Some seem to think that retrievals only happen in that in between nonphysical and physical like state ala Bruce Moen's writings, etc.  However, retrievals also happen here in the physical and really, retrieval efforts here are the most important because they can prevent need for other kinds of retrievals later.  But in-physical they are of a trickier nature, and aren't usually as dramatic as the ones that happen in that more nonphysical like state (or rather in between like state).  The main reason is because physicality is just not as fluid and is more 'mixed energy' in nature. 

  If one is more clearly in touch with expanded guidance, and expanded guidance tells an individual in in various ways over a period of time that there are very clever, misleading, and negative forces that deeply desire and work towards limiting humanity...

Well such an individual might find themselves sort of stuck in between a rock and a hard place.  Does one try to make others aware of this important bit of info?   Such an individual would most likely understand that the majority of people wouldn't want or like to hear about such realities.   Especially when one starts point out how many popular sources have been infiltrated or influenced to some degree by such forces (some more so than others).   

   Yet, if a bigger love is part of ones ideal, intents, and motivations, it would be hard to not try to raise awareness, or to at least point out where aspects of popular sources have the tendency to create limited belief systems even if said source is not being influenced by forces that deliberately mislead or try to limit.   In any case, rarely are such sources black and white.  Thankfully limiting forces rarely fully control or influence an individual or group, and so Light shines forth too, and where there is Light, there is truth, but mixed in with a lack of same.  In some ways, this is more difficult to deal with though.

   On the other side of the coin, it is sometimes tiresome to see how little so many want to wake up to certain aspects of why this world and humanity is so stuck on so many levels, and refuse to see that there are deeply negative forces both human and non human who work towards keeping it this way.  Certainly the latter don't cause all the problems here, but they very much help the process.  How many of us were fooled by Obama, another actor for the human side of those limiting forces?    

  It's tiresome to speak about sources impersonally with the intent of helpfulness, and not address actual individuals, with whom such an individual is interacting with and who promotes such sources, in a negative or critical manner, but to be misunderstood constantly and have them take it to a personal level in return. 

  Such individuals active in this endeavor aren't free of error and aren't fully pure channels for PUL, but they are at least motivated by the very meaning of PUL.  It would be nice if people could try to feel and understand the intents behind such individuals actions and efforts, and to understand that expanded guidance has nudged them in this direction for a reason and it's a really sucky job with no material compensation or reward unlike with the popular sources who are making money, gaining adoration, respect, and all the fruits of the earth. 

  A little understanding would be nice.  And yes, tiresome is a perfect word for the other side of the coin too, at least in self's weaker moments. 

   It might behoove people to remember the material reasons of why the Teacher of teachers was falsely set up and murdered so long ago.  Primarily for trying to raise awareness about the popular, but limiting sources of his day (the Pharisees, the Sadduccess, the Scribes). For speaking critically about same and pointing out how and where they were limiting, and showing and teaching differently.  By being "different" than the majority. 

   As now, just like then, many people, even the good hearted ones, didn't want to hear about this.  They were comfortable.  No need for some rabble rouser, know it all, to come along and rock the boat. And this is why many, even some decent hearted people, wanted him gone from the scene.  He disturbed them.  Some part of them did not want to be aware of how much dark forces were involved with the earth, with people, with their culture, with their ways of living.  Truly, there is nothing new under this Sun. 

   Another aspect of the repression of the shadow.   Some people would rather stick their heads in the sand, and if someone else disturbs them in this play towards false outer "peace", they kick at them.   

 

Justin (a channel):

I bet you there are some people who chose to incarnate so they can be whistle blowers.  Some people find these whistle blowers to be annoying.

seagull wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:


Believe it or not Seagull, I do understand where you are coming from in your frustration.  But you and some others here don't seem interested in gaining understanding of why Albert and I talk about the things we do. 

Re: the highlighted part of your quote, I'm interested in what exactly you are insinutating?  Can you be fully honest and upfront about what you mean?  Let's forget about any social concern or spiritual image concerns and be sincere with each other.

Do I get the sense that you sometimes rather avoid uncomfortable truths and realities, yes I have gotten that sense from earlier days of Blinks days here.  But do I think that makes you less than, no, do I think or feel negatively about or towards you, no.  I also do have a lot of respect for you and your gentleness, as to some extent we're sort of opposites (well we are you being indicated by Cancer and me by Capricorn) and I could benefit from more of that Yin attunement in self.  But its also true that you could use more of Fire and Yang attunement.

If Albert or I happen to push some buttons, likely its because there is some truth there to look more deeply at.  I've noticed that in more difficult interactions between people, its usually less the mistruths that upset the other, but more the truths that bother or upset us.

Boheric:

I am not able to provide a very definite answer of where physical realms are located in relation to spiritual realms.  I basically believe it is more about differing energy levels and mental intent.

I figure a ghost is able to be located in a particular house even though it is no longer physical because its attachment to a house or a person (or people within it) causes it to vibrate at a similar energy level.

