I've been very busy the past month, but thought I'd report a paranormal experience I heard about today, though it doesn't fit too well with this topic.

Today was the annual trustees parsonage inspection.  One of the trustees, Shane (a science  teacher) said to me, “Guess whom we had over for dinner last night?”  Blank stare!  “Danny.”  Danny was a musically gifted 21-year-old who had played guitar and keyboard for one of our 2 worship services.  He was very respectful to our older adults, but, outside of church, he was a troubled young man with addiction issues that made him drop out of college in his freshman year. He came to church so he could play in our band, but was otherwise angry at the idea of God and was not a professing Christian.  But as Shane explained, Danny had recently had a dramatic conversion experience. 

Around 2 AM, he was driving his souped-up car over 100 m.p.h. on a remote country road with no traffic.  Due to the high speed, he lost control of his car and plummeted over a small cliff.  A police officer later measured the distance he was airborne as 125 ft.  Danny said time dramatically slowed down and even the shattering of his windshield seemed unbelievably slowed down.  As he numbly awaited his fate, an inner voice said, “You are not in control; God is.”  To his great dismay, he was fully conscious after his car was totalled and quickly exited the car as it burst into flames.  God had indeed been in control.  Danny couldn't believe he could stagger up the small hill by the cliff virtually unscathed.  At the top, an old man was walking with a cane.  The man asked Danny, “Are you all right?”   Danny replied, “Yes.”  Then the old man gave him a penetrating stare with steely blue eyes and added, “Yes, you are all right” (as if to say, “Remember what I just said.”).  Then the old man shuffled on with his flashlight.  At that moment, the thought struck Danny, “There's no way an old man would be shuffling along around 2 AM in the middle of nowhere!”  Danny was convinced that a guardian angel had ensured his safe landing and that the old man's sudden appearance was intended to reinforce that thought.  Shane glowed as  he said, “That experience has set Danny's heart on fire for God.” 

But Danny dropped out of his community college after just one year because he became obsessed with composing and performing music.  He played and sang some of his songs for Shane, who remarked how awesome they were.  In fact, Danny has just been signed by Warner Brothers to produce and perform his songs.  I want him to come to my church to share his testimony first-hand and perform his music for us.  His life struggles had greatly endeared him to the hearts of our members.      

This incident reminds me of a similar experience Rondele reported having as a young boy.  I have no answer for the apparent inconsistency with which so-called "guardian angels" intervene, other than the victim's time was apparently not up.

Don

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Don,

I don't have any answers, but if you want to speculate:

A - Some "guardian angels" aren't as attentive as they could be.
B - Some "guardian angels" decide the person needs an extraordinary experience to lead them to complete their life's task.
C - Some souls are evolved enough to intervene on their own behalf.  Others are at the mercy of their immature self.
D - All of the above, plus a few others that I likely haven't thought of.

If God shows no partiality... doesn't that leave fallible others to make the decisions?  Uhg... now I've reminded myself of the question of free will and how much free will we really have?

K

Below is an excerpt of my writings that might answer some of Dons questions.


Excerpts from my writings on the near death phenomenon
The Being of Light might be Jesus, but I think in most cases he/she is your guardian angel which has been allocated to you, from birth until death.

This part of the journey was much like an enormously speeded up movie. Science will tell you the neutrino particle can go through light years of lead without slowing down, likewise my spiritual body going through a planet is within the bounds of possibility, and maybe this is how ghosts or spirits are able to walk through walls. Maybe an ethereal spiritual body is made up of neutrinos? I could not touch or interact with the material universe, which is but one dimension or realm within the countless others that make up all of existence.

Not bound to a physical body’s visual spectrum, one could view the universe in all spectrum's’, from, gamma rays to infra red and more. The ethereal eye is hugely more sensitive than the physical eye and one could peer much deeper into the universe than even the greatest earthly telescope. Try to image this of course is impossible? Instead of space being black, with this heightened sense of vision, the universe lit up with a billion, trillion ever changing colors of breathtaking beauty. Blind people who have had a near death experience often report seeing visually for the very first time using their ethereal senses. I call this soul senses or soul sight.

Racing outward and outward through the universe it seem to shrink behind us and the arrow of time reversed from future to past as we moved closer and closer toward the zero point moment of creation or big bang singularity, the void we call outer space shrinking out of existence into nothingness.

