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Christmas Miracle (an ADC) (Read 16611 times)
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Reply #30 - Oct 25th, 2012 at 10:59am
 
When dealing with someone you know passing on, family member, friend, lover, and so on, the intensity felt could very well be more intense for the one passing on. Your physical and familiar identifications are not challenged the same way. Passing on is maybe not like going to the next class in school, but could be like graduating, and the ground disappears. You're still a mom, social worker, hobby pianist, careful shopper and look ravishing in red. The one passing on isn't a father anymore, and may find that many personal definitions were defined by the physical. Used to feel happy and having that reflected by smiling and hugging. Sadness reflected as baggy eyes, a frown, tears on the cheeks and a lip shaking like elvis' legs. Animalistic impulses mixing with spiritual impulses, now pure non-physical. How does he define himself now? What now, as the physical is no longer the main focus? The ones still in physical vessels may be dealing with physical and mental loss and yet have to go on with the physical as their main focuses, still on a day to day basis. I've found no conclusion as to why someone who gets by fine have contact/confirmations and somebody needing/craving it do not. Instead there are a lot of maybes, perhapses, could bes and don't knows.
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Reply #31 - Oct 25th, 2012 at 11:35am
 
I've heard of ethereal hands appearing, sort of wispy apparitions, but for a fully formed individual who is able to drive a vehicle......I also have reservations but Don was convinced of the authenticity of the person who relayed the story to him.

Unfortunately Leonard, who was the only eye witness to this event, had died by the time Don heard of the story.  And this seems to be a common thread re. stories of this kind....there never seems to be an independent objective eyewitness who can vouch for the story.

As I recall, it was one of Leonard's relatives who told the story as he/she heard it from Leonard. 

Are there alternate explanations for this fantastic ADC?  Yes, I'm sure there are and hopefully Don can present some of the possibilities.

R

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Reply #32 - Oct 25th, 2012 at 5:28pm
 
Rondele, I heard the story directly from Leonard after his wife hinted that Leonard had had an incredible ADC.  Leonard was a wealthy construction baron, a very down-to-earth man who didn't want to sound crazy.  So he hept his ADC to himself until I drew him out.  I pressed the issue because I was curious about why he was so emotional abouit other family health problems, but not about the death of his son's family.  Once he had shared the story with me, he decided to share it with his daughters as well; and one of them then shared it at hs memorial service.  Leonard was a very kind man, a man of absolute integrity.  His story reminds me of a simlar ADC experienced by the late actor, Telly Savalas.

In my view, the most important mysteries, are those which, if solved, would go a long way to shed light on the mystery of death and dying.  To my knowledge, no one has even tri research the patterns in any comprehensive way.
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Reply #33 - Oct 25th, 2012 at 5:39pm
 
Kubler-Ross told the story of being visited by a former patient who was by the time of the visit , deceased. They rode the elevator together up to K-R's office. I believe the story is in one of her books, but I heard her tell it in person. She was highly charismatic and the story was spell-binding. Not as impressive as driving a truck, but I do wonder how many such stories there are out there.

MAtthew, I agree that some perception issues may be involved but I have trouble defining what a baseline of perception should be. Does it occur in that interface where physical and spiritual meet? Then there is no such thing as objective perception. and I've heard that even witnesses to crimes can have trouble agreeing on what happened. And face recognition of strangers can be poor.

Science gets around this by demanding repeatability.
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Reply #34 - Oct 26th, 2012 at 2:40pm
 
Don-

Sorry for mistake, but since you heard the story directly from Leonard it certainly adds to the credibility.

The Savalas ADC was equally amazing, I was lucky enough to hear him describe it on a radio program many years ago, shortly after it happened.  I'll never forget it.

There's no doubt that entities, not just angels but regular people, can manifest in a physical way.  The burning question will always be the rarity of such occurrences.

Obviously Leonard's son didn't appear to him without some sort of help or direction or permission.  Or for a reason far different than simply the objective of providing comfort.

Otherwise we'd all be visited by deceased loved ones, since we all would benefit from direct evidence that they are alive and well.  Which raises the obvious question that should be contemplated-maybe providing comfort is NOT the reason behind ADCs......

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Reply #35 - Oct 26th, 2012 at 6:58pm
 
R,
(1) Leonard's deceased son, Jeff, emerged from the ditch by his home and asked to drive Leonard around in his old truck "for old time's sake.". Jeff described his finanicial investments so his Dad would have an easier time settling his estate. Jeff then reassured Leonard that the family was all together (his wife Karen and 2 children) and that they were all OK).  This conversation happened, while Jeff was driving down Cty. Rte. 37 towards Rochester, NY.  At some point, Jeff turned right down a less traveled road, drove 2 more miles, and then stopped the truck, saying, "I'm sorry, Dad; I'm not permitted to go any further."  Jeff then got out of the truck, walked towards a clump of bush, and dematerialized. 

Who was giving permission and setting limits for this astounding ADC?  Jeff never explained.  But clearly the intervention of this "guide" made this drama happen; so Jeff could not simply exercise super-human creativity to drive the truck; nor coiuld his wife Karen the next day ,when she accosted a weeping Leonastting on a log rd in the woods by his home, made a branch crack to alert him to her presence, and said, "Why are you still grieving?  Didn't we tell you we're all OK?  You get back in the house with Mom and comfort her!"  It seems that only a few have such a gifted guide and therefore cannot manifest in this spectacular way.  Like attracts like in the afterlife.  Did Jeff attract this guide due to his own faith,  Leonard's faith, or both?  I don't know

Let me add this parallel: For the benefit of her Mom uncle, and aunt, Tami H. somehow imprinted her name and a smiley face on the dollar bill in the mini-mart.  Similarly, the deceased sprit driver gave Telly Savalas a dollar to pay for enough gas to drive his car home.  .

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Reply #36 - Oct 26th, 2012 at 9:23pm
 
This reminds me of something I read in 'The Autobiography of a Yogi' by Yogananda.
He described how his deceased teacher Sri Yukteswar was allowed a brief moment to re-appear to him and tell him he was all fine. He told him life in the afterlife was beautiful and that there are spheres overthere that are seperated like water from land and land from air.
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Reply #37 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:41pm
 
For me, Tami's regular appearances in dreams to converse with her Mom establish what should be the goal for the dying to comfort and reassure their families.  Just prior to the Christmas dollar miracle, she appeared from the waist up and lamented, "I'm sorry, Mom; it's becoming increasingly harder for me to manifest to you as I progress over here.  This must be my last visit."  Then Tami somehow imprints her name with a smily face on the dollar in Minimart change fo Rick to bring back to her Mom as a spectacular final goodbye.  This--and cases like Leonard's visit from his dead truck driving son and the next day from his son's wife--are powerful attestations to what is possible. 

To me, all the speculation on the other thread as to why such powerful verifcations are so rare rings hollow--except for the ES-Robert Bruce discovery of memories becoming dormant for most at a certain phase of the postmortem adjustment phase.  The fact that Leonard's son and his family, like Tami, died prematurely strikes me as a decisive factor that may delay the dormancy process as the deceased linger longer (get temporally stuck near the earth plane?)  as a result of the surprising trauma of premature death. 


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