frustrated--part of me feels like he should already be aware of or at the very least, open minded to this issue.

   I'm going to edit some of my other posts.

  As an aside, this whole issue feels like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.  Guidance asks us to try to raise awareness about a difficult issue they and we think is important, but most people don't even want to hear about it, let alone deeply consider the possibility.

  I'm finding the balance between caring and being detached hard to strike. 

Justin & recoverer:

Not to sound critical, I want to be open to deeper understanding, but......

perhaps the reason people seem to "not care" is that the subject matter is just too "out there". For me, the whole concept defies common sense. Many questions would have to be addressed before things like this would even begin to resonate.

For example: What are these beings, physical or nonphysical, body or spirit? Are they OBEing or astral traveling to get here? Are they "dead"?  I understand the "reptillians" are supposedly from Alpha Draconis (Thuban) which is 300 light years away. No practical way to get from there to here, according to the laws of physics. Not happening. If they've found some way to master interstellar space travel, we would be as ants to them. They wouldn't need a war to take over Earth, they would just do it. And why are they so interested in Earth anyway? To me that kind of seems like another version of earth-centric cosmology. Why are we so special that all these ETs are hanging around? The Grays are supposedly from Zeta Reticuli which is closer, but at 40 light years away still presents the same logical difficulties. Why are they wasting their tax dollars lurking around here? And if they are OBEing or whatever to get here, if you see them "in spirit" why do they need spaceships?

Then you have the issue of how very statistically unlikely it would be for all these humanoid forms to actually evolve to look so similar to us.

And I haven't even touched on all the Archons, Sirians, and all the other intrigue going on.

I grant you there is some weird stuff going on with UFOs etc. But even the UFO sightings aren't consistent. Saucers, flashing lights, cylinders, whatever. You'd think an advanced civilization would stick to one or two most efficient designs for interstellar travel.

Its just not coherent. One thing I decided when I "dropped" fundamentalism was that if i'm going to subscribe to something it needs to add up. I don't need to understand everything, but what I do get needs to make sense intrinsically and at least line up with and not contradict physical science. You need to present something more than just whats "intuited"  Right now, the whole ET scenario seems like a major rabbit hole.

Hope thats not too blunt. I'm not wanting to be abrasive, only clear. If I thought everything was hogwash, obviously I wouldn't be here. 

Hello Doodad:

Your post didn't seem abrasive to me. There was a time I used to think that it's a good thing that other planets are so far away, because the people of the planet Earth have enough problems getting along with themselves, no need to bring aliens into the picture.

I don't know to what extent the Aliens I speak of are physical or non-physical. In the end it is all energy, the physical universe was created by that which is nonphysical, so perhaps there is a way where some beings can be a mixture of physical and nonphysical.

That might partly answer how they deal with the speed of light issue.

The UFO factor, I haven't researched it in great depth, so I didn't consider this when I came to my conclusions.

It is more of a matter of trusting the beings who communicate with me. I've communicated with them so much with positive results, it makes sense to trust them. I don't know why they would provide me with information about aliens that is false.

Plus, I've had a few experiences with aliens, and at the time it didn't seem as if my imagination was fooling me.  Even though I was awake at the time, I didn't perceive these aliens in the same way that I perceive physical people. Some of these aliens seemed to be friendly. On one occasion, I wrote about it on BillB's TMI lifeline thread, I was in contact with unfriendly aliens, and I was able to telepathically perceive their nature and intent which was negative.

There is a lot of questionable information out there, but some of it seems trustworthy, and some people speak of experiences with Alien beings including Reptilians in a way that I consider believable. Going by the information I received I don't know if the unfriendly Aliens I received information about are Reptilian. I've received a small amount of information about Reptilians, but my memory of this isn't complete, and based on the information I received, I'm not ready to come to a definite conclusion about the Reptilian factor.

Some of the things I read about abductions makes it seem as if abductions have taken place.

Plus, there are occurrences within World history that suggest that aliens might've visited this planet.

I thought of something else when it comes to abductions. One night I watched the movie Communion which is about Whitley Streiber who claims to have been abducted.

Later that night I received some information that very strongly made the point that some people have been abducted by unfriendly aliens. Some might say that my mind responded to what I saw during a movie. Since at this point in my life I had already received a lot of information through nonphysical means, I was able to tell whether my imagination was playing tricks on me, and in this case I don't believe it was.

