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Reply #30 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 1:20pm

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How do you know that the messages are from the guides and not me talking to myself?

Hi Wonderer,

Sometimes it is difficult to tell the difference between your own thoughts and information coming to you. One of the best ways that I have learned is that I distinguish a difference between "feeling" and "emotion" when receiving information.

To me feeling is the same as what I call "being" and emotion is more a part of the intellectual process. In order to "just be" we need to set our intellect aside temporarily. This is how I tell the difference from my own thoughts (intellectual) and what is coming to me from the larger consciousness system.

When I receive information I'm in a state that is without thought and emotion, otherwise the information could easily be tainted by my own intellect. It might still have some accuracy to it, but thought and emotion mixed in tends to contaminate the purity or clarity of the information that's been "fed" to me.

Hope this is helpful to you.

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Reply #31 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 1:22pm

Hi Wonderer,

Often times our own thoughts feel self generated and often there is a process of association involved. One thought leads to a similar thought, so on and so forth.

Guidance messages tend to feel less self generated, and often involve unexpected or "out of the blue" thoughts, feelings, visuals, or any other kind of info.

That part is not so hard with some practice and learning to listen and being still.

However, i would stress and emphasize that there are "guides", there are imposters, and there is Guidance with a capital G.

It's the latter, last group which is most helpful to connect too for "guidance" and for seeking help.

There are people who connect more to plain ole "guides" (discriminate folks who may not be that much more aware than you are yourself, but do have helpful intentions and try to help), and there are those that connect to imposters who do not have good intentions and seek to mislead, limit, etc.

However, it is easy to connect to what i call Guidance and to bypass "guides" and imposters. You specifically ask for only the help, guidance, etc. of the most spiritually expanded, helpful, loving, creative etc. sources. Basically, you ask for the help from the most spiritually developed and mature consciousnesses possible.

These being the wisest and most perceptive Beings and levels of Reality, they can help you the most effectively, because they know you better than you know yourself because they can completely merge their consciousness with your Total Consciousness. They are their "Higher selves" which are in complete communication and Oneness with your Higher self.

To strengthen that energetic connection, bring up the remembrance and feelings of Love and/or Gratitude and let these feelings fill up inside of you.

Unfortunately, there are not a lot of people out there that advise such methods. More often than not, most sources just say, "seek guidance" or ask for guides to help you, without fully understanding what that actually entails and not understanding the "Like attracts and begets Like Law of resonation.

Since i've developed and starting practicing the two part practice of both asking for guidance and help of only the most spiritually expanded, mature, etc and combining that with Bruce Moen's "remembering the feeling of Love technique" and/or gratitude, i've been helped and have grown a lot.

Btw, what i refer to as "Guidance" with a capital G, i see as a collective of Beings who are fully intune with what i call Source and Universal Love Consciousness. They have become full Co-Creators with Source and are fully conscious of their Oneness with all of Creation. The one known as "Christ" is just one of many of these, but the one who completed the process first and helped Source co-create this particular Universe.

I often perceive these Consciousnesses in terms of pure White Light, and i also see the White Light as synonymous with what Bruce labels "PUL", which stands for pure, unconditional Love.

These will never steer you wrong, and will always be helpful and constructive to you on your path. Regular ole "guides" sometimes don't know what they are talking about--not much different than a friend in physical whose trying to help you, but not knowing all the data and info involved, cannot give you the wisest perspective there is.

Hope this helps, from my Guidance to you.

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Reply #32 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 2:57pm

Relating to ACIM, the influence of extremely lacking in Light consciousnesses who seek to mislead, limit, etc, and to the conversations between Kathy and i--on another thread about enlightenment, i shared a link to an article i wrote talking about meditation and the importance of the right kind of meditation.

Here is what i wrote, and it very much relates to this whole thread and the things that Albert and i have said, Quote:

* I have deep experience with the above. I started experimenting with meditation from about the age of 13, but without real wisdom and insight, let alone enough personal balance. I was already a more sensitive person, but going willy nilly into meditation without the right knowledge and wisdom opened me up to the influence of some slow vibratory/limiting influences. It took me years to fully dis-engage from these, and i spent much of my childhood being severely suicidal partly because of these influences. I had a rather difficult childhood in some respects, and wasn't attuned enough to love and wasn't balanced enough to have gone into meditation the way i had-e.g. without specifically attuning to love and gratitude and without those specific affirmations.

Btw, quantities of alcohol and some drugs also open one up more to these and allow self to be unduly influenced. And of course, unloving and more particularly negative intentions do so as well.

I didn't realize until many years later, that i was so suicidal partly because of the influence of some very lacking in Light beings. For a long time, i thought it solely as a lack and weakness within me.

