Hi Mj, i generally agree with and "resonate" with your last post, but i would like to point out some subtleties.

Just Me wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:


  Having been involved with this psychic, intuitive, and guidance stuff for awhile now, i would say what you said before what you said in the above is actually quite a clue about what your "guidance" was telling you. 

This is what you wrote before the above quote. 

Mj wrote regarding ACIM and her reading of it, Quote:


  Someone who has been involved with guidance for awhile, might point out that the above highlighted portion was rather clear though subtle guidance steering you away from this book and for a definite reason. 

  If it made you feel uncomfortable and uneasy, there was a reason why.  This book claims to come from Jesus.  It claims to be about helping people spiritually grow. 

Why would you get those kind of icky feelings about it, if the author and people connected to same, were telling the truth about it? 

  Doesn't it make sense that if it came from ill intentioned, deceiving beings that your guidance would give you those uncomfortable feelings and that it would steer you away from it? 

  I've had that feeling and experience with other works after i dropped ACIM.   One book is called "Seth Speaks" by Jane Roberts. 

Even before i started reading it, and was just picking it up and holding it, i got those kind of "off" feelings about it.  Being curious about this intuitive, feeling reaction i decided to read parts with the conscious intention in mind of not letting it unduly influence me. 

    I then read that "Seth", a channeled entity who is suppose to be a spiritual teacher and awakener of sorts, claimed that Yeshua and his posse devised a plan to get Yeshua out of the crucifixion by drugging a delusional, messiah wannabe.  So, in other words, Jesus let another man go to his death because he didn't want to go through the experience. 

  Not only does Seth say such stuff like that, but Seth also clearly contradicts his own information at different times.

   Yet, despite these contradictions, which can be seen with a discerning eye, Seth and Jane Roberts is QUITE popular in the metaphysical/spiritual  and new age world. 

  So isn't ACIM.  But the point is, i got more subtle guidance this time before i even opened up the book to read it.   In a way, it was like Recoverer's experience with ACIM and him feeling that heavy, jellow like sensations near his lower chakras even before he started to read it. 

Guidance communicates to us in various ways, sometimes more subtly and sometimes more directly.  Often times if we ignore the more subtle messages or don't hear them well enough, we will get more clear  messages like with me and ACIM and having a more direct dream message.  Sometimes helpers also incarnate into this world and sometimes speak more directly to others, encouraging them to seek their own guidance on important issues which can affect their spiritual growth or not.

  This is all i have to say on the subject. 

 

recoverer wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:


Hi Recoverer,

Did you read what I just posted above? I think there is a miscommunication on what I was trying to say.

Kind regards,
mj

MJD:

I read your last post. Thank you for clarifying.

Just to lighten up this thread, posts tally of this thread is 66, so this post brings it to 67, a nicer number 

Back to more serious things now.....I had thought that dark beings/souls, evil ones, call them whatever you want...I thought that they had no power at all. I thought they they are just poor souls lost in darkness and unwilling to go to the light...

But apparently, from what some mentioned in here, some are smart and also able to channel information which can at the end of the day affect us.

If this is correct, then it means that it's more complicated than I thought, cause then really, all channeled information could be good or bad, or a mixture to throw us off course....

That leaves us to no other option other than.....I really don't know, hehe 

Oh...one more thing, I hope that in the afterlife we will know enough so that we don't have to disagree on something, hopefully the truth will be clear to all of us.....or maybe we will belong to different groups there depending on our believes.....heh...whatever it will be, I will love you all

Loving replies only please 

Cheers
Wonderer

  Hi Mj,

  I would be curious then what you get if you asked the most expanded guidance under the ideal circumstance of opening to the remembrance of love about your experience re: ACIM?   If you ever do so, i would be interested in what you got.

  I don't want to focus on the above book right now though, but i will stay more generally on the topic as related to what Albert and i have been saying. 

  I agree with Albert that ill intentioned beings ultimately cannot force us against our will per se, and he is right attuning to PUL keeps us strong and protected, but attuning to PUL isn't always such an easy matter when various unconscious and conscious blocks are involved. 

    This is what you wrote on another thread, i will highlight the relevant parts to this thread and what we've been trying to point out about the issue of negative influence.   It is perhaps a mistake to underestimate the potential influence and cleverness of certain kinds of lacking in Light beings.

This is what you wrote about your own experience, and like i've said, i've also have had similar experiences as the below--particularly in relation to the issue of suicide. 

Quote:


   It sounds like you personally felt the potential very strong influence of an extremely lacking in Light consciousness.  We in-physicals don't often see this clearly, but guidance has told me that most suicides involve the influence of strong, clever, and quite lacking in Light influences. 

  Would you think it is safe to assume that these same kind of nonphysical and/or E.T. forces and intelligences just might take part in helping to develop brainwashing courses, misleading spiritual teachings, and the like in order to limit and negatively influence people?   