Yvvak wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 10:35pm:

recoverer wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 3:07pm:


  It's interesting that you mention this Albert, as a little while back, i became aware of some of this little self's or "probes" history. 

   During my last in physical life, during a cycle very similar to our current (a time of great change, transition, crisis but enormous potential), after i finished up what i was supposed to do on this earth, i was taken aboard a space ship, with highly, highly evolved E.T. beings.  (Already had lived a long time in-physical, and lived many more years in a state of being not so distinct between "physical" and "nonphysical" as we tend to experience and perceive now). 

   I think they are the same as the ones that Rosalind McKnight reported interacting with.  The sort of main care takers of the Earth.

   Anyways, hung out with them for awhile, as well as communicated with various other groups.  Part of my lessons or learning from these non human perspectives was about some of the unfriendly ET groups that also have been involved with humanity for a long time.  Given a history of this interaction, their habits, their methods, their intents, their plans, etc.

   It has been my definite sense that a big part of why i incarnated here again, was to raise awareness about these issues that many of the helper groups (both former human connected and not) think humanity would benefit from becoming more conscious and aware of. Not the only reason, but a definite part.  Other aspects include talking about the changes from a holistic point of view, helping during those changes, and some other reasons.   

   Unfortunately, there tends to be extreme reactions to such type info.  There are people that have a overt or outer fear reaction, and become unduly concerned with such things (the archetypal fear filled conspiracy theorist types that relies primarily on outside info, rather than internal guidance and lacks attunement to PUL).  Then there are people that have an invert fear reaction, which often takes the form of denial, suppression, shoving under the rug.  They just really don't like hearing about it.  It causes some kind of internal reaction in them, an discomfort if you will.

     Related to this and i will keep it brief: awhile back, Linn Conyers called me a "star child".   For years, i didn't know what she meant and what that term meant, until i had certain realizations based partly on internal guidance.  Besides Linn's guidance, remembering a repeating child hood dream, also helped to initially clue me in.  Having some communications with some of these non human beings also did. 

    Reality is a very, very big and varied existence.  The good news is that there are many more groups and beings with helpful intent (based on knowledge of and caring about Oneness) than there are those more polarized to the negative and self serving.  We receive a lot of help on many levels.  Protection and guidance is always there, but sometime it's important that we consciously and deliberately ask for it, though there are certain basic protections in place (like they will not be allowed to overtly and physically attack until we have grown up enough to better deal with it). 

   However, those helpful groups do truly wish humans would become more aware to the latter.  Conscious awareness without fear is an important step in our collective evolution to their degree of growth and eventually (and potentially quickly) to full Source attunement largely as a group or whole.  To be sure, this is desired on many levels, by many.

   There are not too many places, or too many people that i would talk much about this kind of stuff with or too.  Bruce's site has attracted an unusual amount of more mature helper types, and i figured if there is any site wherein one should talk about same, it would be here.  However, i'm beginning to question this.  Maybe it would be best to try to create a forum or group more open and centered around some of this non mainstream stuff. 

I think Tom Campbell describes it well in his book My Big Toe.  He sees nonphysical reality as a superset of which physical reality is  a subset.  And we can make a Venn diagram in which there are greater, more expanded perspectives of consciousness which contain within them smaller constrained views.  Those in physical reality (earth) are limited by the common physical laws of that area of consciousness.  One whose consciousness is expanded is not limited, even if he/she is in a body; thus we have episodes of folks accessing paranormal powers and what appear to be miracles.  JC was one such, so reports of manifestation on earth (feeding a multitude without the supplies, walking on water, healings etc.) were possible coming from a higher level of consciousness (since consciousness is primary).  Other miracles attributed to people such as Moses, Buddha, etc. likely also represent the transcending of the bounds of consciousness.

The Majjhima Nikāya states that the Buddha had paranormal powers, being able to walk on water which is further verified in the Aṅguttara Nikāya. Other paranormal events stated that the Buddha could multiply into a million and then return, travel through space, "make himself as big as a giant and then as small as an ant, walk through mountains, he could dive in and out of the earth, he could travel to Heavens to school the Gods and return to earth."  Of course there is hyperbole in any recounting of these things, and it is said in buddhist texts that the Buddha was actually very reluctant to display any miracles, though the people requested it of him.

And in the old testament, the miracles noted (Moses parting of the Red Sea, manna from heaven feeding the masses, Moses' staff turning into a serpent, etc.) clearly appear to violate the laws of physical reality, but were possible from someone with a consciousness   already in a superset of physical reality. 

The ironic note to this fact is that those who transcend the bounds of physical reality by expanding their consciousness usually are loathe to display these paranormal properties, as they operate from a mindset of love and detachment, so they have nothing to prove, and no material goals to gain.  I would say that these miracles took place as a way to inspire faith, love and belief in others, still in physical reality only mode of conciousness. 

So, from my undestanding, each higher set of conciousness is bound only by the set of laws of that plane, which are not the same is the subset planes, but may have some similarities ("as above, so below"). 

M