NMM wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 2:37pm:...traditional concepts of heaven, hell, definitive singular after death experiences, etc.
Ancient Vedic texts of the Indus Pennisula also have demons and angels as good and evil devas. There are afterlife realms of good and evil. In ancient Sumer, Greece, and in all Semitic cultures and in Nordic and Celtic cultures there were beliefs regarding afterlife realms separating the good and the evil spirits.
Quote:My understanding is that Mr. Moen had similar experiences to Mr. Monroe and espouses a similar "universe view."
Bruce Moen can and might choose to speak for himself on this subject but on this site he has posted that he found OBE difficult. His experience is not the same as Monroe's who phased or internally projected into the microcosm rather than the macrocosm. Monroe on the other hand did not imply that he could do soul retrievals. I do not find their experiences parallel.
Frank Keppel from Astral Pulse took money and disappeared with it , after promising to teach courses. He and Aidan mutinied and banned Robert Bruce from his own site and Robert Bruce built Astral Dynamics. Aidan copied a chapter of Robert's AD into his "book" and asked Robert to agree to that as if Aidan had written it but of course the publisher would not agree to plagiarism. Frank bullied and ridiculed all those who wrote on AD about projection or clairvoyance and banned a large group of Bruce supporters after Aidan took over the site AP. Frank posted that he 'felt' experiences from internal phasing.
Frank debated with me concerning angels and afterlife realms and baited me asking me to prove it. We agreed to concurrently project. He was an anchor having little ability or light but we linked and I took him to the Gates of Death where he claimed he could see some angels and something of that realm. However, he then posted that he could teach others to see and work with angels and how to fly to the Gates of Death, which was not the case.
Quote:Such views are contradictory to established historical views of heaven, hell, Asgard, 1,000 virgins (or clusters of grapes), or whatever afterlife is promised-either reward or punishment.
Monroe was an atheist whom changed his mind at the end of his life regarding Godhead and wrote that he believed in God, then. As did Carl Jung who having survived NDEs wrote The Red Book professing an interest in all things mystical and a deep faith which he attempted to instil in his daughter.
Quote:More confusing is that many posters seem to hold established views-especially Judeo-Christian, yet write extensively of views and experiences that are counter to those views if not wholly contradictoryI do not find it so contradictory. Within these religions there is a wide scope of beliefs. For example; reincarnation was a belief held by Gnostic Essene Jews. Christ in the Gnostic Apocrypha teaches regarding reincarnation and ascension.
The Bible is a collection of books written by diverse authors some of whom contradict each other but within the Bible there is magick;
The 3 Magis
Biblical Emerald Tablet
Three Fold Cord; Ida, Pingala, Sushumna
Silver Cord and Golden Bowl
Solomon's Ring of Exorcism
Prognosticative Dreams , Revelations
Visions
Communication with Spirit
et cetera.
[quote]No benevolent deity (Yahweh, Allah, etc.) with only two options for us: heaven or hell. No earthly similar afterlife as the Egyptians believed.
I do not care what Monroe or Toltec believed or changed their minds to include. Go and see for yourself. There are afterlife realms and these include Hels and Heavens. There are benevolent archangels and the Elohim and Avatars. Learn to see clairvoyantly and to fly in projection and then know.
Quote:I find many of these personal suppositions and simple restating of the Bible, Koran, or other old texts (forum postings) to be of little or no value to my quest.
Mohammed spoke of flying in a merkabah like Ezekiel and Elijah spoke of and conversing with Gabriel the archangel as he toured the cosmology. There is magick in the Koran, too.
All of these ancient Sacred Texts are based upon mystic experiences of the very real afterlife realms and the other dimensions, of angels and demons of hels and heavens. These are not a Christian or Jewish or Islamic or Abrahamic in general construct. The Tree of Life is universal . It is the spine of each human and the scaffolding upon which the cosmology of the realms is decked. In the solar plexus there is the microcosm. Outside of the body there is the macrocosm. The 7 chakras of the Hindu Vedic texts became the 7 golden lampstands of the Jewish texts. et cetera.
Angels ,Demons,heavens and hels are part of Hinduism which lead to Buddhism and part of all the Abrahamic religions, too.
I am clairvoyant and I am a mystic. I have projected to afterlife realms with clairvoyant peers to tour them and learn and what I experienced there was confirmed by my peers who projected with me in circle. Until one flies to the Higher Planes, how can they be expected to accept the proof of another.
"To those who believe no proof is necessary, for those who do not no proof is possible"
Being religious is not such a bad thing. Study of the Sacred
Texts with discernment is enlightening. I suggest it to you.