It was during my reading of ACIM, when a very psychic friend of mine, told me sort of out of the blue, "I saw a very large and very dark being around you and it's trying to influence you. " She also said, "you have a lot of Light within you and so have attracted this attention very strongly"

When i finally disentangled myself from ACIM, partially by calling on the help of Divine Forces, i started to get some guidance about how much earlier when i had experimented with meditation without wisdom, i had let myself become even more open to such influences.

One time Becky had a dream wherein she saw her ultra religious and rather emotionally imbalanced and unhappy mother "praying", but instead of energetically connecting to God, because of her negativity and lack of Love for others and herself, Becky saw that she was connecting energetically with what looked like humanoid Reptilian Beings, and that these Beings were influencing her mother strongly, helping her to stay stuck in her life of isolation, unhappiness, and fear.

If you haven't been in that kind of very dark space, you don't realize how hard it can be to get out of.

It is easy and tempting to shove the shadow side of life and Reality under the rug. I use to do it, and when i did, i was more influenced. But when i faced my fears, accepted their reality without fear, and called on Divine Forces for help, not only did i become more aware of this side of Reality and what they are and are about, but i stopped being influenced.

A big part of the latter was also about opening myself up to Love in the more universal and unconditional sense.

So when people like Kathy tell me glibly that things like, oh, it's all just information and you can choose what to do with it or not--I have to look back at my life, my struggles, and guidance, and express patience with such casual, easy answers that while they have some little bit of relative truth, really don't touch the surface of what Reality and the human condition is about.

. ACIM is more than just a book, it's an energetic field, that if you allow yourself to get involved with it, it makes it that much easier for such lacking in Light forces to influence you. It's almost like stating a specific affirmation of, "I open myself to and ask for the influence of the most lacking in Light Beings there are."

If this process of spiritual growth and awareness was so "easy" or there weren't strong lacking in Light beings involved with this world, then this world would not be a place filled with so much suffering, violence, disrespect, and at times unspeakable horrors. If it was so easy, so many more of us humans would be near enlightened or fully enlightened, or at the very least much more consistently happy.

Some people speak from experience and/or direct guidance, and some speak from lack of experience and direct guidance. It's usually the latter wherein we are speaking from dogma or ignorance about something.

I'm very passionate about this whole subject, not just based on my own life experience and suffering, but because i came here to counter balance these lacking in Light forces and their influence, so that this world can heal and know Oneness and happiness. I had to personally go through it myself, in order to see what i'm up against in a sense. To speak from real wisdom and knowledge about it.

As Albert has mentioned, it is not "loving" to allow these beings to do their works and influence people without calling them out. Those who are aware of the problems, must speak of the problems and of the solutions. The solution is always two fold. First, awareness without fear, and then Love.

Love them and all who err, even the most lacking in Light and cruel beings deserve Love. Feel Love for them and compassion for their suffering and send prayers that they can find the strength within themselves to change their ways for the better so that they too can become happy and at peace.

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Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"?
Reply #33 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 3:03pm

Kathy:
I can’t say that I see things precisely as you do. If you’re interested, my responses to your post are within brackets below.

Justin, my friend, I'm really not sure of what you are talking about now. If what you are saying is that people/entities can sometimes have harmful intent, I would certainly agree. There's no question about that, but that is beside the point I've made in my posts, it appears to me that you are having some trouble comprehending what I'm saying. Please read or reread my post to Albert above. I've tried to be as clear as I possibly can.

[[I’m noting the fact that you stated that there are some people/entities with harmful intent.]]

Everything that we perceive to be external from us, outside of us is simply information. We all have a choice as to how we react to this information. I'm saying to be skeptical about everything anyone writes, including ACIM. Nothing, including ACIM, is sinister or evil in and of itself. To try to make it, or any other written work evil or sinister, is to try to instill fear into someone as a method of coercion.

[[In the paragraph before this paragraph you said that you agree that there are people/entities with harmful intent. With this mind, I believe it is contradictory for you to say that nothing including ACIM is sinister or evil in and of itself. If some person or being seeks to influence people in a negative way then this “is” sinister. I believe you are dabbling in moral relativism. Just because everything has a divine source and perhaps everything works out in the end, this doesn’t mean that there aren’t people and beings that manifest in an “evil” way. In order to truly understand what is good (such as love and humility) we can’t turn a blind eye to that which is negative. We have to be able to view both sides of the coin. I believe that people who get into this business of there being no such thing as evil are counting their chickens before they hatch.

I so much disagree that Justin is trying to coerce people through fear. When you set up such parameters you make it so a person can’t communicate in an intelligent way. I’ve met Justin in person and spoken to him on the phone on more than one occasion and he isn’t the kind of person who tries to “coerce” people through fear. It is contradictory for you to suggest such a thing because “coercion” implies negativity and you earlier spoke as if there is no such thing as negativity when you said, “Nothing, including ACIM, is sinister or evil in and of itself.”]]

