Hi,

I am not an authority on any of this, but I do not believe that time really exists at all. I think calendars and clocks are mechanisms by which to "keep track" of events for clarity, but the "thing" being measured isn't really there.

I first came to question the validity of "time" as we know it as a child. I vividly recall having dreams which came true (although, at the time, I didn't know the word "premonition"). The only way that could make sense was there really is no barrier between now and "to be" and, if true, how could there be any between now and "what was"? As I've grown older, I've had more experiences that defy the "sense of logic" as we know it and I still can't figure out anything that suggests time is real (other than a place marker).

Regards,
mj

Focus27 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2012 at 6:45am:


Time is the medium of change.
(We must define our terms, or no one knows what the other or their selves are talking about, conversation has poor structure, is scrappy and loses meaning, it becomes just expressing vague energies)

Therefore, wherever there is change, there is time. There is change throughout all creation. In all dimensions, in all spheres, there is change and time. It's meaning is progress.

All change is cyclic, but with each turn is moved a little onward, making all change not just cyclic but spiralling.

And every rate of change - which is a line of time - spirals around the line of another rate of change, which is also a spiral. And each has rates of change spiralling around its own line. These are the lines of time, they are interwoven spirals, each running at a right angle to every other. For time is the rate of change of matter. (We must define our terms)

Every dimension exists at a right-angle to every other dimension. And so its rate of change (its line of time) spirals at a right-angle to every other dimension.

We hear of astral travellers who say they have been to planes beyond space and time. They have not. Space is the medium of existence, and time the medium of change. (We must define our terms.) Wherever there is existence, wherever there is presense, there is change, there is space, there is time. Even awareness takes time.

Their sensory phenomenon of being beyond time and space is an illusion. For every dimension's time/change/rate of change is linear (or else it would divide itself) making points along that dimension's line of time to be seen as differing distances from the viewer within that dimension. One point being now, and another point being in the past, and another point being even further in the past, and thus even further away in distance. But from an adjacent dimension, which exists at a right-angle to the subject dimension, and around which the other is revolving, those different points are the same distance away from the viewer, seeming to be at the same time. The illusion of being beyond space and time is thus created. One must travel through, across and above many dozens of spiralling dimensions to a very far out and high up view point to be see the full picture and to see that all dimensions have time-lines, and all dimensions exist at a right-angle to each other and their respective time-lines (rates of change) spiral around each other and at a right-angle to each other. So there is no past existing now, not anywhere. It only appears that way to the astral traveller who has been only a little way out (relatively, compared to much further out). The past can be viewed as if it is the same time as the present, but that is illusion of seeing only two or a few dimensions at a time. The past is gone, is past not present.   

Your question: Can the dead travel through time? The answer is usually no. The dead go to the place they are most comfortable with, or where they are most attracted to, and there do what they need to do, and when ready then move on through other places as is natural and desired by them. Some individuals can travel through time, whether they are dead or alive. But as said, it is not time travel as commonly thought of, but rather, travelling through different dimensions with different rates of time/change, from which perspective it can seem like one is travelling through time. But the truth is this: Now is now in every rate of time, from teh slowest to the fastest rate. It is the spirals and the right-angles that enable this to be, and it is also their relations to each other which makes it seem otherwise. 

How might I know this? I have seen all this and more because I happen to be able to leave the body, not just by clumsy means like a drunk falling out the door of his motor car and wondering where he is. But by controlled means. I have been through and over the astral planes, which although they are many and vast, they  are partial and collectively a place which can be bypassed. I have venture out in our space/time universe and then up through many many more universes and seen the structure of how their respective space, energy, matter and time intersect with each other and how it all moves along.          

There are many ways to leave the body. One's consciousness can leave via the solar-plexus centre, or the heart, or the head, or the crown. Each of these exits provides a different externalised consciousness. For we have many attributes and faculties to our consciousness, such as awareness, recall, choice, reason, calculation, transmission, ability to initiate force, etc, etc, and each centre/exit allows and prevents particular attributes and faculties to be externalised. Also we can just leave the physical body, and/or we can then leave the astral/second body too, and there is another body we can leave as well.  We can leave the bodies one after the other or we can exit them all simultaneously. And leaving each body gives us different conscious faculties. There are faculties that we do not have in our physical body which we regain when we exit via a certain centre. Exit via other centres cause us to lose even some of the conscious faculties we have in physical. And we can position ourself on our cord so that we are at the end of it and it runs back through our body to our so called higherself, or we can position ourself so that our cord runs through us with our body and higher self on either side of us. Depending on our positioning then our consciousness is different. I have done all of these. But I did not find them and do them all by my own exploration and initiation, but I was shown them because I knew that I knew so little, and I wanted to know what I did not know, and I had no preference for what the truth might be. That is the important sentence in this post, and that attitude is largely what enabled me to be shown all these wonderful things and many more.

The other thing I have that anabled me is belief. Not belief in a partial thing, or in anything in between the extremes, but in two essential things, oneself and God. Belief in self is belief in ones own existence, in the existence of one's own consciousness; and belief in God is belief in God the One, the All, the sum-total of all existence. (we must define our terms) Between these two beliefs lies the expanse of all existence. And we can find these two beliefs by looking out and looking in, and we can see that they exist by our awareness and by logic. Therefore they are awareness and belief and logic altogether. Bring these two beliefs of these two things, these two extremes, two poles, together in oneself and to the extent of one's faith (belief in self and God combined, the bringing of them together) all existence becomes knowable, because these two beliefs, the existence of these two extremes, encapsulate and give access to everything in between them, which is the expanse of all existence. And so our mind and heart and soul are opened up and made receptive. Our most wonderful teacher told us, first we must believe.      

These beliefs are not closed minded as so many say belief is a closed minded thing (and they are right, when belief is specific and partial), but belief in self and God (as defined) is open minded and all encompassing and leads to truth.

crossbow, thank you for your amazing missive.

Focus27...Marty McFly?  Really?

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Yes, it is called "parallel processing" by some.  Basically one simply slips into a state of mind that accesses a different time and in this case place.

Time does exist and has existed ever since the very beginning when consciousness first noticed a "before" and "after" state.  Space however, does not exist.  Space as we experience it here is defined by our physics/laws that creates separate objects, beings, etc. defined by volume and mass.

Kathy

I enjoyed Emanuel Swedenborg's discussion of his conversation with deceased people about time.  Apparently, when he tried to have a logical talk about time, they had no idea what he was talking about.  Freed from the earth-life system, they did not see reality as being bound by any temporal system.

The nearest they understood him was in terms of "state."  Swedenborg wrote that for them, they marked their own spiritual lives by changing from one state of being to another.   When pressed to describe measurements of this, or the concept of past, present of future, he stated that those he spoke with just didn't understand those ideas. 

So it does seem that we live in the ever present.  That we mark time by earthly events (births, deaths, the greying of hair, the passage of the earth and moon around the sun), but much of our current concept of time is unique to our consciousness embedded in a physical body. 

M

Hi MJ,

In my understanding all that really exists on a fundamental level is consciousness or rather a consciousness system (CS) or informational system of which each of us is a part of.  We are never separated from the whole of consciousness and therefore we always have access to it and it has access to us.  It may be easiest to think of it as information traveling along a line of communication between what we perceive as our self as a separate being and that of which we are continually a part of.  Some have used the analogy of being connected to the Internet where all kinds of information is accessible.  This is a great analogy except it only has us doing the connecting to a larger system, but it goes both ways.  The system is connected to us and many times we are "fed" or given information.

During our normal day to day activities we are continually changing our state of being and as we do so we are continually slipping into states where information from the CS system is able to flow to us easier than at other times when perhaps we are more focused on material things.  Most of us don't notice the subtle differences in our own thinking, and that of information coming to us, or if we do we are apt to discount and/or ignore it.  There are times however, such as in Rondele's cousin's case where what comes to us is so vivid that we cannot ignore it, at least not for long.  However, if we don't understand it we are likely to discount it as mere imagination.  Yet, it stays somewhere in the recesses of our memory and as we go on living and learning, things come up that help us slowly understand and spiritual growth is produced.

Events such as these are essentially growth producers.  That is what is intended by the larger CS.  Just because one has these "paranormal" experiences does not make them special or better, or even more capable than anyone else.  Only an ego would think such a thing.  Parallel processing is simply where our mind is "present" in two different time frames simultaneously.  Another way to say this is that R's cousin perhaps unknowingly accessed stored memory in the CS's historical database and the information was "fed" to his conscious mind.

Hopefully I've answered your questions without causing confusion.  If not, please feel free to ask more.

Kathy

george stone wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 2:00am:

That is an interesting questing George.

Here is some of what I understand of sleep. It might be food for thought for some.

Yes. Sleep as we know it here in this life, has its counterpart or reflection on all the planes of life. But there is such variance in the nature of the planes and the way life is lived upon that the nature of sleep on other planes is very different to the sleep we are familiar with here. We would barely recognise so of it as sleep, it might look well awake or it might look good and dead.

I am aware that in some astral planes where people like their sleep there is a sort of sleep and dreaming similar to as there is here. But naturally the soul's surrounding bodies do not dismantle when they sleep in the same way as they do here, and the purpose of their sleep is not the same as it is here. Whereas here sleep is required for the physical body to receive nourishment from the higherself, and for other reasons too, but in those planes it is more of a pleasantry or habit. They have another sleep which is their true sleep for their place; it comes about as they transition from place to place.

There is however, many planes and many life forms and many types of sleep. There are types of sleep in the afterlife that are essential for a soul's development, just as sleep is needed here. They are sleeps of rest, and of restitution and healing, and there are sleeps of contemplation too, and sleeps of what we might term assimilation. All types of sleeps, for different purposes.

Sleep of some sort, in some form, is required for all life, for sleep is part of the cyclic ebb and flow of life, the rise and fall, the fluctuation and oscillation of life and consciousness.

Depending on the type of life form, on its purpose, its body and plane of habitation, depends its type of consciousness it has and the type of sleep it does. And we might not even recognise its consciousness as consciousness, or its sleep as sleep, for there are so many different types of life and sleep.

I got told the other day by someone who aught to know that dolphins do their sleeping while awake? Now that is interesting. And we deciduous trees sleep, as do other trees and plants in their own way. While out of body I have seen that even planets sleep and breath and do other things that humans do (yes even sex) but in a way that is almost incomprehensible to us.   

The consciousness of every lifeform is a spectrum that ranges through the range of planes from course to fine which it inhabits. Consciousness requires to strum its spectrum of existence, to cycle through its "highs" and "lows", through its most wakeful times and least wakeful times. This is the wake and sleep cycle.

There is full consciousness at the height, unconscious sleep at the low. And dreams of many types, causes and purpose ranging between the high and low. Full consciousness does not dream; neither does unconsciousness. So most dreams are around the centre region, where sleep is not so unconscious and consciousness not so full.  Life, consciousness, sleep and dreams come in many forms, I suppose too many for anyone to describe them all.