When it comes to such trickery, the same possibility can take place while interacting with this physical World. The possibility exists that a person's mind might be playing tricks on him. One can make certain this isn't the case, by seeing how all the dots connect. Is there evidence that shows that somebody is experiencing something factual rather than imagined? The same approach applies when one interacts with nonphysical reality.

Justin said: Later on when we were both more open minded to the concept, she had a dream about her mom.  Her mom is one of those right wing, conservative religious Christians whom is filled with hate, materialism, selfishness, and intolerance, and just is not a very happy person.  Anyways, in the dream, she saw her mom praying to "God", but instead of connecting to God, she saw her connect to the Reptilian group whom were influencing her. 

Recoverer responds: One might ask, what kind of being would want to collect worship energy? I feel strongly that a being who understands about unconditional love and Oneness wouldn't want to collect worship energy. Only a narcissus would be interested in such a thing.

Doodad:

It wouldn't make sense for you or anyone else to conclude that unfriendly aliens make contact with this World, simply because two people on this forum say so. I wouldn't want anybody to simply take my Word for it. I can't say that I am one hundred percent certain of what I figured out.  If a person has interest, they should probably do additional research. If they aren't, that is okay. 

doodad wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

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I've never talked about such experiences because I've never had such experiences.

I've been actively exploring beyond physical reality since 1991.  In all that time I've never, personally, encountered anything or anyone I would call a real threat to me.

I have encountered beings I thought at the time were a real threat to me, but they ALWAYS turned out to be just my own fears, beliefs and expectations of such threats taking form.  The most difficult beings I've encountered have been deceased humans who for one reason or another attempted to appear or be threatening.

Since I've never encountered these unfriendly or harmful aliens you talk about I have no evidence that they exist.  And, for the same reason I also don't have any evidence that they do not exist.  All I am left with is opinion and conjecture, and for me that is of little value when exploring such issues.

Have you ever had direct experience of contact with such beings?

I don't understand the motive these unfriendly aliens could have in keeping humans spiritually stuck?

Bruce

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   I will explain some of this now that i've addressed some of the other issues.

  Very much related to this, is a vivid, clear dream that Becky had before we thought about or accepted the concept of a negative, reptilian like E.T. group.

   The dream was about my last in-physical dive in ancient Egypt. She saw me as a spiritual teacher and holistic healer type who was friends with a man she for some reason got the label of "Thoth" in connection to.  Thoth was a friend, co-worker, and ultimately a spiritual teacher/counselor to my past life self.

  She saw what looked like upright, relatively human sized, intelligent "dinosaur" like Beings that she strongly perceived didn't like what i was doing in trying to help people spiritually grow.  So they focused collectively on me and focused on injecting negative energy into me.  She saw that it started to have a negative effect.  Longer story shorter, my friend/teacher Thoth helped me to deal with this outside interference.  (i believe that this Thoth person, was an earlier probe projection from the same Disk that "Jesus" was projected from).

  In this life:  I started meditating at a young age (13) before i had enough wisdom, knowledge, discernment, internal balance and positivity to do so in a more purely constructive manner.

  In other words, i overly opened myself up, and i was already sensitive. 

  This combined with some difficult/challenging aspects of my childhood, having an imbalanced body, and now looking back having opened myself up prematurely, i experienced deep, deep suicidal depression. 

  For about 7 years or so, i didn't want to be here, and looking back, i think what made it so hard to get out of this, was that i was having this group focus on me, eggging me on.  I did sincerely try to leave this world at one point, and it's a minor miracle that i'm still here. 

   Later on, when i asked for Divine protection and guidance, it felt like a weight had been lifted off me.  I also dedicated myself to service to others and to growing in PUL like love, with Yeshua (Jesus) as my template or example.  I also started to eat much better and more healthily

   Everything in my life positively changed rapidly after that. Neither suicide nor depression has been an issue since.

  I see some parallel with that past life that Becky saw in her dream about me, where i was being focused on by this negative, but powerful E.T. group and what happened in this life.  I'm the direct reincarnation of that fellow, whom after he finished what he was meant to do, went up with a positive E.T. group and became one of them. 

   I had a repeating dream when i was a child, where i was traveling in a spaceship from somewhere else to Earth, with a strong feeling of a sense of purpose.  The sensitive we both know, Linn, later referred to me as a "Star child", which at the time didn't make any sense to me (but later with a lot more messages did). 

   I think part of what i came here to do, was to try to help raise awareness of this hindering group, so that we can detach ourselves from their influence so that we CAN  rapidly expand our collective consciousness. 