Size or scale is really meaningless in the grand order of existence. the singularity the point of infinite density and energy was also infinite in size and dimension in the beginning because it was all that is, it did not emerge into a vast empty void, it brought the void with it, and this void we call space is both finite and infinite because there exist the grand multiverse that contains all of existent within it. Existence is infinite and eternal. Each universe is like infinity with all universes all expanding or contracting into each other for eternity. Did I understand all this no I did not?

The best description I can give of existence is that there is an infinite eternal colossal ocean; God is the cause and creator of all existence because everything must have a cause to exist. Only God has no cause he is the unfathomable un-caused, cause, on which float an infinity of universes, like bubbles of foam, each different but all evolving living and dying just as if they were great beings. To get from one universe requires punching a hole between one into the other. (Black Hole?)

Our universe is a universe of both light and dark, other universes might be pure living light and other infinite abysmal dark and cold. Heavens and hells I am sure are located in some of these universes and the ethereal soul body can with permission pass easily between them.

Exploding out of our universe, the whole universe began to recede at a colossal rate, first becoming an enormous sparkling dark plane, a sort of flat surface. (Like the earth appears to us when we view it from a little height). This beautiful plane , or surface or edge of the universe (of course in reality the universe has no edge or surface just my semantics) twinkled with brilliant a billion trillion multicolored pulsating aurora borealis like lights, unexplainable beautiful.

As we continued outward further and further from our physical universe it changed from being a vast plain slowly becoming a colossal almost infinitely large orb, then shrinking down and down as we traveled further and further away from it, until it became into a smaller and smaller globe finally at a colossal distant, it became but a tiny spot, a mere tiny small singularity, within the infinity that makes up all of existence, amongst the eternal infinite foam of numberless other realities, and physical universes that reside it this blazing infinite dimensionless golden light that is the breath of God.

I relate this of course in the dimness of my limited mind as these things are unexplainable in human terms or languages.

This light of purest golden light is limitless, boundless, and infinite in every direction, it is where the “ Holy Spirit of God” is so concentrated unimaginably pure holy and so intense that an entity could vanish from existence if it tried to enter without permission. Gods concentrated awareness is like a welcoming warm golden sun,” The “Sun of Righteousness” shall rise with healing in His wings”

If we remember the “Lords Prayer”, Our “Father” who art in “Heaven”, this is the domain, within the ocean of foam that contains all the universes is where the presence of God is all most tangible, the highest state of pure inexhaustibly indestructible energy, it is were Gods awareness is most concentrated it you like, this might seem an oxymoron, that

God is also omnipresent, but He is inconceivable.” To the mere puny understanding of man.

Jesus said in the Gospels that in my “Fathers House” are many mansions. It is the “Great Ocean” of all Existence the source of all creation, and all the great rivers of life flow into it. It is the experience that millions of mystics over time have tried to obtain, but all in vain, no matter what they claim.

As we hovering quietly, in this Infinite Sacred a silence blanketed us with unspeakable, peace and love of this purest stillness of holy golden light, which I knew, was Gods presence. I, nevertheless inquired as to where we where? In my inner self I knew it could only be what, I heard a voiceless voice was saying to me, “you are standing in the “Breath of God” also called the “Holy Spirit”

We were temporarily existing within the Pure composite golden light of Almighty Living God which is outside of normal material space and time, where the ethereal realms, heavens, planes and higher dimensions are. These are our destinies after we die.

Indeed, I now dwelt in the everlasting infinite moment. I knew God was a loving forgiving God only a Holy God that will not tolerate any depravity in his house. There are those who will have to endure hells of their own making. We should note that we will all have to account to a Holy God for what we did right or what we did wrong after we die.

Lifting my soul eyes into this great light from a vast distance with the Being of Light still at my side as my guide, bliss and ecstasy filled my soul as I tried to look at the golden radiance of God the Creator who is brighter than any sun, yet I could behold some of his glory without hurt or flinching my spiritual eyes.

God’s pure translucent light and love moved over and through me, washing every hidden place of my heart, removing all hurt and fear, transforming my very being into a song of joy. Gods love is conditional on how we behave in life
It was a love so Divine so unimaginably so non-judgmental to those that love him, that I wept in joyful wonder at our beautiful God, who I can say without any reservations I love beyond words because his forgiving love is complete yet, the light toward which we were soaring was the fulfillment of my search, the loving Source of all that exists, the God of truth and unconditional love, the originator and author of all creation.

