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Thank you for answering so candidly, Justin.


crossbow

  Hi Mj,

  Thank you for the detailed and thoughtful reply.  I hope you can get some rest and relaxation soon.  No rush for checking this out btw.

  Re: brainwashing, i was curious if you saw what Recoverer (whom i know and think of as Albert and who i've met and hung out with) wrote earlier about ACIM.  He earlier pointed out that a man named William Thetford had quite a hand in both the creation and promotion of ACIM. 

  William Thetford was like Helen Schucman (the technical author of ACIM), a psychologist, but unlike Helen it's fairly well documented that William was strongly involved with what use to be a CIA black ops project called "MK Ultra".  MK Ultra we now know through the freedom of information act was involved in researching and testing out some rather shady and dark things like mind control and brainwashing. 

    They also liked to run real, live experiments on these black projects.  It is well known that more shadowy aspects of the U.S. government has run experiments on different portions of the civilian population at our ignorance, suffering, and expense.  Just ask some more aware and learned black folks about this historical disgustingness.

  While the CIA has good elements and people in it, it also takes direction from those more truly in power, and those truly more in power don't always have our best interests in mind.  The CIA has always been 'for hire' in a sense, and they have always recruited some of the most clever, secretive people around willing to 'lie and deceive' for a cause.  Sometimes that cause is truly patriotic and sometimes its about money or the more dark intents of those more truly in power (which often relate to materialism, greed, and lust for more power). 

  Anyways, interesting no that ACIM is so strongly connected to someone who was so strongly connected to a CIA black ops project like MK Ultra?   Interesting that both Albert and i, along with others, have realized that it tends to have a negative, unbalancing, and ego increasing "brain washing" effect, no? 

  There are those in and outside of this world that what to see others free and liberated (people like Albert and i), and there are those in and outside of this world who want to keep humanity in the belief system chains and hamster wheel of constant suffering and ignorance.   This is a very important realization that many have not yet come to the full awareness of.  Even some who are somewhat aware of this, tend to underestimate the latter group too much or underestimate the complexity of the problems and issues going on with this constant struggle.

  The solution, as i've mentioned before, is always two fold.  Awareness without fear, and then attuning to a more PUL kind of Love.   Once both of those are more practiced, then the solution contains an important 3rd part, being active in "retrieving" and trying to make others more aware of the issues, problems, and solutions. 

  It's no different in some ways, then in retrieving a person stuck inbetween the physical and the more expanded nonphysical dimensions.  It's about helping to free up limiting belief systems and raising awareness of both the problems and of the solutions.  It's about facilitating that which is unconscious in nature, into the conscious so it can be worked on. 

  Thank you for listening Mj

 

 

Justin,
"[...] as regards the core and cause of these motivations and intents, it still doesn't make sense to me."

I can't see all of the huge picture neither but I do recognize power addiction as a possible detail. Power over others becoming a drug.

"[...] so that i can act as a effective and true liberator and retrieving of others eventually."

The fellow eating burgers for breakfast, lunch, dinner and as a late night snack, every day, may or may not want to hear others' opinions of it, including speaking of options appearing as liberating to the liberator. Stopping is as valid as continuing, to the fellow. Force feeding carrots isn't valid, because that's a choice belonging to the fellow. A liberator is only so if agreed upon by the fellow(s). Saving if saving isn't wanted has an element of power over others. One of several areas of mine that's come more and more into focus is how I act and have acted in this way about others' religious beliefs, which isn't my choice. Not afraid to state thoughts about it, but when the motion of blabbing words morphs into pushing, it becomes imposing, justified by knowing what's right for someone else. Which is both funny and tragic considering knowing what's best for self can be like getting a glimpse of the loch ness monster.

"My friend Albert has as well (which is why we vibe so well, our ideals and intents being so similar).  I hope more humans hop on this bandwagon sooner than later, for this Earth needs all the help it can get."

