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a channel,

My vacation from eternity isn't just about entertainment.  I am back here to do what I can to let folks know there's more to our existence than the way it looks, from within the physical world perspective.  It's just part of the nature of physical reality that it takes some doing (especially for the less evolved spiritual beings like myself) to remember how things "really" are.  Hence the years I spent exploring and trying to remember 

Re-merging with "Source" is another issue.  In my opinion, it wasn't that Monroe  wasn't accepted for re-merging because he was "small and incomplete".  Personally, I don't believe it is possible to not be connected to "Source" as you call it.  In my opinion what you call "Source" is what he called his "I/There" and what I call, "The Disk."  I routinely communicate with my Disk, and teach others how to do that in the third workshop in the series.  I feel Monroe didn't become a "permanent member" of his I/There, or Source as you call it because he/It knew that the reason for his creation by Source, or I/There still has more he can explore to bring back to Source before he/It decides to become a permanent member, as do I.  So, naturally I expect I'll be returning for my next vacation from eternity, my next reincarnation into whatever reality/perspective I/We chose to explore more.

I wouldn't say my "main reason why you are here," is "to forget the eternity and eternal aspect of reality".  Rather, I see that forgetting as part of the nature of this reality/perspective I'm presently vacationing in.  Some, more spiritually evolved beings who vacation Here, don't forget as much as I did.  That just meant I had to spend years really working at answering the question, What am I supposed to do while I'm Here.  Oh  well, good thing our existence is eternal so there's plenty of time for the tasks even for the spiritually slow-minded folks like me 

"Seems the best way to get that full non eternal effect, is to be full of fear, uncertainty, and completely unaware of the reality of our eternal nature, the nonphysical, etc."

Yeah, but it's a distraction that makes it take longer to get to working on the tasks that better fit my purpose for being/vacationing Here.  It's just as easy to get that "full non eternal effect," with a completely hedonistic approach, and that one is a lot more pleasurable, in my experience than "to be full of fear, uncertainty,".  Hedonism is just as effective but a lot more enjoyable, but, it's just as big of a distraction too 

Thanks, your post is thought provoking.  I like that.

Bruce

  Hi Bruce, thank you for the reply and for the clarifications.  Glad to know you view it as more than just a vacation. 

   Some clarifications from this side.  I guess i'm speaking of a different perspective of "Source".  Yes, i can see that as a probe, in a sense our source is our Disk/I-There or what i like to call our Expanded self essence (ESE). 

  Yet, who or what created our Disks?  From your work, you seem to view it as the Planning Intelligence.  From what i've gathered, i call it the Christ Spirit or ESE that "Jesus" belongs too. 

  But what created that Disk/ESE?   What i would call the "Source".  That's what i mean by Source--this Source to me is both the Whole or Oneness and yet an essence or being unto itself as well at the same time. 

  Yes, we are never truly separated from our Disk, the Planning Intelligence, the Source, or the Whole and each other since it All exists within the same unified field, BUT what i'm talking about is conscious awareness of our Oneness with these.  We (many of us, not all) have created blocks and hindrances in our perception, awareness, and beingness of of Source and Source origins.  These blocks and hindrances started even before the physical was manifested, and it was these blocks and hindrances which partially manifested the physical (But the Creative forces got involved with shaping the manifestation once it started to form).   

   What i'm talking about, then is full conscious Oneness, being PUL incarnate, or to put in other terms, fully like Jesus--fully conscious of being One with the Whole, The Source, etc.  But, it's our entire Disk which remembers/remerges, and after we become a full companion and Co-Creator with The Source. 

  It's very clear in Monroe's Ultimate Journey's, that when he went beyond the aperture, he wasn't just consciously merging with just his Disk, but starting to remember/re-merge with the Whole. 

  While he was getting closer, or on the periphery of same, he met some Beings there, who told/asked him, "What gifts do you bring little one? I perceive none....  There is something different with you.  You bring no gifts and you are alone.  You are incomplete.....   You will understand why you are incomplete, why you are small...  With us it was different.  You act as you do because your diversification is so wide.  On our planet, our entire species became aware and made the shift as one."

