http://www.christianpost.com/news/neurosurgeon-who-doubted-afterlife-now-convinc...

yeah he's director of research at TMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsSYpuUh_iI&feature=youtu.be

I assume he is still there, a quick perusal of the Newsweek article didn't seem to uncover that bit of info.

harvey wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 1:10am:



.ninemsn.com.au/world/8545600/doctor-sees-heaven-in-out-of-body-journey

This is the first NDE I've encountered in which someone can't recall his earth life.  Does his diseased brain somehow determine the shape of his NDE (riding on a butterfly, etc.)?  Typical elements of his experience include: new colors, a sense of greater vividness than healthy earthlife consciousness, a different experience of time, at one point, encounters exclusively with deceased friends and family memberls, and an experience of PUL emanating from what seems to be God and Christ.

The initial experiience of an underground cave with roots hanging from above intrigues me.  I've heard about similar experiences, perhaps misidentified as hell, a nd wonder if this is archetypal.  The butterflies also seem archetypal, a symbol of resurrection life from a cocoon.  In fact, archetypal experiences seem very common in NDEs (e. g. Colton Burpo's NDE at  age 4).  Our grasp of the nature and role of archetypes does not seem to have advanced much since Carl Jung; and his analysis, though brilliant, is still rather rudimentary.  I will probably buy Eben's forthcoming book.

Don

I didn't realize when I first posted this, that Alexander was director at TMI now.  That is quite a change from neurosurgery (which is fine).  I would hope that he brings his scientific background with him to create reasonable controlled studies in consciousness. 

It  is clear that what we perceive (butterfly girls, earthworm views, etc.) is very much influenced by our belief systems and perceptual abilities when we are in a mental plane.  So one thing I don't look for personally is to adopt another person's idea of heaven. 

One of my closest friends is a neurosurgeon in NY.  They are a small tight-knit community (not many training slots in university programs).  I plan to get some information about him, just out of interest.


Matthew

Ordered Alexander's book and just got it in the mail yesterday.  So far seems very persuasive, genuine and...well scientific, I guess. 

Do you really think he's just doing it for the money?

The TV show 20/20 tomorrow night at 10 Eastern time will feature Alexander and his experience.

R

Not me, Lucy. I'm on the other side of the splash.
But if you look carefully in your crystal you might see me smiling there. 

not to worry...program will be on-line at some point...

Also BBC News had to one-up ABC they had a phone interview with Alexander after I posted....it may be on their website now, they put their stuff there but I didn't check yet...

whoa looking for that, I see that Alexander is all over the news! Amazing!

Thanks Calypso , can't get site to load right now, must be busy!!!! I will try later.

The video address the critique of a skeptic named Sam Harris.  Such skeptics lso often forget the powerful verifications accompanying NDEs.  Thus, Harris's critique of Eben Alexander's NDE overlooks the presnce of his late biological sister on the butterfly wing.  Eben was adopted before he even knew he had such a sister, but confirmed her existence, appearance (through photos), and death, when he finally met his  birth family. 

Don

Bernardo's site is interesting.

In all this discussion, I find something puzzling. The materialists insist that the only form of existence is material, and that conciousness therefore ends at death.

All the arguments around this seem to focus on the dying end of things. But the whole argument seems to me to be based on something I have long considered to be an untestable assumption: the life, and therefore conciousness, begins at conception.

I know of no known properties of atoms that really would explain why life seems to begin when a sperm and an egg get together in a particular fashion. Atoms combine with atoms and molecules with molecules all the time without generation of (human) conciousness. There must be something else going on in humans. And although genes explain a lot about how molecules get organized and flow around, genes really don't explain the impetus for that flow.

So, philosophically at least, I don't understand the resistance to thinking that conciousness might operate outside the body, since I see no basis for thinking it originates in the body. We just always assume it does, and I don't think that is verifiable.

pedigree thanks for the links

pretty interesting Dr. Alexander visits Dr Oz. (Is that everything from A to Z? : D   )

So, there is another clip there  about how to experience that Heaven without having a near-death experience. And Dr. A then proceeds to say the way to do it is to use binaural beats.

I was a little disappointed because in the TMI recordings I have used, I have never visited that butterfly place or anything near to it! I sure would like to! without nearly dying too.

So I am wondering a couple of things.

Because of his NDE, does Eben Alexander have a much different experience with binaural beats than I do?

Another thing is, without explaining how to use the beats to achieve this, will those who try and don't see butterflies be even more cynical about the reality of the NDE experience?

Is it that the recordings that are easily available do not have the frequencies that enable one to reach a deep enough state to "see butterflies"? I think tgecks has made complaints to that effect before.

The binaural beat recordings offered are not labeled TMI but come from another source. I have not tried them.

Comments, anyone?

Lucy wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:35am:


Hi Lucy,

Eben is the head of research at TMI ,as you pointed out, so just mentioning binaural beats would get people quickly looking them up on the Internet finding Hemisync as one of the most popular out there. A bit of marketing in a round about way I'd say

Binaural Beats are a tool that may or may not help you achieve a certain level of awareness. If you keep at it for the long haul I'd say they will definitely have an effect with trial and error. The thing is with our Western mind set we want things accomplished straight away so when after a few tries it doesn't work we give up. I would say to you put aside half an hour everyday for 3 months and  if it doesn't work after the 3 months  then I'd give up on one frequency and try another. Looking at it as a long haul scientific approach is the key. Also don't fall into the trap of thinking that there is some butterfly place 'out there' where Eben visited. It is the experience not the seemingly objective reality you are looking for.If you have a genuine intent to grow in awareness you will get all the help you need

This is a link to a great a workshop talk by Tom Campbell , who helped create Hemi sync at TMI, which  starts about the use of Binaural beats and experiencing the Greater reality. http://youtu.be/lRar8IOwic8?t=21s

Any questions ask.

Lucy wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 4:35am:


I will try

5 THOUSAND TIMES

If it takes 5 THOUSAND ONE TIMES that is one too many.

I Haven't read the whole book yet but, hey, why should that stop me from beginning to write about it?

There have been several discussions here ...or at last comments...over time about the use of the phrase "unconditional love ". I think the term is redundant to some people or seems to have obscure meaning.

Alexander (easier to type EA) touches on the phrase as being an essential component of what he learned in his experience. He writes in part (P.71-73)

Quote:


So there are at least two questions to consider:

Are NDEs real?

and

What are the messages people bring back from their experiences and what is the significance of those messages?

Quote:


or maybe I just wanted to start a conversation about the book....

DocM wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 10:35am: