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Feb 23rd, 2012 at 6:28am
 
I was brought up in a Catholic community and when I was a kid, I used to get very frustrated at the lack of detailed answers from my superiors.

Some of the questions I used to ask when I was a kid were like.....

"What exactly happens when we die?"

"What's in heaven waiting for us and what kind of afterlife we will have? Is is solid there?".

"Is hell really made of fire and full of monsters?".

"Why a 3 year old kid dies and goes to heaven and the old bad man who lived till he was 70 ended up in hell? Is that fair?" (never heard about reincarnation until I was an adult)

"Why we have all the food on earth and those in 3rd word countries are starving to death?"

Anyway, these were the kind of questions that I never really got an answer when I was a kid. Obviously, now I do kind of  "know" some answers.

Then if you read the bible, for example, you do get some answers too, but nothing in detail! Just enough so that we understand...something like...You live a good life out of love and go to heaven. That is it! Or maybe, there are many rooms and many mansions. No more details! Transfiguration....how I wish they told us more, hehe.

Anyway, my point is this. I was wondering...what if, we were not given any more details, so that we are not conditioned on how we act in life? For example, if I tell my daughter....

"If you are good today, I'll have a surprise for you!" as compared too...

"If you are good today, I'll buy one of those My Little Ponies house complete with the garden and all the ponies. It will also be surrounded by real ice-cream and sweats and candy floss. Oh and your best friends will be there too and you can have all the fun in the world."

My point is that my daughter will 100% be good on that day, cause she knows exactly what she will be getting as a reward. Thus, being good on that day might not come from her free will, cause she knows what exactly she'll be getting as a reward.

On the other hand, if the surprise is just not known, then it wont have a huge control on her actions on that day. If she is good on that day, a large percentage of the actions will come mostly from her willingness to be good.

So, could it be that we don't know much so that if we do LOVE in this world, we do it out of our free will without being affected, or motivated by rewards?

Isn't pure unconditional love something we do without expecting a reward? Those of you that feel they know a lot about their afterlife...do you feel that you act out of love genuinely and purely, or because you know that if you do that, then you can advance in the afterlife and maybe become more, I don't know, whatever you think you will become?

What do you guys think? Have our memories and past life experiences been striped away and given very little info about the afterlife on purpose?

Maybe it depends on us, on our character, perceptions, believes, thoughts. Maybe for some it can be good, for others it can hinder. In my case, I can only see it (knowing a lot about the afterlife) as a benefit.

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Reply #1 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 7:03pm
 
Really great question!  Smiley
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Reply #2 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 12:52am
 
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What do you guys think? Have our memories and past life experiences been striped away and given very little info about the afterlife on purpose?

Maybe it depends on us, on our character, perceptions, believes, thoughts. Maybe for some it can be good, for others it can hinder. In my case, I can only see it (knowing a lot about the afterlife) as a benefit.

Greetings Wonderer.


   I consider the lack of previous existence knowledge to be very beneficial. We probably incarnate into this world with the memory block intentionally so we can have better concentration on what we need to accomplish during this physical lifetime.

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Reply #3 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 5:52am
 
Just Me wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 7:03pm:
Really great question!  Smiley


Thanks mjd. Lack of knowledge really frustrates me, but maybe at the end of the day, there is a reason behind it.

Ralph Buskey wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 12:52am:
I consider the lack of previous existence knowledge to be very beneficial. We probably incarnate into this world with the memory block intentionally so we can have better concentration on what we need to accomplish during this physical lifetime.
Ralph



Very true dear Ralph. However I think that this might also have a negative impact on many. When I was younger, I was totally lost. I had no idea what to do in life, where I came from and what my goals are. If I hadn't been determined to keep going, I could have ruined a life time of valuable lessons.

I can say that maybe the same applies to others. Not knowing might lead some to depression or wasting a life. Or even worse, some could be totally de-railed by not living a life according to the lesson plans.

But maybe that's how it's supposed to be. It feels like a game at times. Imagine throwing a baby on a small island full of good (like for example friendly dogs) and bad things (a wolf!) and this baby has to survive on this island not knowing where the heck he came from and not knowing what will happen to him. OK granted, we know more than that, but still, it's hazy!

Anyway, what I want to say is that this frustrates me most of the times and I am trying to find a reason why all these mysteries Smiley Having said that, a friend of mine who is an atheist does not need to know anything more and does not have any more questions. The same can be said of my wife whom is a devout catholic (more spiritual really and following Jesus words than following the cultural parts).

Imagine if, a light being would appear in full public view everyday teaching us, hehe. I guess then there would be no more Ifs and Whys and Whats...

True, we had great people coming over to teach us, like Jesus etc....but its 2000 years ago!!! Would be nice to have another one in our days Smiley

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Reply #4 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 11:26am
 
  Much of western religion never made much sense to me, besides the core themes of ethics and love.  Re: what you said towards the end of your post Wonderer--some more esoteric-metaphysical type authors and belief systems seem to think that around the beginning of every new astrological age, a "world teacher" shows up.  An astrological age roughly takes about 2200 years or so.

  Whether or not that is true for every beginning of an Age, i don't know, but i do know it was true for the last age.  Around the beginning of the Pisces Age, we had quite a Light Being show up. 

  But these things don't happen by accident.  Even here, Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like is involved.  There were specific groups back then that in a sense, "attracted" that Teacher in. 