   It seems that they were trying to tell Monroe, that he still had to retrieve both aspects of his own Disk, help the Disks that were in his Soul group, and then make the shift with both his entire Disk and maybe also with the Disks of his Soul group. 

   Another way of saying it too, is that Monroe and his Disk was yet not in full conscious resonation with PUL, which is the "way" to The Source and that full Oneness Consciousness. 

  By all those above standards, i'm also still small and incomplete.  I don't know if that makes me a slow learner or what not as well, perhaps.  My sense is that it takes a lot of experience, a lot of will, a lot of desire and focus to fully consciously remember/remerge with The Source and the Whole.  Basically, you have to get REALLY sick of the "dream" and really want to wake up.  I've gotten to that point.  During a partnered exploration here, one of the members here received this from guidance about me, "Justin is not interested in color anymore."  He interpreted it one way, i interpreted it as i'm fully focused on becoming the "White Light" so to speak, no color, no imbalance, nothing but PUL.  Color signifies a relative degree of non attunement with same.

   I was not fault finding Monroe or you with talking about that, but i see this whole process as A LOT more than a vacation, though i can see that reasoning or perspective.  I see it as the healing and reintegration of the Whole, so that the Whole will be Whole.  My sense is that both the Planning Intelligence and The Source desire this, they desire our full conscious companionship with them, for us to become like they are, to Co-Create other Realities and Consciousnesses with them. 

  And, my Guidance which is both my Disk, combined with those Consciousnesses fully One with Source, the Whole, and who know and live complete Oneness, has urged me often to make myself a fit channel for that Consciousness of PUL to help in the above endeavor of holistic retrieval.  Urged to love more, to meditate-pray more, to eat better, to attune myself as much as i'm able. 

    They're laid back only in so much as they accept me for how i am in the present with all my lacks and blocks and they don't put me down for not doing better, but still that encouragement and that nudging (usually gentle, sometimes not) is still there.  (my experience is that the more mature and intune one becomes, the more the Creative forces are more direct and blunt about things, because they know you can handle it and that you have more responsibility to self and to others)

   So, i cannot be too laid back and Yin about this process, when i have Consciousnesses much more intune/mature/aware than you or i telling me or perhaps stressing something a bit different (but they also say to have fun, enjoy things, have hobbies, etc).  These are also more aware than my total Disk, for they have already made that transition or shift. 

  This is why i have disagreed with the vacation analogy or perspective some.  I see it as a bit too polarized/imbalanced to the Yin. 

Thank you, Bruce for your reply.  Your statement:


"But, I will no longer be aware of my activities as an exploring-human-consciousness-Being. If I shift my focus of attention and become consciously aware at the level of the Totality of Consciousness, in essence, I am in the same position as Monroe when he was told he was too small, incomplete, and didn't have any gifts.  I have arrived way too early. So, by maintaining my focus of attention at the level of Human Consciousness, I'm fulfilling my role, my chosen role at my creation, as that Explorer.  If I chose consciousness as the Totality of Consciousness I will still have this body, within Physical World Human Consciousness, doing what I do, but unconsciously.  I strongly recommend not walking down the freeway at night or during rush hour in this state of consciousness.  That's one of the ways we can get lost, stuck."

really struck a chord for me.  I have been going through a period of revelations about the nature of our truest form, followed by a "now what?" period myself.  In other words, when you get in touch with the game of consciousness - that we are all unique aware beings part of God/Source, and that ego and separateness are created and unreal (but also responsible for much misery to those of us in the physical world), then how do you function in the world with this knowledge?  I can play the game of being Matthew, of ego-related activities, of applying human will to achieve goals of the illusory actor in the physical world, or I can ...........?

Part of my initial response was and has been to withdraw somewhat for contemplation.  It could be considered a belief system crash.  What do you do, when you wake up inside the play of the physical world?  I had been slow to answer this question to myself.  Intellectual understanding is rarely satisfying if the emotional component does not follow. 