   If we stop listening to or being influenced by them, especially our various leaders and movers and shakers, then i think we can heal more efficently and rapidly.  They won't like this, and as McKnight's guidance outlined, they may eventually be allowed to directly physically attack us. 

  This is in "Cosmic Journey's".  Rosie was very much in touch with Expanded guidance, and tended to receive rather clear, holistic, deep, and accurate info for the most part. Bob was rather impressed with "Ah So" and her guidance team, it seems. 

   Why would they share such information if it didn't have importance or validity? 

Say a person recently lost a loved one and is grieving deeply. Such a person has an after death communication experience with this loved one. Some might say that rather than an actual ADC taking place, such a person's grief caused that person to create such an experience. I figure either possibility is true. One needs to figure out what precisely took place in order to know which possibility is true. If it is possible to determine with a fair amount of certainty whether an ADC actually took place, perhaps the same is true with unfriendly being experiences.

I once had this lucid dream. I was standing in front of a building I used to work in. It could be that this building was chosen because it has a futuristic look, a pond in front of it (I'll explain about this later), and a boss who sometimes was used as a symbol for Christ level consciousness had an association with the building.

I looked to my left and the energy (but not what was physically there) of the "entire" panorama moved towards me, and as I felt the energy move through me, I experienced the entire World transform to a higher level of consciousness.  The level of peace, happiness and love was wonderful.

An interesting factor, I used to think, even if Earth changes take place on energetic level, what about all of the physical problems that exist in this World (pollution, nuclear wastes etc.). In this experience all of that had also been transformed. I had a knowing this was so.

Next I looked at sharks that were in the pond I spoke of above. For me, sharks are a symbol for negative beings. The feeling I got is that if this World transforms to a higher level of being too soon, negative entities will be energetically repelled and retrievers in this World won't be able to help them ascend to a higher level of being. Therefore, ascension needs to be delayed.  Since I help retrieve lower level beings, this seemed meaningful to me.

Regarding negative alien motive, it could be that they like to syphon energy from people (fear, anger, hate, lust, worship).

Bruce:

When it comes to interpreter overlay, consider this example.

I didn't know about retrievals until I read what you wrote about them. While meditating I would have these experiences where I would see an image of a person who was distressed in some way, their image would go away, I'd imagine myself helping them, and then suddenly I would be involved in a scene where I was helping them.

Even though these experiences would include details for which it was hard to believe were the result of my imagination, I doubted that I was actually helping someone. After all, I had read about retrievals and my imagination might've been effected accordingly.

One day while meditating I asked for confirmation about doing retrievals. I was shown the cover of Robert Monroe's book Far Journeys. I had yet to read it. The book opened to what felt like page 145, and I saw page 146. I got a copy of the book and saw that page 145 is the first page of a chapter called "Rescue Mission." In Far Journeys, the first page of each book doesn't have a page number. This is why I felt the page number, rather than saw it. I saw 146 because this number actually exists. As far as I know, Rescue Mission is the  first chapter where Robert wrote about doing a retrieval. I don't see how my subconscious mind could've imagined something it didn't know about.

If we put ourselves in the position where we can't validate an experience because interpreter overlay might always mislead us, we might put ourselves in quite a pickle.

It could be that some people don't become aware of the existence of negative beings because their subconscious prevents them from doing so. I was quite resistant to doing so right away. There were occasions when I would be with a guide in a nonphysical state, and I would be shown a door that was partly open. I could tell that I was being asked whether I want to become aware of something on the other side of the door that I'm afraid to become aware of. Since I could tell that I was with a guide who didn't have the same subconscious limitations that I have, I believe it is safe for me to surmise that I was presented with knowledge that was beyond how my subconscious mind limits me.

I must say that there have been occasions when the door method was used to reveal things I was afraid of that I didn't need to be afraid of, sometimes because they don't exist in the way that I imagined. I've put a lot of effort into trying to determine whether I'm being presented with information that is factual, rather than a projection of my subconscious. There could be occasions when I've analyzed the data in a false way.

Justin:

I have to say, despite the efforts I made, I can't say I have a pony in this race.  People should find out about unfriendly ETs only if they want to.  As already stated, this subject started after you and I read what BillB had to say about some of the beings he met.

I don't mean to imply that I don't care. I appreciate that Bruce started this thread. ET issue aside, it brings up the subject of the interpreter issue. My feeling is that even though we want to take care that our psychological conditioning doesn't get the best of us, we shouldn't place ourselves in a box where we can't figure anything out because supposedly, we can never be certain about anything.