Earth will manage, but it's up to individuals to step up to their potentials for progression, which can be seen in astrology charts. Potentials. Even when hoops appear, and it's clear they're one's own path hoops, it's the way to go, even the higher self/You can't force she/himself to make the little self and selves to jump trough them. Showing and telling someone about their perceived potentials is different than lacing it with sugar and "help" them to eat it even when stating no. Advices differ vibrationally from yin or yang commands in the sense that the outcome is up to the one given the advice.

Crossbow:

I haven't received a detailed explanation as to why unfriendly beings want to influence people in a negative way. I also couldn't provide you with a detailed description of the precise manner in which they exist. The best I can say are the following three reasons:

1. Because they like negativity they want it to flourish.
2. They get a sick sense of pleasure through creating problems for others. Sort of like a bully or sadist.
3. They suck energy from the people they trouble.

How about you? Have you found anything out about this during your astral travels?


crossbow wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 12:44am:

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Hi MJ,

You are correct.  You do have "enough sense to stop when something doesn't feel right... [and use your] own intuition to discern what is valid." You absolutely have that power.  Everyone does because it is intrinsic to our nature as consciousness.

Consider that we exist in a huge, (bigger than we can ever imagine) consciousness system, which is basically an information system where information comes to us in an immense variety of ways.  A metaphor that gives a fairly good example is the Internet.  Each of us is connected to and at all times exist within this consciousness system sort of like being connected to the Internet.  We have access to it (the CS consciousness system) and the CS has access to us even if we are not aware of it. Never at any time are we separated from it.  It is only our earthly physics (rules and laws) that make us believe we are separate. 

The various planes of the CS (including the earth system) is governed by rules and laws where limits are positioned to produce optimum spiritual growth opportunities for us as an individualized consciousness.  The system itself is set up to encourage optimal growth by providing a wide range of possibilities from which we can make free will choices.  Even though we appear to exist in a physical body with a brain that is capable of "filtering" information we actually exist at all times as a part of this huge CS.

We, as sentient beings receive information from this CS such as thoughts, ideas, feelings, intuitions, etc. all the time.  I think of this as information that is sometimes "fed" to us from which we can make free will choices from.  Ideas, for example, could exist on the outer fringes of our consciousness and we might grab hold of one and play with it in our mind in the form of thoughts to see if it is viable or not. If the idea seems worthy of consideration, we might think it through looking at all the potential angles, etc.

If the idea sounds like something we might want to put into practice, we could "try it on" for size to see how it works out. If the idea is a good fit and looks beneficial, we may incorporate it, or internalize it for future reference.  If it's not a good fit or if it doesn't work out at any time present or future, we can discard it.  All the while we are reacting to the information we receive, we are using our own intuition to guide us.  That guidance system is built-in. It's not something separate from us.  We use it all the time even when we are not aware of doing so, however, the more conscious we become of using it, the more beneficial and natural it becomes.

Sentient beings, having fear and ego do make choices based on fear and ego.  Sometimes it is difficult to tell if our choice comes from fear/ego or if it comes from love. However, as a sentient being we have built into us an automatic feedback system such as our nervous system that helps us to determine which choices are the most beneficial... which choices are the most profitable to evolve within our being.  Positive and negative influence is everywhere and the process of exploring these extremes, making choices from the possibilities they present is what life is all about.  As I believe you mentioned in one of your posts... it's the journey. And you need not fear anything. Learning to let go of fear is the most optimal way to be.

Kathy

If anybody nods out while reading this thread, it isn't because it's over your head.

usetawuz wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

Hi Justin,

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The stress will be here for awhile. I'm trying to learn to relax in the midst of it all.

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No, I did not read all the responses to the initial post and did not read this from Recoverer (Albert).

I am aware of the governmental experiments but do not agree they are something from the past. They still happen all over the world and black people are not the only "guinea pigs" for these clandestine projects.

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Agreed. Although, I've never mentioned the CIA or conspiracies or anything else in my posts. I simply said that I had an uncomfortable experience while trying to read the book.