  Re: this coming new age of Aquarius, one of the things i've gotten from Expanded Guidance is that the interesting thing about this cycle is the potential for a small percentage of people (plural) to achieve this and demonstrate their more full attunement to Source in obvious ways (complete healings and other so called "miracles").   

If you are interested, more detailed info can  be found on another post here at:

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1325847563
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Reply #5 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 4:55pm
 
Wonderer wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 6:28am:
"What exactly happens when we die?" "What's in heaven waiting for us and what kind of afterlife we will have? Is is solid there?". "Is hell really made of fire and full of monsters?". "Why a 3 year old kid dies and goes to heaven and the old bad man who lived till he was 70 ended up in hell? Is that fair?" (never heard about reincarnation until I was an adult)
"Why we have all the food on earth and those in 3rd word countries are starving to death?"

"Or maybe, there are many rooms" "
what if, we were not given any more details, so that we are not conditioned on how we act in life?
"

Isn't pure unconditional love something we do without expecting a reward? Those of you that feel they know a lot about their afterlife...do you feel that you act out of love genuinely and purely, or because you know that if you do that, then you can advance in the afterlife and maybe become more, I don't know, whatever you think you will become?

Have our memories and past life experiences been striped away and given very little info about the afterlife on purpose?

Hi Wonderer.
Welcome to the Bord. I`d like to offer my perspective for Dialogue, which I humbly say is no expert on my part, however may spark a few thoughts.

What happens when we die is: according to my experience almost compareable to what happens when we grow up. Theres a toddler Wonderer, whom advances to the child Wonderer, who advances to the teenage Wonderer, whom advances to Adult Wonderer. For each "phase" or "stage" of life the before ongoing stage is "dead", but is Wonderer really dead? Of course not. Very much so alive, however very much more "experienced" for the upcoming challenges of the "next stage".

Well for some people Hell is very much full of fire and monsters, considering what "they percieve" that to be. Again here, we are dealing with "perception", example as we live it out "in the flesh" here on earth. Lets say 1 exact same Scenerio, yet 2 different "people same age and gender", . The Szenerio: Wife divorces Husband, looses immediate contact to child". Husband #1 had very little contact to his child during the marriage prior to divorce. Husband #2 was a stay at home Dad and had been around his child 24/7. FOR Husband #2, whom has the same "HELL" as the Husband #1, will "percieve this HELL" as devastating, whereas Husband #1 "percieves" it as "Oh well, just another day", ergo "no Hell at all". Its all about how the individual Soul percieves his individual crossover and pertaining "thoughts/energies".

We dont "die"! Our earthly Vehicle is "traded in" for a better one. We have simply allowed "Religions" to scare us with the word "die".  The real YOU is not what you see in the mirror. he Real YOU is your SOUL. Heres an example: Your Car an old rusted Pinto (your earthly body) is your vehicle to travel down the many highways of life, right? You`re "using" the car (your body) to travel. Behind the steeringwheel sits the driver (Your soul). So when YOU the driver (Soul) has reached your point of desireing a shiney new Mercedes, you trade in the old one and get a new one. You dont really hurt over the fact that you just got rid of your old rusted Pinto, after the moment you have the steering wheel of the new Mercedes in your hands. BUT the DRIVER stays the same, its merely the Vehicle which has been "consciously" changed. (The 3 years old came here to do what it did and then leave, the 70 year old did the same thing as the 3 year old, with exception his Soul wanted to experience more in the flesh)

We have 3rd world country starvation, because these Souls firstly decided that they would play the Role of being in that situation because they experience things thru that Scenerio and secondly because we "collectively" have choosen to "experience what it feels like to know" that these people are starving till death and we will at some point "collectively" do something about it. Until then, people will starve and that because of "collective state in lack of the utilisation of our resources". In our world we "have an abundance" of everything, yet the "perception has not been achieved". Ask yourself why the Fast Food Chains "THROW away" what they dont sell by the end of the day? Grocerie Stores toss out food into garbage cans, even though they are not "spoiled"? Its a mashinary of greed. When we "collectively" begin to EVOLVE to "compassion over greed" thats when it stops.

Yes, aaaah, the Bible (one of my favorite history Books)....the Bible gives us hints to much. However the true Scriptures have been mutalated beyond recognition, and this by mankind. There are many rooms in Heaven..Matter of Fact Bruce tells us of the ones he knows of. We call it After Life. Some call it Realms, others Spheres others Heaven. But the Bible clearly allows one to understand that theres more "perceptions" than 1, by telling us "many rooms"...

Pure unconditional Love happens when you are at pure peace within, no matter what the other person infront of you does. Total acceptance. That is TRUE LOVE... =>LIKE OUR UNIVERSE displays with us, all the time, every day, every min. of our "adventure here in the flesh to experience all the emotions, understanding along the way until we have experienced what the real YOU, has experienced"

to your Point: Love/Reward. Well I can only speak for myself, but I am truthful in saying the more I progress in the matter of things, comprehending that we are essentially ONE, the more I have come to realise that IF I CAN HELP THE PERSON IN FRONT OF ME TO EXPERIENCE LOVE and to act out of it, then that means I too experience it. Of course this is tremendiously hard when one has to rid themselves of "templates" first. (What we have learned to adapt to thru lifes situations and peers) 

Hugs and sending lots of love,
(also to all of my wonderful friends here in this Bord).
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Reply #6 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 6:43am
 

Thank you for your feedback Justin and Nanner, much appreciated Smiley

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