I have a friend like this, no matter what I tell him about my spiritual experiences, he doubts. He has a mental state where he won't allow himself to gather all of the data and figure out what the most reasonable conclusion is. Or in other words, he starts with the premise that nothing can be figured out for certain, so there is no point in trying.

Bruce:

In the first paragraph you wrote it seems as if you are saying that the book came from my subconscious memories. In the third paragraph you state differently. To be clear, I hadn't seen the specific pages I referred to before they and the book were shown to me. The fact of feeling page 145 rather than seeing it is a very pertinent detail.

You know those instances when you received PUL from the Planning Intelligence and others? In those cases information was being passed on to you by a being other than yourself. In my experience, when beings pass on information to me, they aren't limited. They might be limited to the extent that they need to consider what I'll understand and be open to receiving. They consider what kind of memories I have in place.

The images of the book I saw came from such a being.  On a number of occasions they have provided me with information I didn't know about at all that I was able to verify later. In a way, I might've received some of this information from my subconscious self, if by subconscious self one means higher self. However, I don't believe my higher self has the same limitations as my subconscious self.

The first time I became aware of my Disk was after three back to back dreams. These dreams were created in such a sophisticated way that by the time the third was about to end, it became very clear that they were created by an intelligence beyond my own, including my subconscious. I woke up in an expanded state and was in contact with my I-there. I thought of it as an I-there rather than disk because I hadn't read any of your books at the time.

For much of what I've experienced, I've made a point of being very methodical about validating what I experienced. I wanted to make certain that my intellect didn't have any doubts. Especially when it comes to whether I received some information from spirit beings rather than my subconscious mind (funny, one of them just said something with a noise that is hard to describe).

This process helps, but what matters the most is what I feel.  Some people speak of connecting to their higher self via head areas, but I believe our heart area is important. This reminds me of when you say we are connected to our Disk via our back. The knowledge that has been most meaningful to me seems to include a connection to universal knowledge and PUL. This knowledge probably relates to the intuition Justin speaks of. We have ways to understand that are beyond our intellect and psychological conditioning. This is a part of what enables us to go beyond our psychological conditioning.

Albert

Hello BillB:

When it comes to your TMI thread, I didn't analyze everything you said thoroughly enough to come to a definite conclusion about you contacting unfriendly ETs. The ant part didn't stand out to me. What stood out to me was the emotionless beings.  Since I had an encounter with empathy lacking ETs that seemed to have an insidious agenda, I wondered if the same """might""" be true with the emotion lacking beings you encountered. I was trying to be helpful.

What is the purpose of this thread? Going by how it has played out, I suppose its purpose is to see whether it is possible to become aware of the existence of unfriendly ETs that interact with this Earth, without being a deluded person. This is what I look like. 

BillB wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

Here are some questions - and proposed answers, without explanation:
1. Are there such beings as interplanetary and interdimensional aliens? Probably.
2. Have they previously or currently been to Earth? Probably.
3. Is there a race of evil reptilian aliens trying to detrimentally influence the minds and spiritual development of humanity and take over control of the Earth?  No. But there is an explanation.


And by the way, regarding:
recoverer wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 11:43pm:


A few days ago after I asked Justin how he can see people's auras and how he knows that reptilian aliens are trying to detrimentally influence the minds and spiritual development of humanity, you two put up a page of posts gossiping about me, saying I am a right wing extremist, materialist, Christian hypocrite, full of hate, conservative, intolerant of homosexuals, generally a bad person, and don't even understand my own religion or I would believe in reptilian aliens because they are in the bible, etc, etc., and Justin saying Jesus had given him a message for me that I was spiritually off track and Jesus was angry with me saying I should "Wake up dude". All of which I found quite funny and had a good chuckle at some of it.

Then either yourselves or the moderator deleted it all.

And now in response to me putting up two links to the Jungle Book cartoon (Reply #13) you two grown men play the victims, suggesting I'm not loving my neighbour and that my putting up those links to a cartoon is bullying you, and you show a link about how internet bullies drive school girls to depression and suicide by sending texts like, “You’re so annoying”, and, “Get a life”.

The purveyors of vulnerability and victimhood are the cause of the high rates of depression and suicide.   

I take a dim view of those who play the victim and who spread the sickness of victimhood. They are the real problem.


