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Reply #15 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 12:16am
 
Vicky wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 11:37pm:



I haven't read much of William Buhlman, not for a while anyway.  Does he also write about retrievals??

I'm pretty sure I have a book of his on my shelf.  I'll have to dig it out and take a look at his work again. 

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I think William Buhlman is great!  Check out his YouTube Video’s, there are tons of them.  He still does talks at the Monroe Institute.  I don’t think he’s into retrievals, but he does refer people to Bruce Moen when the subject comes, and he talks about the same method that Bruce writes about.

Frank Kepple (now moved on) is one I’m really glad I found.  I can’t recommend his works highly enough.  Bruce Moen, though, is tops as far as retrievals.

http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/the_frank_k...
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Reply #16 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 1:11am
 
SHSS wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 12:16am:
Frank Kepple (now moved on) is one I’m really glad I found.  I can’t recommend his works highly enough.

I have to object. Since I've read almost everything Kepple wrote, I must
say, something is wrong. I even took the time to write two reviews on
the Kepple "PDF" and on his newsletters.

I would say that Kepple's writings raises so many question marks
that any reader of his material should think twice.

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Also, as you know, the site name astralpulse is composed of Robert Bruce's concepts,
the Astral Wind and the Akashic Pulse.

Over the years I've seen comments from people, who have mentioned that
perhaps Kepple was there to function as an opposition to Robert Bruce,
who sort of was pushed out of the astralpulse site. You judge that.

Kepple was seen on some other forum, but mostly was an astralpulse guy.

Then some time passed, and Kepple disappeared.


It could be an idea to think twice.
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Reply #17 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 1:35am
 
Thank you PauliEffectt.  Interesting, I had no idea there was all this going on, hmm.  I’ll look these over tomorrow.   Kiss
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Reply #18 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 2:02am
 
SHSS,
Thanks for the links.  This is absolutely crazy!  I know I have his book Adventures Beyond the Body.  After I posted to you I went to look for it on my shelf and then realized I'm "friends" on FB with him, ha ha, so of course I have his book.  But I can't find the gosh darn book anywhere.  This always happens.  The one thing you're looking for goes missing mysteriously.  Of course, my bedroom isn't the most organized of places.    Roll Eyes

Thanks for bringing him up though.  I'm back on my OBE kick and going to re-read all I can to stimulate the process.
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Reply #19 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 1:30pm
 
Perhaps this thread about Frank Kepple should be considered.

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1290101682

Regarding there being a being like God, even Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen wrote about a creator. Here's something I wrote.  It isn't about God, but speaks about Source Being at the beginning.

http://nondualityisdualistic.com/articles-2012/why-we-go-through-a-creative-proc...

Vicky:

Are you confusing William Buhlman with Frank Kepple?
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Reply #20 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 1:39pm
 
To PauliEffectt:  You appear to feel very strongly about the Frank Kepple material, and I respect your opinions, but I can honestly say that I resonate very strongly with Franks’ views.  My own experiences are very close.  Not exact, by any means, but probably closer than any other person I’ve read.

After having struggled for years to consciously leave my body the old fashioned way with no results what-so-ever, I discovered phasing while meditating, and presto!  So when I found Frank’s writings, they just reinforced what I had already been experiencing.

Apparently, many of us are different, which makes life interesting, but phasing during meditation and/or simply waking up, or becoming lucid during dreams has been right for me.  The old way of paying too much attention to the body held me back.

I don’t agree with everything anyone has to say, for I have my own experiences.  For example:  I’ve found that we use many different types of bodies for experience, and so what some may call aliens, and/or other very differently appearing beings are quite real for me.  Imagination is real.

Anyway, what anyone has to say is all a matter of personal opinion, and isn’t that what it’s all about?  The main reason I got into this in the first place was/is to find my own answers.  If someone else has something to share on the subject, I’m all ears, but I always keep in mind that it’s just their opinion.  I don’t really know anything until I experience it myself.
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Reply #21 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 1:44pm
 
Vicky, you have the sweetest face.  I hope you find your books.  Yeah, I agree, reading and becoming totally absorbed in the OBE material seems to help some.  Wink
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Reply #22 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 1:49pm
 
recoverer wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 1:30pm:
Vicky:

Are you confusing William Buhlman with Frank Kepple?


Nope.  I googled William Buhlman and saw his book that I'm looking for that I know I have.  He's definitely who I remember reading years back.

I am not familiar with Kepple at all.
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SHSS wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 1:44pm:
Vicky, you have the sweetest face.  I hope you find your books.  Yeah, I agree, reading and becoming totally absorbed in the OBE material seems to help some.  Wink


Thanks for that compliment.   Smiley


PS--I just now found the book.  So happy to have it serendipitously in my hands again by way of this thread.  I've been wanting so badly to do more OBE work and writings.  I can see by the things I've underlined in his book that he has some things I was looking for, trying to remember, but couldn't remember where I'd read them.
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Reply #24 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 7:38pm
 
pauli,

I almost got frank kepples book that was on the internet but it came across like a real hard sell, like sites that sell work at home books. frank took a lot of peoples money and they never even got his book mailed or dwnloaded as he promised them.

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Reply #25 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 1:07am
 
Mandy wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 7:38pm:
I almost got frank kepples book that was on the internet but it came across like a
real hard sell, like sites that sell work at home books.

No book. The information I have, is that there never was any book.
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Reply #26 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 5:11am
 
NMM wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 2:37pm:
...traditional concepts of heaven, hell, definitive singular after death experiences, etc.

