Hello Bob,

You must have a very strong and conscious concentration to keep all the bad types away.
What I am always curious about with OBE's is if nothing bad happens to your physical body when you are gone. Doesn't any bad guy try to take it over when you are gone?

It's interesting to read that you have visited so many heavens and dark spaces and even went into space.

If you move to a higher sphere, a higher heaven, does your appearence then change too? Like do your clothes change from regular present day clothes to the ancient Roman style robes? As I understand spirits from the higher spheres all wear such Roman style robes. Do you know what I mean?

Thank you for sharing that.

I have read the book 'The education of Oversoul 7' by Jane Roberts and she describes something similar to the shape and size of the soul.
In the books of Jozef Rulof the shape of him and his masters is always the form of the human body but the clothes change to ancient Roman robes in the higher spheres. It's not excluded there to change shape and form, on the contrary, they said that knowledge is brought to Earth by various people/channels/spirits and they don't want to repeat or confirm each others work. So they complement each other and you just have to work out yourself what you can accept or not.

I myself have only the experiences of my dreams, I've never had an OBE or so. Last night I saw a late aunt in almost the same shape when she was alive on Earth only then she was clearly changed into a man, and it didn't bother me at all. At that moment I was more involved with the message she/he was sending me.

Things are really much more fluent when you are out of your physical body.

It's very nice to be able to listen to planets. I fully accept that. In Rulof's books they wrote that every planet has a different feel or drive when you enter it's perimeter/atmosphere (most planets don't have an atmosphere). I think I probably read that in The Origin of the Universe and they said that there is a meaning to that. When you are out there that meaning is always clear to you, but it's not so easy to put that into words.
Especially within the context that you need hundreds of planets throughout the universe for your soul to develop from it's origination to the fully shaped form here on Earth. On each planet you need thousands of incarnations. They tell a lot in 'The Origin of the Universe' but they also say that to tell everything they would need thousands of books as each insight brings up new questions.

Most noticable is that to educate yourself in the spheres of light they said you can be lying down for months on end listening to what a flower has to tell you about it's evolution.
So, I'm reasonably open to things that look very weird from an Earth point of view. I love to keep my feet one inch in the ground, but there are things that are a bit too far beyound my grasp.
In another topic on this board we are discussing the concept of parallel incarnations. That's a thing that really breaks my head. It's well possible that if I'm out there myself things may fall into place, but here on Earth I am very linear in my thinking as to the evolution of my soul. It just does not feel right for my common sense.

I will just wait until I finish my incarnation here and when I finally arrive overthere I'll get me a ticket to the stars. 

You said the hells held a peculiar fascination to you. I'm also very interested in that. Many times in my dreams I am in a dark environment. I don't interpret that as being in a real hell but more in a lower or subconscious state of being, something like the twilight zone with it's attunement to the dark spheres.
Although those spheres are dark there is always some kind of light around so that you are still able to clearly see things around you.
I have never been in my dreams to any of the real lower spheres. In A View into the Hereafter they showed that your body changes shape according to the sphere you are going down to, like your hands change into claws. Pretty gory stuff. Master Alcar is very experienced in that, he can go very deep into the lower parts. It's all a matter of concentration.
Dante also described much of it in his 'Comedia Divina'.
Could you tell something more of your experiences about that?

Finally, you said you have no control over what state you will be in when you go. I would like to say that I don't try to have control over my state when I dream. I think it takes away the natural part. If I would try to control things I would stop being able to experience everything that comes natural to me. It's like blocking everything out that I would want to experience so much. It would be nice to have some kind of control over where you go or what happens to you, but it's a matter of give and take. I prefer the natural way because it gives me much and is easier to go by. And it's natural.

There are always closed-minded Harveys out there.  Banning won't do much good because they creep back in, with another name or in another form.

Hey Harv, it takes a lot to put your personal experiences out there on a forum.  If anything most of us want more posts from Bob and others to share their experiences with us.

We all live in our own minds even if we really believe we live in the physical world.  How people explore their inner space, or the physical outer space is varied and intensely personal.  It is obvious that your "truth" calls these voyages "BS", but there are real explorers out there.  So don't disparage them.  If you don't experience their reality - fine.  You can compare notes.  But expressions such as "fanciful BS" are meant to shut down the communication or disparage and are, in a word unwelcome.


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I forgot to mention, I think the buddhists have a concept related to these ideas, and it is called "turning poison into medicine" if I am remembering it correctly.

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You are funny dr. Bob. Try to think above your belly button for a change.

This used to be a nice place to converse...moenroe, your posts are simply profane.

DocM wrote on Oct 4^th, 2012 at 9:20am:


Indeed.

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hypocrite

Applause!

Love superior is all there is, everything else is an illusion, except when something challenges the said greatness, and removal will maintain the illusion about a love superior. Are there more ways to avoid the walk but extend the talk?