I understand what you mean when you state that it would be difficult for a person to be merged with Source and fully present in the world.  But wouldn't that be a wonderful way to be?  Enlightened on a deep emotional level, seeing through the play, and false polarity of opposites.  Acting out of love not because it is commanded to do so in a text, but because it is really the only way to act.  So far, at this part of my own journey, I too have decided to go on being Matthew, but to practice mindfulness (as buddhists describe it).  I try to insert and awareness of the bigger picture in everyday activities.  Sometimes,  I am more successful than others.  But it is almost like a part of my consciousness has taken on an observer role, and I will nudge or remind myself of the bigger picture during the day, and adjust my activities or interactions accordingly.

I wonder, at this stage, if, in a physical lifetime, most of us can make the transition to the stage where it is seamless; where there doesn't have to be active mindfulness, because we are both in the world and not of the world.  I do believe it is possible, and think we all can make it there someday.  But I am an optimist. 

I always liked this story on how enlightment (in this case Zen) would change how you are while still alive in the world:

"Before a person studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are not waters; after enlightenment,      mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters."


Matthew

DocM wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 10:43am:


Matthew,

I really dig that man!

Yes, there is a point at which the connection is seamless, in my view.  Peoples actions are seen through and we just react by appreciating watching the movie they are living, and project as much PUL to them as we can, and continue on with our existence, our vacation from Eternity  .  It may be Here in physical reality, stuck in 23, in 27, or beyond.  The venue doesn't matter, only the learning to experience and express PUL to an ever greater degree.

Thanks Matthew,

Bruce

recoverer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 12:47pm:

Bruce,

I am perplexed as to why you give all those alternate identities, to the divine, why not just use God?

I meant "Disc" does not indicate an intelligence to me?

Alan

Thank you Bruce for your comprehensive reply, it cleared up some misconceptions I had about your ideas about the mystical realms. I can understand how you are led to break down things into separate parts that are easier to comprehend, than the greater wholeness.

Your disc and what I call the super-consciousness seem to be the same entity if I can call it by that name.

All information, both past, present, and future, exists in the ““Superconsciousness”.” The “Superconsciousness” (or Collective Mind) transcends time and space and with diligent practice, can be consciously accessible from within a deep state of awareness.

I believe we can download vital information from this source and it might be the reason for sudden jumps or advances of human technology and scientific reasoning.

I am positive that all Sentient” intelligent beings in the universe are interconnected into the Super-consciousness; it is where information comes from for all accurate predictions and visions, whether auditory, visual, or emotional. It encompasses all that is and all that will be in our universe. In truth, it is where our thoughts go to and come from both during mortal life and into the realms of the afterlife. We only perceive these whispering thoughts in our brain/mind or soul and usually take little notice of them

However, we should become more aware and connect with this source of universal knowledge for our personal advancement and the benefit of humankind as a whole,and learn to filter out what is unessential for to advance into higher beings, beyond that of Homo -Sapient into Homo -Superior.

It as something similar to the hive mind of the bee or ant but that, which connects all higher beings in one consciousness throughout the universe. I speculate this “Superconsciousness” is finite consisting of finite albeit highly intelligent life forms throughout the universe and “is not the infinite creator God” but one of his creations. A sort of galactic, or universal Internet, think how useful this source would be if only we could gain access to it when we want to?

Bruce the super-consciousness, might be a fragment of your consolidated disc, which would contain all the knowledge of all existence and not just that of our own particular universe.

Disc = Mind of Existence = God

Super-consciousness = Part of Disc?

Blessings and Light

Alan

Alan:

Disk is basically the same as higher self and oversoul.

A Disk projects small parts of itself in order to experience various incarnations in places like this World.

We are the projections.

I've had experiences and received spirit messages that made the point that the Disk viewpoint is in some way true.

Some believe this is true without coming up with a name like Disk. For example, P.M.H. Atwater wrote in one of her books that she is just one finger of her Soul.