   I mean, if they get off on "helping" people to take their lives, then partaking in the above would be fairly easy on their part as well. 

   Albert and i are trying to point out the depth of the issues and problems involved with this largely unconscious issue.  Most people are simply too scared, unconsciously and/or consciously, to deal with this side of reality openly.

  Eric here wrote recently about an experience wherein he was in the physical space with another man, whom his guidance said was a "bad man", and felt like he had to get out of there fast and there was enough affect and negative impact that it took him awhile to collect himself.  He had feared for his life.   

  He does not believe in strong lacking in Light beings though.  If he checked with expanded Guidance, he would find out that this bad man that he temporarily tuned into, had created strong energetic connections to very lacking in Light consciousness.  This is partially why he felt these emotions so strongly and why it was such a shaking/disconcerting experience. 

  This was just a fellow inphysical human with certain energetic connections.  Most of these "bad people" don't hold a candle to a certain E.T. group that i've become aware of or certain nonphysical spirits. 

   I have no fear of these at all.  This is partially why my guidance has made me aware of these in a more direct way.  I've directly faced the shadow within myself and so i can easily face the shadow without.  I have an unusual lack of fear within, which is why Expanded Guidance uses me to speak through, because i also have no social fear.  I don't care what others think or don't think of me like so many people do to some degree or another. 

  Hey, but what do i know.  Linn, Caroline, and Caryl and their guidance teams (and mine) must be very off about me, since most people here don't agree with me.  What has human history shown about what we the majority think of, feel towards, and do to the real teachers that come here?  Anyone else willing to step up and take my place?

  Pretty please?  This job pays crap, and the material benefits really suck, and most throw stones at you.  Sure, there is good karma points and all, but that gets put in escrow for later until i'm a certain "age".   
 
Oh Lordy, if i didn't laugh, i might cry.   




(ironic that i spent lifetimes wanting to be like my teacher)

Hi Wonderer,

The only beings in the nonphysical that I have ever had actual communication with are beings that radiate the most beautiful love that is so incredible and unimaginable from our perspective as humans in this world.  Or at least I know of nothing that can compare to the awe I feel when in their presence.  At times they look like radiant golden white light though some of them differ in brightness.  I call them "lights of love" because that is what they look like and feel like to me.

I have also seen other beings that are more like normal people, but have not communicated with them as with the others or felt radiant love from them as I've described above. I would not say they were negative beings, but more like someone you might be acquainted with in your life here.  What's been interesting, and is something I don't really understand much about is that sometimes they will come close to me and then I'll feel the same type of beautiful love I described above go out from me to them.  It's not something I'm doing intentionally that I know of.  It happens suddenly and is just something that sometimes occurs.  I don't really have an explanation for it.  Sometimes the people that come close to me will also just disappear suddenly.  I've wondered if this is a type of retrieval, but I'm not certain.

Something else that happens that is similar to this but is physical rather than nonphysical is I will feel a sudden upwelling of love from deep within at the oddest moments. For example, I was sitting in the waiting room next to a lady that was roughly in her 80's.  As I sat there I wasn't really thinking about anything, just noticing her old wrinkled hand resting on the arm of a chair when suddenly I felt the most beautiful love up well from within me.  This has happened for many years where what I describe above has only been occurring for a few years now.

I do think other beings with negative intent also exist in the nonphysical, not because I've ever had the experience of encountering any of them, but because there are people in this world who's expression in the world is basically negative; where their cruelty and meanness is apparent to society.  My understanding is that they can range from a moderately mild to a ruthless narcissist type of being. I suppose if people like this were a menace to society here, it's possible they would be the same menace there.  I know the rules that govern nonphysical reality are so completely different from what we are use to in the physical world.  It's far easier to describe what it is not like than to describe what it is like.  I do know that there are certain things "there" that are not allowed that has to do with how much a negative can actually do, so maybe the system regulates somehow. 

btw... thanks for lightening things up.

Kathy 

Hi Justin and Recoverer,

Would either or both of you care to inform us of the reason why those "lacking in light / negative" entities seek to detrimentally influence people?

In other words, what are such entities personally gaining from their negative influence upon others and upon humanity?

Our understanding of their motivating reason and their gains behind their efforts might help us better rationalise and even accept what you are saying. For without the full working picture, we are being asked to just believe you because you say it's so. And I'm sure you wouldn't say you want us to blindly believe you as if you are our guru.

So give us the bigger picture. What is the dark network all about? What are their aims and gains? Who are they? Why do they do it?

A bigger picture, if it is presented logically and coherently, and if it intersects logically with and carries comprehensible correspondences with life as we know it on this planet, then it might help people be more open minded to your views.       

I imagine if you answer these questions that you might prefer to start another thread because this one was not intended to deal with the motives and workings of the dark collective.