And yes, I was having fun just for the fun of it. When I saw this thread continuing about reptilian invaders influencing humans, I naturally put up the links in reply #13 to scenes from the Jungle Book cartoon because it is funny and relevant to the subject matter. I love the Jungle Book cartoon; it is a genuine work of art, and when I read or hear anyone talk about reptilian aliens hypnotising people I am always reminded of the snake Kaa hypnotising Mowgli the jungle boy and trying to hypnotise Shere Khan the tiger but with less success. On the same cartoon I also love The Bare Necessities and The King of the Swingers. If a reader appreciates well drawn animation and happy jazz then do look them up on you tube.

recoverer wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

recoverer,

The "aliens" I called 2ndGathGroup in my 3rd and 4th books were a variety with a complete lack of experience or knowledge of emotion.  It turned out the evolution of their form of consciousness required the inability to feel or express emotional energies of any kind.  As a telepathic race an irrational, emotional outburst by one would be felt and experienced by every member of their race simultaneously.  It would be impossible for them to exist as a coherent form of consciousness.  Their evolutionary adaption was to never develop emotional experience within their form of consciousness.  It wasn't an "insidious agenda," just part of their chosen path in the evolution of their "telepathic" form of consciousness.  At least that's my opinion, based on what I've come to believe about them from experiences exploring their form of consciousness so far.

Like I said earlier, I've never encountered any beings that were an actual threat to me.  And the few times I actually thought I was threatened it turn out to be my own "stuff" projected onto others and reflected back to me.

Glad we made this a separate threat, I am enjoying the conversations and focusing on the issue of harmful or unfriendly aliens.  Still haven't met any of those kind yet. 

Sorry for the loss of a few of the posts.  Some violated Posting Guidelines or were just too far off topic and were deleted without notice.  Unfortunately I think a few babies went out with the bath water :d(

Thanks for continuing to post here, I'm enjoying this ride,

Bruce

  Well Bruce, i gotta say, you've done a great job in reducing the vastness and relativity of all of the larger reality to a pretty simple black and white one.  In this entire simply vast reality, there is not a single group of entities out there with malevolent intentions towards, or whom have the ability to influence many (but not all) humans towards the limiting. None except those pesky former meanie humans and they can't do the latter.

  Cayce, McKnight, Monroe, Cambpell, and various other reputable sources must all be smoking some good stuff since they do talk about such things.

   I mean, when i've deliberately asked to connect only to and receive help from only the most expanded Guidance and asked this level about this issue with open minded, but definite skepticism, and not just myself, but my wife, a friend, and i have been told in various ways that there is such a group involved with humans, well we all also must be smoking that good stuff to.

   When you or others do likewise, and don't just wait for them to show up on your door step and introduce themselves, then we can have a serious conversation about this issue.

If people understood about the holistic nature of warfare, then it remains in their advantage to stay as hidden and secretive as possible, and particularly not to become obviously involved with humans that are too conscious to not be manipulated or have their conscious memories tampered with.

  They are not going to introduce themselves to folks like you and say, "hey Bruce, we are some negative ET's that seek to keep humanity spiritually stuck and forgive our hubris, we are pretty good at our job if we do say so ourselves." 

To which you would reply, "oh, you guys are just fooling with me, i know you're just secretly Care Bears at heart.  Come on, show your real colors."

  Then everyone would hug and share PUL with each other.

  I truly do wish Bruce, that we lived in such a reality, but we don't.  Many E.T. groups ARE on the spectrum of positive to neutral in intentions to us, but not every single one.

  I fully understand the skepticism when you haven't received guidance about them or haven't had experiences with them, but again, to cut through any ignorance or glamour, it is best to connect to the most expanded guidance and ask these about them with no preconception to get the real scoop. 

  I asked you earlier if you have ever done this, and you did not answer my question.  I don't care so much if you do or don't in a personal sense.  But i do care about this issue, as it's been brought to my attention as an important, influencing variable in the evolution of humans towards that of PUL or not. 

  As my dream told me about you, you are asleep/unconscious to this issue.   

   

   

1796 said: A few days ago after I asked Justin how he can see people's auras and how he knows that reptilian aliens are trying to detrimentally influence the minds and spiritual development of humanity, you two put up a page of posts gossiping about me, saying I am a right wing extremist, materialist, Christian hypocrite, full of hate, conservative, intolerant of homosexuals, generally a bad person, and don't even understand my own religion or I would believe in reptilian aliens because they are in the bible, etc, etc., and Justin saying Jesus had given him a message for me that I was spiritually off track and Jesus was angry with me saying I should "Wake up dude". All of which I found quite funny and had a good chuckle at some of it.