Awakening from slumber, Love slowly realizes something painful: it's embrace is narrower than imagined. The dreams were greater, more grandiose, than what could be brought back and put into the waking world.

Armed to the teeth with love, but there are simply too many dentists in this world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUWOqr_AJvI

You can read all of the books until you reach a point where they no longer serve their purpose.
Went through a phase where the more I learned, the less I knew.

Back to a "zero point". From there, learned that true spirituality is "caught" and not from reading a lot of books.  If a person wanted to argue a point with me, I would be clueless as ever.    You also reach a point where you go beyond "labels" and fixed ideas.

Found that labels impose a limit on whatever or where ever  the label is applied.   They also add to your filters which usually have a lot of built in limitations.  You learn to be quite content being without an answer because the answers have already been there long before  you asked the question.
"Answer me a question"

You reach the point where time ceases to exist and everything becomes a series of NOWs.

There are no yesterdays or tomorrows. Just the now.
Think of your current life as an unabridged book. You can thumb back or skip forward.  As you learn at the current moment in your time frame, you are always revising your life's script along the way.  With that, you start operating from a much higher perspective as you become aware of this.

If somebody came along and told me that black is now white. So be it. Black shall be white until it's revised with another label because it is no longer important.

In any type of disagreement, I always let the other person win by default, because that is not important either.   Were never the same person we were a few seconds ago. 

As for ego... That's still a problem for me. Was kinda hoping that it would fade out too. It's still a pesty thorn in my side and another lesson to be mastered.

Meanwhile, please don't drive around with your brights on please don't forget those damn turn signals !!  Love Bob 

  Oh Volu..i mean Bob Moenroe, how i've missed you and your quips so.  All parties eventually lead to One party my friend, and along the way being clever is no real substitute for being wise, unless one simply aspires to being a wise-arse.  Some do i hear, but they eventually grow up, though not always in this particular life. 

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This Just in, Volu me? Clever is often funny as long as it tickles the right way, and wise-arsed when different than preferred. In such a case, proposed tolerance is tested. The irony is how Big Love becomes just words when challenged.

Big Love: I love everything. It's absolute.
Quip: Oh yes, you've been taking it like a champ. Get on your knees and I'll serve you some warm lunch.
Love: Well, not that, but I love everything else, like warm sunny days and walks on the beach.

Growing up is as a subjective view in a sea of subjective views as there are parrots parroting being a responsible parent. I'm all ok with opinions like hypocrite, adolescent, aggressive, profane, nonsensical and so on. But whether clever, no frills, some other way, the bigger and interesting issues in this thread are presented by the other Bob.

Hey a channel for Justin, I like personal conversations because they are like the note you ended on, real. But I'd like to keep with the topic first. My take on growing up is to take a walk outside the castle, see that there are fun and games indeed, also elements that are hard to deal with. That's the whole point in a nutshell: love that is said to be all encompassing, but really isn't, well, it isn't. That's not pain, the cheapening pisses me off. People that both talk about and demonstrate a bigger love, that's another story. And for the observable reader, of course what is a bigger love is my subjective view as you have yours. The recent post by Thomas, I find that touching.

Missed you too dude, and missed this place. What you up to these days? There are many spiritual boards, but the people here make it different than others. I needed to take a break because of professional life. Work wise I'm a yes man plus, but can't do all the work for everybody. Changing for the better now, and maybe a new job. I still like the more difficult topics the best, but I obviously do not run the show by any means.  If someone think it gets heavy, there's no need to reply. Others can focus on what they like. AND lighter topics can both be started and continued to suit other interests. AND lighter topics getting heavy, no need to follow up on that, but keep up with the lightness.

Thanks for keeping it realz.

Please don’t change  Bob !

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  It's hard to channel this Justin entity..sometimes he is so dense, and other times so lite, bit of an extremist even yet.   

  I can understand the frustration with the cheapening of the concept of love, and especially the hypocrisy that is so common in the New age and religious scenes.  I also really enjoyed Thomas's post.

  Sounds like you are pretty busy nowadays.  I got to mention, something does feel a bit different about you, not sure how to describe it, maybe more calm, but that's not quite it either. 

  Me?  Same old, same old.  I don't post much here anymore myself, on account that some regulars don't seem to want me around, think me very unbalanced and a megalomaniac and other flattering things (really, i don't blame em), that and a lack of general interest.  For all my faults, i like to see and facilitate happiness for others, even it's removing self from the equation.

  My younger brother almost died recently, from a bad car accident, but has made quite a recovery.  Had a dream awhile before about a brother getting really hurt, almost dying, and a certain person facilitating a lot of healing for him.  However, was told by me dead Mom, that at one point in the beginning he had the opportunity to check out if he wanted to and was considering the option. 

  See ya around, maybe a bit here and there.