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Justin, this is true for all big businesses. I have worked inside many companies in various capacities and I have been faced with choices that go directly against my morals and values. I have been physically assaulted, sexually harassed, threatened to sign things against other people that were known to be false, demanded to share confidential information about others so it could be used to bully them. I even applied for a job through an agency and did not get it. One day EXACTLY after the no-compete clause expired, the owner of the company called me from his cell phone to offer me the job I supposedly didn't get before. In my own stupidity and honesty, I called the agency to let my recruiter know he called. She told me she would call him and get back to me. He denied ever calling me and the offer was, in effect, taken off the table. I contacted him to let him know I would be willing to pay the fee (since that is obviously why he chose to handle this the way he did) but he never responded. Some argue that I wouldn't want to work for that kind of company anyway because I would never know when he would stab me in the back. Regardless, I was without a job and lost one I qualified for and would have been hired for if I had been willing to circumvent the agency and cheat them our of their fee. Fortunately, at that time in my life, I did not have children and I was not the primary source of income in my family so I was able to continue to survive without that job (and, in spite of doing the "right thing"). Does anybody care that I made the ethical choice? No. Does anybody care I did what I was contractually obligated to do? No. People will only see that I've been unemployed for X number of years and hold that against me regardless of the circumstances. The point is simple. It is very easy to make the popular choice when a person is pushed into a corner (and it happens every single day in companies around the world). I could have had sex with my boss and kept my job. I could have had sex with my law professor and received my degree. I could have agreed to participate in weird sex games with another boss and kept my job. However, I made the choices to not do those things because I needed to live with myself. I don't know what I would have done if I was a single parent and my children were completely dependent on me for food and shelter. I'd like to think I would make the same *right* choice, but at what costs? Having my children in a shelter? Living on the streets with a cup begging for handouts? It's easy to judge other people and decide who is "bad" or "wrong" but we don't live in a society that is forgiving toward people who make the "right" choices.

It is very much the issue I have with how we treat our soldiers. We train these young men and women to become paranoid and killers. We do nothing to help them re-acclimate to our society where every corner does not hide the "enemy" and every child is not a trained killing machine. Our soldiers' families are often left destitute while they serve to preserve our freedoms (however, unreal they are).

Justin, we don't live in a society that rewards "good" behavior. We live in a world that permits (and encourages) us to get ahead by stepping on someone else's throat. I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is and to single out CIA agents as the root of all evil does seem a bit myopic. They are trained to do a job just like the rest of us and they are rewarded for their compliance and obedience. Doctors routinely prescribe medications they know nothing about and ignore the report side-effects and any deaths as "acceptable losses." Are they bad and evil or are they doing their jobs as they understand it to be? Only people who've been harmed or lost a loved one to doctors' mistakes care to talk about it and really research what happens to unsuspecting patients all the time. Why are doctors heralded as heroes when their business also kills people and hides their mistakes? I'm not trying to single out doctors as all bad. I'm trying to make illustrate my point. [/quote]

 
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Justin, I don't discount your viewpoint and I do find it curious. I do believe there are things going on behind the scenes that we are being lied to about. However, it begs the question. Why wouldn't *they* just use someone who has a clean background so this information could be disseminated without the questionable background of one its authors? I'm not saying your position is wrong or false. I agree that it's easier to fool many people with lights and rainbows than knocking them over the head.

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Justin, we've had a few pm conversations and I get the impression you're a nice guy. This whole paragraph just reeks of self-righteousness and judgment. Is that really how you intended it to come off?

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Well, it is a bit hard not to be scared out of one's mind when presented with this kind of information. Seriously. Who, in their right mind, would want to know their own government is lying to them and using them for random experiments for which they have no recourse? Not only that, but it's being done under the guise of helping? That's a bit hard to take in even for those of us who aren't unaware. It's scary stuff and it's hard to hear/read. That doesn't mean we should just ignore it, but there might be an easier way to introduce the information to people as to not scare them half-to-death.

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Okay, but do you think you've achieved that goal in your statements in this thread? Do you sense that anyone has come to understand the situation better and is ready to hop on the bandwagon and help educate the ignorant masses about it? The point is simple. Is it possible to raise awareness and lift a hand to help others understand without making people feel stupid for not knowing and/or understanding? How does that help the goal?

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Thank you for talking/writing.

Kind regards,
mj