Ancient Vedic texts of the Indus Pennisula also have demons and angels as good and evil devas. There are afterlife realms of good and evil. In ancient Sumer, Greece, and in all Semitic cultures and in Nordic and Celtic  cultures there were beliefs regarding afterlife realms separating the good and the evil spirits.

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My understanding is that Mr. Moen had similar experiences to Mr. Monroe and espouses a similar "universe view."


Bruce Moen can and might choose to speak for himself on this subject but on this site he has posted that he found OBE difficult. His experience is not the same as Monroe's who phased or internally projected into the microcosm rather than the macrocosm. Monroe on the other hand did not imply that he could do soul retrievals. I do not find their experiences parallel.

Frank Keppel from Astral Pulse took money and disappeared with it , after promising to teach courses. He and Aidan mutinied and banned Robert Bruce from his own site and Robert Bruce built Astral Dynamics. Aidan copied a chapter of Robert's AD into his "book" and asked Robert to agree to that as if Aidan had written it but of course the publisher would not agree to plagiarism. Frank bullied and ridiculed all those who wrote on AD about projection or clairvoyance and banned a large group of Bruce supporters after Aidan took over the site AP. Frank posted that he 'felt' experiences from internal phasing.

Frank debated with me concerning angels and afterlife realms and baited me asking me to prove it. We agreed to concurrently project. He was an anchor having little ability or light but we linked and I took him to the Gates of Death where he claimed he could see some angels and something of that realm.  However, he then posted that he could teach others to see and work with angels and how to fly to the Gates of Death, which was not the case.

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Such views are contradictory to established historical views of heaven, hell, Asgard, 1,000 virgins (or clusters of grapes), or whatever afterlife is promised-either reward or punishment.

Monroe was an atheist whom changed his mind at the end of his life regarding Godhead and wrote that he believed in God, then. As did Carl Jung who having survived NDEs wrote The Red Book professing an interest in all things mystical and a deep faith which he attempted to instil in his daughter.

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More confusing is that many posters seem to hold established views-especially Judeo-Christian, yet write extensively of views and experiences that are counter to those views if not wholly contradictoryI do not find it so contradictory. Within these religions there is a wide scope of beliefs. For example; reincarnation was a belief held by Gnostic Essene Jews. Christ in the Gnostic Apocrypha teaches regarding reincarnation and ascension.

The Bible is a collection of books written by diverse authors some of whom contradict each other but within the Bible there is magick;
The 3 Magis
Biblical Emerald Tablet
Three Fold Cord; Ida, Pingala, Sushumna
Silver Cord and Golden Bowl
Solomon's Ring of Exorcism
Prognosticative Dreams , Revelations
Visions
Communication with Spirit
et cetera.

[quote]No benevolent  deity (Yahweh, Allah, etc.) with only two options for us: heaven or hell. No earthly similar afterlife as the Egyptians believed.


I do not care what Monroe or Toltec believed or changed their minds to include. Go and see for yourself. There are afterlife realms and these include Hels and Heavens. There are benevolent archangels and the Elohim and Avatars. Learn to see clairvoyantly and to fly in projection and then know.

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I find many of these personal suppositions and simple restating of the Bible, Koran, or other old texts (forum postings) to be of little or no value to my quest.
Mohammed spoke of flying in a merkabah like Ezekiel and Elijah spoke of and conversing with Gabriel the archangel as he toured the cosmology. There is magick in the Koran, too.

All of these ancient Sacred Texts are based upon mystic experiences of the very real afterlife realms and the other dimensions, of angels and demons of hels and heavens. These are not a Christian or Jewish or Islamic or Abrahamic in general construct. The Tree of Life is universal . It is the spine of each human and the scaffolding upon which the cosmology of the realms is decked. In the solar plexus there is the microcosm. Outside of the body there is the macrocosm. The 7 chakras of the Hindu Vedic texts became the 7 golden lampstands of the Jewish texts. et cetera.

Angels ,Demons,heavens and hels are part of Hinduism which lead to Buddhism and part of all the Abrahamic religions, too.

I am clairvoyant and I am a mystic. I have projected to afterlife realms with clairvoyant peers to tour them and learn and what I experienced there was confirmed by my peers who projected with me in circle. Until one flies to the Higher Planes, how can they be expected to accept the proof of another.

"To those who believe no proof is necessary, for those who do not no proof is possible"

Being religious is not such a bad thing. Study of the Sacred
Texts with discernment is enlightening. I suggest it to you.
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Reply #27 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 10:16am
 
Thank you Aunt Clair, for the clearest, most authoritative and empirical description of the construct that I have read in a long time!
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Reply #28 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 11:41am
 
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"I do not care what Monroe or Toltec believed or changed their minds to include. Go and see for yourself. There are afterlife realms and these include Hels and Heavens. There are benevolent archangels and the Elohim and Avatars. Learn to see clairvoyantly and to fly in projection and then know."

Projecting/phasing into a belief territory and having a chat with one's favourite saviour can be quite convincing, but an astral thought form is built by the love, care and energy of their believers. Sort of like dreaming about having the most fantastic kiss, only to wake up and find out you're smooching the plastic lips of a doll. Chucky.
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Reply #29 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 1:39pm
 
I love the way you put that Bob.  Imagination is alive and well no matter where you might find yourself focusing, and sometimes all these archangels, ascended masters, saints, angels, and tooth fairies, can simply disperse and float away into nothing.
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