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DocM Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 2168	A Neurosurgeon writes of his NDE Oct 9^th, 2012 at 8:45pm http://www.christianpost.com/news/neurosurgeon-who-doubted-afterlife-now-convinc...
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Bardo Senior Member Offline Posts: 291 Gender:	Re: A Neurosurgeon writes of his NDE Reply #1 - Oct 9^th, 2012 at 9:19pm Funny, I clicked on to post another article about the same guy. I am curious to see how his experience has affected his Christianity. And I am also curious about how he spent the last four years since it happened. Very uplifting.
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Lucy Super Member Offline Posts: 1158 C1	Re: A Neurosurgeon writes of his NDE Reply #2 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:00am yeah he's director of research at TMI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsSYpuUh_iI&feature=youtu.be I assume he is still there, a quick perusal of the Newsweek article didn't seem to uncover that bit of info.
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Reply #3 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:10am

DocM wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 8:45pm:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/neurosurgeon-who-doubted-afterlife-now-convinc...

A typical Christian reply to an OBE! One minute he's discounting his OBE. The next moment he's validating it! ..He goes from a 'Faithful Christian'..to a skeptic in his writings. Typical 'cash' generating spiel from the 'Christian' and "New Age' money making gravy train! Harvey. PS. Here's a link from an Australian News Website today..
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8545600/doctor-sees-heaven-in-out-of-body-journ...;

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Reply #4 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:14am

harvey wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:10am:

DocM wrote on Oct 9^th, 2012 at 8:45pm:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/neurosurgeon-who-doubted-afterlife-now-convinc...

A typical Christian reply to an OBE! One minute he's discounting his OBE. The next moment he's validating it! ..He goes from a 'Faithful Christian'..to a skeptic in his writings. Typical 'cash' generating spiel from the 'Christian' and "New Age' money making gravy train! Harvey. PS. Here's a link from an Australian News Website today..
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8545600/doctor-sees-heaven-in-out-of-body-journ...

.ninemsn.com.au/world/8545600/doctor-sees-heaven-in-out-of-body-journey

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Berserk2 Super Member Offline Posts: 844 Gender:	Re: A Neurosurgeon writes of his NDE Reply #5 - Oct 10^th, 2012 at 5:21pm For an interesting detailed interview, see "Dr. Eben Alexander's Near-Death Experience" on Youtube via Skeptico.com
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Reply #6 - Oct 11^th, 2012 at 4:32pm

This is the first NDE I've encountered in which someone can't recall his earth life. Does his diseased brain somehow determine the shape of his NDE (riding on a butterfly, etc.)? Typical elements of his experience include: new colors, a sense of greater vividness than healthy earthlife consciousness, a different experience of time, at one point, encounters exclusively with deceased friends and family memberls, and an experience of PUL emanating from what seems to be God and Christ.

The initial experiience of an underground cave with roots hanging from above intrigues me. I've heard about similar experiences, perhaps misidentified as hell, a nd wonder if this is archetypal. The butterflies also seem archetypal, a symbol of resurrection life from a cocoon. In fact, archetypal experiences seem very common in NDEs (e. g. Colton Burpo's NDE at age 4). Our grasp of the nature and role of archetypes does not seem to have advanced much since Carl Jung; and his analysis, though brilliant, is still rather rudimentary. I will probably buy Eben's forthcoming book.

Don

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isee Ex Member	Re: A Neurosurgeon writes of his NDE Reply #7 - Oct 11^th, 2012 at 7:26pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwLgxniI7KM interesting excerpt from a panel discussion in which Eben Alexander discusses the "butterfly girl" -- very heartfelt -- an example of what happens in NDEs which cannot be explained by the typical skeptic's point of view
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Reply #8 - Oct 13^th, 2012 at 10:35am

I didn't realize when I first posted this, that Alexander was director at TMI now. That is quite a change from neurosurgery (which is fine). I would hope that he brings his scientific background with him to create reasonable controlled studies in consciousness.

It is clear that what we perceive (butterfly girls, earthworm views, etc.) is very much influenced by our belief systems and perceptual abilities when we are in a mental plane. So one thing I don't look for personally is to adopt another person's idea of heaven.

One of my closest friends is a neurosurgeon in NY. They are a small tight-knit community (not many training slots in university programs). I plan to get some information about him, just out of interest.

Matthew

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Reply #9 - Oct 13^th, 2012 at 3:52pm

Yes, expertise in the most relevant related fields is often lacking in NDE and OBE research. Eben was adppted and met his birth parents and siblings only after his NDE. One of his birth sisters, whom he never met, died at a young age and is positively identifed by Eben as the butterfly girl. That is a very impressive verification, given the fact that Eben never know about her at the time.

I also recommend the coast-to-coast interview on "shared NDEs" that can be found on the lower right hand side of the same Youtube site. Raymond Moody shares mind-blowing NDEs here.

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Calypso Full Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 101 Chicagoland Gender:	Re: A Neurosurgeon writes of his NDE Reply #10 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 12:23pm Ordered Alexander's book and just got it in the mail yesterday. So far seems very persuasive, genuine and...well scientific, I guess. Do you really think he's just doing it for the money?
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Claudio Pisani Junior Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 86 Lauria, Italy Gender:	Re: A Neurosurgeon writes of his NDE Reply #11 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 1:10pm Hummmm...that guy looks genuine, but he didn't die, so we can't take for granted his NDE. Skeptics may be right saying he had a burst of DMT when he awoke from coma and he might have made the "dream" in a few minutes before being totally lucid. My 2€cent worth thought...
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Rondele Ex Member	Re: A Neurosurgeon writes of his NDE Reply #12 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 9:28pm The TV show 20/20 tomorrow night at 10 Eastern time will feature Alexander and his experience. R
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Reply #13 - Oct 26^th, 2012 at 7:31am

Thanks for the info, Rondele.

Interesting. All of a sudden, it seems like this sort of thing is all over the TV. Why now? Maybe there is something to the ideas of 12-12-12 world changes Wink

The culture does frustrate me in that it seems to take an Exeter/Duke/Harvard Med kind of path to impress the "people" into listening. Undoubtedly this will lead to expanded discussion on this., though as Claudio points out, it will bring the nay-sayers out in force. (they will pobably claim that the relevant date is 10-31! Smiley

). Another person getting media attention now is MAry Neal, also an MD. Why doesn't ABC have Anita Moorjani? though I gues she has gotten to play John the Baptist here. Also the young boy, Colin, from that book Heaven Can Wait (I thinbk) has gotten TV exposure. This culture is so celebrity driven that it looks to certain personalities rather than to straight evidence.

Still all of this is happening rather quickly now.And if our souls make these choices for us, then both Eben's and Mary's made tough roads for them. (Mary lost a son , and she saw that in her NDE before it happened.) Wonder where it is all going?

So I plan to watch tonight. Will we all be there? Is this almost as good as meeting at the crystal?

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Mogenblue Senior Member Offline dutch spirit Posts: 370 Amsterdam Gender:	Re: A Neurosurgeon writes of his NDE Reply #14 - Oct 26^th, 2012 at 8:09am Not me, Lucy. I'm on the other side of the splash. But if you look carefully in your crystal you might see me smiling there.
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