Recoverer responds: I don't recall calling you a fundamentalist of  some kind. Justin felt you said something about him (and possibly me) in a mocking way because of what we said about unfriendly aliens. I said that I haven't made a point of keeping track of your snide remarks, but remember a couple, one that relates to people who are aware of unfriendly beings. In fact, in a couple of other posts I spoke of you in a complimentary way. If you search my name you can probably find a couple of those posts.

I think it is okay that Justin spoke up for himself, even though over all, it is probably best to not go too far with trying to explain what somebody is about. For the most part, people can figure that out for themselves.

Again, to make a joke about somebody because you think they are deluded about unfriendly aliens, is that a good thing to do?

If Bruce believes we are deluded, at least ways he is trying to be helpful rather than poke fun.

Whether it is possible for people to find out about unfriendly aliens, and the existence of Jesus (another thing some people might consider interpreter overlay) without being deluded, that is for each person to figure out for his or herself.

A late P.S. if you don't want people to call you out, then don't be like a troll and make snide remarks.

hi bruce...my belief is that aliens exist throught the centurys ..I believe that they showed the Egyptians the technology to build pyrimads as they could no way have moved those massive rocks especially in line with the stars without alien intervention..i don't feel they are a threat to this planet..i think if they were they would have shown it by now...

some people ive read stories of believe aliens are part of satans army...but I don't agree somehow..i feel they have helped mankind through the centurys when really needed ..

I feel they watch this planet at times..i don't know why ..something tells me in my head ..intuition probably..

I think that theres so much out there in the universe not yet discovered ...

I remember my dad saying through a genuine medium that he could see our planet from were he was.....

love..god bless...judithateresa

judithateresa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:19am:


That sounds reasonable; for it sure is a big universe.

cb

  Hi Ralph, good to see you around. 

  I don't have much to directly add to what you said. I would just point out that it's a very, very big reality, and freewill was given to every individualized consciousness that was sparked off from the Source and the Oneness. 

  Hence, it's not just possible, but highly probable that there are at least a few groups out there that (to temporarily borrow some Campbell lingo/concepts) instead of reducing entropy via Love, have done so through more limited means like control, force, etc 

  Ime and guidance, the Reptilian E.T.'s is such a group.

  Many spiritual belief systems and sources talk about a similar concept of a Universal Law, the most succinct version is "Like attracts, (resonates with), and begets Like". 

  Humanity has long been more polarized to the negative and ego itself as an overall trend. 

  Humans and Reptilians, being of a general similar overall frequency, have co-attracted to each other. 

  The difference between us, is that our collective consciousness is more extreme.  We have an extreme admixture of fairly bright and somewhat pure Light, but with a lot of fairly intense lack of same. 

With the Reptilians, it is more smoothed out and collective among them.

  However, speaking metaphorically, the sum of both's amount of Light is ultimately similar. 

   Think of it like a spectrum that exists from 0 to 100.  1 being the very rare, extreme psychopathic type that is about to experience break down of their consciousness coherency and organisation--true, permanent self death. 

  100 is Yeshua (Jesus), pure Love. Other well known spiritual teachers range from say 70 to 90.

  Most humans range on the spectrum from say about 10 to 50--with 50 being the older souls among us (obviously some individuals go beyond that, but they are more rare, we're talking the more average of the "old souls) and 10 being the more average of the psychopathic among us, and about 30 +/- 5 being the somewhat common, but rather selfish and materialistic type person (think the typical redneck or republican American type).  The average of the range is about 30. 

   With the Reptilians it's different. Their spectrum range is less broad, they are more collectively intune with each other.  Let's theorize it's a tighter range of about 15 to 25 on the spectrum of almost pure ego/lack of Love to that of pure Love, with the average difference of about about 20.

  I'm not saying any of this is literally accurate, i'm just trying to explain metaphysical principles via a metaphorical exercise. 

  You can see that the average difference of the human range and reptilian in this exercise is not much different, and many humans, more individually speakingm are more "intune" with them.  But even our respective collective "sums" are close enough to "resonate" some according to the Universal Law of Like attracts, resonates with, and begets Like. 

   All of this is very easy to understand, once you realize how reality and consciousness works, and the different rule sets involved. In a very real sense, it's a type of nonphysical physics. 

But beliefs/belief systems, fear, avoidance of the shadow, etc get in the way of perceiving such issues and groups clearly. 

  The good news is that humans are going through a unique cycle, where we have the very real and probable potential to grow a lot collectively in a relatively short time. 

