I am enjoying the site and feel that I will learn from it.

I am, however, confused by so many posts that are centered on the traditional concepts of heaven, hell, definitive singular after death experiences, etc.

My understanding is that Mr. Moen had similar experiences to Mr. Monroe and espouses a similar "universe view."

Such views are contradictory to established historical views of heaven, hell, Asgard, 1,000 virgins (or clusters of grapes), or whatever afterlife is promised-either reward or punishment.

I have just discovered this site and will read more posts and obtain Mr. Moen's published works. Regardless of his input or views, I am still befuddled by so many posters espousing traditional religious views.

I am viewing this site because I have firmly rejected the theological ideas of established religions.

To be redundant, and I don't mean to offend, but why are so many here rehashing the same old bits?

More confusing is that many posters seem to hold established views-especially Judeo-Christian, yet write extensively of views and experiences that are counter to those views if not wholly contradictory?

Monroe and the Toltec literature I am familiar with clearly state that there is no "God" in the form of a singular, judgemental deity.

If anything, from a Judeo-Christian perspective, Monroe, Toltec and OOBE works point at best to the demiurge and a muddled earthly creation described in Gnostic literature.

No benevolent  deity (Yahweh, Allah, etc.) with only two options for us: heaven or hell. No earthly similar afterlife as the Egyptians believed.

So why such consistent and pervasive focus on these established religions and their entrenched laws and tenets?

And, has no one else considered this:

Why has all this information been made available to the Western world recently? There have been cryptic Eastern texts and verbal practices in existence for centuries or millnia.

Only in the last few decades, however, have written works from Castaneda, Donner, Abelar, Tunnenshende, Monroe etc. been available.

Yes, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, etc. have much of the information, but not presented in the clear, consise, direct method described in the books of the last half century.

Even some modern music seems to touch on our past lives and celestial potential.

From "Parabol/Parabola" by "Tool"  "...we barely remember who or what came before this precious moment...   ....hold on, stay inside...      ...inside this body holding me...    ...realize that I am not alone...   ...here in this body...   ...bending, swirling with each new experience...   ...reaching up, reaching out...   ...for whatever will bewilder me...   ...hold on, stay inside"

To be clear. These works aren't like a bible where words were written thousands of years ago & have hopefully undergone a new understanding.

These words are new to mankind. Some one, some thing, some "they" are communicating in a very direct way, and it appears to be with some urgency.

It wasn't, in my understanding, until the latter part of the 20th century that these specific words and concepts were published.

Do any of you disagree?

Something cosmic concerning humans and/or the blue planet is pending. We are being made aware of celestial realities at an astonishing rate. This is not "business as usual" in my opinion.

This is not simply publication of experiences such as monks or mystics had but weren't widely known due to poor printing methods or illiteracy. We don't simply know more about "those nut jobs" because of the Internet or newspapers.

The INSPECs told Monroe that he "was part of it" but they didn't describe exactly what "it" was.

Yes, descriptions of potential scenarios and possibly mankind leaving earth are described.

But will this be a simple spiritual evolution or will the earth itself be destroyed or refuse to support human life?

I don't have a problem with the celestial beings not disclosing all they know. We humans probably aren't ready. It is similar to my attempting to explain a complicated technical concept to an infant-pointless.

My point, my complaint, my disappointment is that so many here want to compare baby photos rather than try to move as efficiently as possible to adulthood (ultimate human evolution).

Although I respect the experiences and views of the forum participants, I was, frankly, expecting more "celestial transcripts" and "energetic facts of the universe) (a Toltec term).

I find many of these personal suppositions and simple restating of the Bible, Koran, or other old texts (forum postings) to be of little or no value to my quest.

If one reads closely in the Monroe/Toltec literature, INSPECS or "inorganic beings" (the Toltec description) have actively been compelling humans to write of concepts and practices that have previously been closely guarded.

This disclosure is clearly for a purpose. Is it an imminent human evolution? A lifeline for those who will listen before the ship sinks (catastrophe on earth)?

I certainly don't know. But I do know that I am disappointed to peruse the forum and read of people still discussing Judas' motivation.

Am I in the wrong place here-seeking answers or some beneficial input-in this forum???

Thanks and, again, respect and appreciation for all who post here. I do understand that the forum participants mean well and are also seeking important answers.

Hi. It's hard to know a site when reading a thread here and a thread there. This site has been a real journey for those who have been here a long time. People like to talk about their beliefs, traditions, and their evolving understanding of their own history. Even you bring your own readings and "human evolution" to the table. Mainly, people here are trying to understand those concepts which are meaningful to their own and others' afterlives. That covers a lot of ground.

I've learned a lot here about people's hearts, including my own. I am so grateful.

But, that's another story.... Enjoy.

Paulie:

I get what you're saying, but I don't mind using the word "God" because I don't think of the concepts of others when I do so.

Same with the word "love."


Paulie wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 4:07am:

Well good for you then recoverer, like I said each to their own.

   I'm just your typical he/she wannabe co-worker with god and the spiritual minded kind of person you may find here from time to time. I've studied many beliefs and philosophies and find all of it as just tools to keep in my mental bag while I go adventuring wherever my consciousness will take me.

   I'm always open minded and always happy to learn more since there's so much to learn that I could spend an eternity learning if I wish, with occasional breaks for games and entertainment when needed.

   This website has been very beneficial for me in my quest in gaining an understanding of what the big picture has in store for us all. Good things are ahead.

   Is there a separate omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being or god that made it all? Is everything that exists contained within this god's body, or is it a free universe where we are self sustaining balls of energy that don't have to be a part of any god?

   I believe the ladder to be the case, as in Jacob's ladder to Heaven which anyone can climb.

you tell me

SHSS wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2013 at 8:31pm:


I haven't read much of William Buhlman, not for a while anyway.  Does he also write about retrievals??

I'm pretty sure I have a book of his on my shelf.  I'll have to dig it out and take a look at his work again.