Then for a brief moment the mysteries of eternal knowledge flowed through me and filled my mind with the wonder of the power of it. Although I could not retain this knowledge I was assured that one beautiful day I would have access to it, without any reservations. It would be the ultimate trust that God could give to one of his creations.

God spoke to me saying “life should be enjoyed, understood, meaningful and nothing should be feared, the very worst that mortal earthly life can throw at you is transient and temporary, your essence and my essence will always exist and will always continue to exist within the grand orders of reality. Indeed I knew you before the earth existed”.

It was clear to me then that the universe was mostly good and that evil will never prevail against the light. Beautifully interconnectedness into one glorious harmonious whole is the final purpose of God for our universe. “This is still a work in progress”. Evil was allowed in the physical realms so that people can use their free will to love God and their fellow beings as they love themselves.

I felt the warmth of the eternal fire, within the spirit of my being and I was filled by it with a sustained sense of exultation, immense joy, peace, rapture and sublime bliss.

My awareness or consciousness expanding until it encompassed the entire universe and all existence. While I knew I was not God, and that I was only bright tiny facet of the unimaginably beautiful diamond that we call God. It was like riding on the shoulders of God, looking out at the universe with his eyes and understanding everything from time immemorial, to the present, into the unimaginable far future.

Everything at once in an instant moment, but also I saw all things and understood all things through all of eternity, both somehow, at once. Time became meaningless and did dot flow in the linear way it did in the physical realms.
Then without traveling we immediately stood in a marble Parthenon like palace, the walls glowed in crystalline inner blue luminosity. Strange beings of glowing light of seeming unimaginable noble wisdom walked the corridors of this universal library of the souls. Where these great beings the Great Arch Angels of God?

An intellectual illumination beyond any description overflowed my mind and. I knew then that the will of Gods was for all humanity to be immortal and possess eternal life. “Death was not the natural order of Gods creation” and this mystery of life, death and evil remain a mystery to be revealed as God said in the Book of Revelation. The crucial plan of the universe was for the good of all that dwelt within its as yet still brilliant unimaginable beautiful and vast golden boarders.

The heavens declared the glory of Gods handiwork and his creation is so wonderful that I have no words in the English language to describe it. Our mortal bodies are wonderfully knit together a work of infinite precision and meticulous creativity by the awesome intellect of God, and our human brain a prime example of the infinite mind of God. Our mortal bodies, however, are not in the image of God. It is our spirit or soul that mirrors his image and thus God made man to think like Him albeit in a lesser way. God Imagined man (imagine-man.).

The concept of time vanished and I seem to exist in an everlasting moment. The physical universe was indeed a most precious jewel in the mind of God. God created time, he is the Timekeeper if you like, he has a sort of a stop watch, starting at the Alpha moment and stopping at the Omega moment, the Beginning and End. I saw in my “minds eye” a huge clock. Something like a doomsday clock, it had only a second hand and this hand was turning towards the top of the hour, but it would advance clockwise and reverse anticlockwise, sometimes advancing fifteen seconds and retreating ten.

I think when the second hand finally reaches the top of the hour something catastrophic and cataclysmic is going to happen, maybe the end of the world and time?

We are Gods observers if you like, things exist because there is someone to observe them, and we are also co-creators with other souls and indeed God himself

Alan

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Your user name is familiar, do I know you? I have never been hospitalized for stress. However, I admit to being hospitalized years ago for bi-polar disorder from which I have recovered and I am now very balanced and well. Who is this Afrikaner friend?

My main interests are in the in the sciences, especially astrophysics.

Alan,

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Hitler was the brain, which had it's influcences, and needed a lot of hands to turn visions into reality. Higher up in the hiearchy, the prime cause of everything - the originator and author of all creation - is accountable for everything. What a mess.

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Fifty plus millions, where does this number come from?

Kudos on the imaginative vengance. How unfortunate that we don't remember anything when coming into this world. There would be a lot of foaming around the mouths. Even in the astral people would imagine mouths so that they could take part in the foaming.

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One god is god of truth and unconditional love, but the other god isn't?

Lars,
Doc is the real deal, not that he need defend himself to the likes of you.

She is, obviously. She responded to you.

Don't respond to Lars and thus likely encourage him is my suggestion. This thread is very interesting, I'd love to read more about the original issues discssed here.