  Speaking theoretically, in a couple hundred years, the human average will probably be closer to 60 than to it's current 30.  In a thousand years, it will be closer to 95--pretty close to collective Yeshua like level. 

  In other words, things are looking brighter for humans than they have for a very, very long time.  But, this is not just handed to us on a silver platter.  The more of us that consciously work towards this, the easier it will become for all. And imo, part of this process is not just about attuning to Love in the direct sense, but also becoming more consciously aware of the various inner and outer hindrances that block a greater attunement to Love. 

   For humans, the two primary outer hindrances are our human psychopaths (which very strongly influence a lot of the power structures in the world like media, finance, politics, business, government, religion, etc) and the reptilians (in some cases, there are older and/or current connections between these two). 

   My precept is that the reason why both John the Baptist and Jesus referred to some of the corrupt, ego centered, power hungry religious leaders of their time as serpents/vipers and/or children or begotten of same, is because some of them originally were of the reptilian group.

Just as positive E.T.'s occasionally directly incarnate from their E.T. group/system of consciousness into human form, so don't the reptilians occasionally directly incarnate into human form. 

  There are no "shapeshifting" human reptilians and all that. What sometimes does happen, is that people have moments of intuitive attunement, and see the overlaying consciousness/psyche of some humans, which is very reptilian in nature whether through strong energetic connection to them and/or having come from that group directly recently. 

  Or, some have experiences with reptilian E.T.'s, whom are good at influencing human perception, and can alter the average human's perception to appear as a beautiful human or what not.  But such control and influence is rarely ever perfect, sometimes people via connection to their expanded self can see beyond the projected illusion, and see them as they really are.

Hence they seem to "shape shift", but it's not that they are changing their physical form and all that, it's that you were tricked into seeing them as they wanted you to see them, and then you get a brief glimpse of what they really look like, and so it seems to be "shape shifting", when it's just YOUR perception that has shifted. 

   I'm fairly convinced that a certain somewhat popular spiritual course out there, has the effect to strongly program subconsciously a weird schism of overly seeing/focusing on ego in relation to fellow humans, and at the same time blocking perception of cosmic "evil". That course denies that there is error/evil/sin, while underhandedly focusing so much on ego at the same time.  Whoever or whatever designed it, really did a brilliant job, and was well aware of how the human psyche and subconscious works, and how best to influence same.  Take some core truth, and inject limiting distortions, while constantly repeating same in a boring, repetitive way making the subconscious mind come to the fore and put constant, limiting suggestions in same.

   My initial thought would be that this would tend to have a time cap, meaning if one doesn't read and think about it for a long time, this influence would gradually dissipate if a person was moving in a right direction in other areas for the most part, but it's possible that such subconscious programming could linger in specific areas of the psyche. It could have a blocking effect on accurately perceiving such a group as the reptilians. After all, they are the cosmic, collective personification, embodiment of evil/sin/error aka severe lack of Love.  They have some concern for each other, for their "superior race" as they view it, which is enough "love" to keep their consciousness patterns from breaking completely down.

Hello:

I'm not a member of facebook, so I couldn't view what Todd says there.  In many cases I can see facebook postings even though I'm not a member, I don't know what the difference is in this case.

sanatogen wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 10:10pm:

Thank you.  It'll be more than a week before I have a chance to watch videos, I can't while at work.

sanatogen wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 5:05pm:

I watched some Todd Acamesis videos. He seems okay.  I skipped around a bit because a lot of what he said is familiar.

At the end of part 7, and parts 8 and 9 (of the series sanatogen provided links for), he sort of spoke of Alien experiences.  He said he made contact with a being who first went through numerous incarnations in the Earth system (in an Oversoul way), and then did the same in an alien system. He said he used to be into conspiracy theories, but after seeing that the unfriendly aliens aren't much different than unfriendly people, he stopped getting involved with conspiracy theories. I don't remember his exact words, but basically he believes everything will work out okay.

Perhaps this is so, but perhaps it can be done with less negativity than is necessary. If the World is stubborn about positive growth and is influenced by negative beings more than is necessary, it will go through unnecessary hardship.

I can't say I was ever into the conspiracy theory thing even though some might be true. When it comes to negative aliens, I never got into people like David Icke.  My thoughts on this are based on what I experienced.

  After i became more open minded to the Reptilian ET concept, i started to read a lot of abduction material.  Interestingly, Reptilian ET's are fairly commonly found in accounts of abductions of humans (though not as common as thin, Gray or White, big head, huge eye E.T. groups). 

     When you read a lot of varied abduction cases, there are some fairly similar and common patterns that emerge. 

  A fairly high degree of similarity in many areas between people of very different and similar backgrounds--especially in relation to particular ET groups. 

   Another is that many experiencers tend to have experiences with more than one group.  Another is many tend to lose most of the fear and anger associated with at least some of the abductions ie to particular groups. 

Those that have had experiences with more than one group, often perceive that various groups are actively combining human DNA with their own group's DNA to create so called "hybrids".  (especially so with the Gray group(s), which often have a human meet their sort of offspring).

  For another example, among people that have been abducted by Grays, some, or many, learn that they had made Soul contracts with this group before coming in. 

  Fairly common are the people learning that they themselves, their Soul's/Consciousnesses, were previously OF a particular group before they came in. 

  Another pattern found is that many ET groups are very good at manipulating human perception to their own ends. They can create screens over real memories, hide what they really look like, really subjugate memories, etc. 

This is even found in non abduction or non classical ET type oriented sources.  For example, when Bob Monroe met an ET group, one of the individuals presented themselves as W.C. Fields to him.  Despite that Bob wanted to see what it really looked like, he didn't end up doing so. 

   This is particularly noticeable with the Reptilian group whom both seem to excel at, and most often practice this form of deception. 

  Re: the Reptilians in relation to cases of abductions--here are some common patterns i've noted about these:

   Fairly commonly they are perceived, when not screened over, as physically (one of the only groups perceived to be physically strong, muscular, etc) and psychically powerful, often with an aggressive, arrogant, and dangerous vibe and manner to them.  Unlike most of the other E.T. groups, which seem to severely lack emotions, the Reptilians have some innate emotions in the sense of high, easy to arose temper--yet at the same time feel cold/unloving. 

   It's not uncommon for both the males and females to outright rape or take sexual advantage of humans of the opposite gender. For human males in particular, the females tend to screen themselves as exotically beautiful human females, and aggressively mount the human males, but often at some point the males see through the screen and become highly disturbed. 

One account i read about, involved a man who went to a therapist because he went from having a normal, sexual relationship with his wife, to all of a sudden avoiding sex which went on for a long time before he sought help.  As they went deeper in the regression, it was found out that he perceived himself in the above type situation described, and was so disturbed by it that for 10 years after, until the therapy and regression sessions, he was impotent even with his wife.  After the therapy and regression sessions, he reportedly re-assumed relations with his wife. 

   Sometimes it seems that a lone Reptilian being is in control of a small group of other E.T.'s, particularly the Grays, like they are slave masters.

  Since some experiencer's indicate there is a war between the Reptilians and other groups, in general and in relation to Earth and humans more specifically, it's possible that these are captured and subdued ET's rather than being complicit or willingly part of their plans. 

   Nasty, strong odor is associated with Reptilian beings from a wide range of experiencers. 


  A common, general factor found in abduction cases is that initially people don't realize they have been abducted. And once they learn, they are not quick to talk about it to friends and family and tend to keep this side of their life very secret and hidden, though a few here and there come out publicly. 

  And some only after many, many years of being aware and previously very quiet about it. 

  When literally thousands and thousands of people from all around the globe, from very diverse backgrounds and beliefs, all report similar events and corroborating info, chances are, there is probably something to it despite what we like to believe.  I find it highly arrogant and dismissive when people automatically write off the similar experiences of many, many different people with a wide range of belief systems.

  Also, while some find out that they spiritually signed up to have experiences with certain groups before hand (again, particularly those in relation to the Gray group(s), i really doubt that most signed up to be raped by a Reptilian being.

  Unfortunately, it seems that some therapist types try to overly soften and almost justify the Reptilians.  John Mack for example, seemed to think that we were facing them to integrate and become aware of our own shadow side.  Whereas Barbara Lamb seems to have become almost welcoming and positive about them for some reason (my very strong sense is that she is rather naive and overly trusting because she has a fundamental dislike of seeing the shadow side of life). 

   I would say, sometimes evil is just evil and evil for evil's sake, and a case of a group of consciousnesses abusing their Source given freewill and they just don't care about how much suffering they cause to others.  Just like human psycho/sociopathic types. 

   We may have, in a sense, attracted their attention some by our own collective negativity--however, that doesn't mean that we deserve such treatment and interaction necessarily.  When a man beats a woman, i don't blame her for his behavior, even if on some level she attracted or sought out that type of man. 

  Or people that bully others.  Sure, shadow projection and polarization can be involved, but that doesn't give the bully type license to act that way in the first place.