Sure there are some people that judge it to be thus, and I have no problem with that as long as they don't try to interfere with the freewill choice of another person in the form of coercion by fear. Someone doing that just doesn't sit well with me. I'm sure you would not like it if someone were to use that tactic on you. On the other hand some people have judged it to be helpful and good. I have no problem with that either. Each of us can only judge what is or isn't good for self.

[[Helping somebody gain an understanding of what a source is about and trying to “scare” them is not the same thing. It seems to me you are minimizing what Justin and I have experienced when it comes to ACIM. If somebody would’ve tried to clue me in on ACIM before I got involved with it I would not had been offended. It is possible for people to be helpful and “straight forward” without imposing on somebody else’s free will.]]

What it is about what I've said specifically that you disagree with? I'm certain that everyone on your short list, especially Tom Campbell would agree with what I've posted on this thread because he has many times said the very same thing in so many words numerous times in his books as well as on his forum and in his interviews.

[[I won’t respond to the above because it seems to be based on the premise that Justin is trying to coerce people into not getting involved with ACIM.]]

Since you have spoken your open and honest opinion with me, I will do the same with you. You seem to want to play comparison games and make judgments of other people, specifically those whom profess ACIM to have helped them. That is an egotistical driven ploy on your part for whatever reason(s) you may have. You have also done this very thing with me and those whom you have placed in a hierarchy.

[[I don’t believe the above is true. On an earlier post you stated that you know people who have been helped by ACIM. Justin wrote what he wrote in order to question your assessment. I think I know who he is talking about and if so, that person got upset with me and attacked me in a personal way on more than one occasion. If ACIM truly did change that person for the better, perhaps that person would not have found it necessary to attack me in a personal way. Such occurrences did take place and not just on a public forum.]]

Consciousness, the fundamental "stuff" that we are is not a hierarchy. It is all ONE thing, ONE being. There is no true hierarchy except in the mind of one believing in such separation. If you are honest with yourself, I think you will be able to see it for what it is. I say this to you only with the hope that it may be helpful. If not, please feel free to disregard what I have said as that is always your choice.

[[Being connected to Source doesn’t mean that we lose the ability to tell when someone treats others in a loving way and when somebody treats somebody in a negative way. I don’t care how spirituality evolved I become. I will never reach the point where I can witness something such as a man beating his wife and say something such as “It is all just consciousness,” “everything is equal,” or some other platitude.

I don’t believe that Justin is disrespectful towards the free will of others. In fact, he respects their free will so much that he takes the time to speak against influences that try to infringe upon the freewill of others.]]

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Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"?
Reply #34 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 3:25pm

Justin said: "So when people like Kathy tell me glibly that things like, oh, it's all just information and you can choose what to do with it or not. ACIM is more than just a book, it's an energetic field, that if you allow yourself to get involved with it, it makes it that much easier for such lacking in Light forces to influence you."

Recoverer responds: "I believe the above is an important point to consider.

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Reply #35 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 3:35pm

Kathy, I know in my deepest heart of hearts, that the man Yeshua was the highest and truest example of pure, unconditional, love in the Earth to date. He spoke out against misleading forces, he was active and Yang when it came to being a counter balance to these.

I ask you simply and directly, do you believe yourself to be more aware and wise than he was when he taught?

I suggest to you that it's rather limiting and "judgmental" that you assume so much sure knowledge about my (so called negative) intent in this matter. Quite frankly, you don't know what you are talking about.

Also i ask, are you aware of how much you are contradicting yourself on this thread??!! On one hand, you seem to be preaching that we shouldn't try to influence another's path, that we should leave it up to them and their guidance....

And yet, here you are spending this much time, energy, and effort trying to convince me and others of something as if you are the one coming from the 'higher' position. What you are accusing me of, you are projecting outside of yourself.

I believe it is alright to try to influence other people's paths at times, if it's done with wisdom, love, and connection to higher guidance.

I'm not being hypocritical, i'm practicing what i preach and i'm practicing the "Golden" rule of doing unto others what you would have done to you. I don't care or mind if others give me advice, or "preach" to me.

But can you see the contradictions here with your very position of advocating passiveness, but then doing exactly the opposite? Not only that meanwhile you label and judge me in a negative manner, insinuating that i'm not a spiritual person, that i'm egotistical, etc. I thought the past was forgotten and that we both had forgiven each other, but i see that's not really true.

I would be the first person to tell you that i have ego, and that i err. No news there, but thanks. Wink

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Reply #36 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 3:38pm

Wonderer:

In my case I usually receive spirit messages in symbolic visual form. Sometimes I'll be caused to have an experience that makes the point. For example, one time I wondered what it is like to be a being who is aware of multiple perspectives at the same time, and my guidance arranged it so I experienced myself as as large spirit being that was aware of 12 incarnations at the same time. Yet, I was still me.

I see such imagery while meditating. Initially I didn't understand why I was seeing such imagery, but eventually I figured out that it was coming from my spirit guidance.

When it comes to receiving thoughts there have been numerous occasions when it was clear that they came from a place other than my own mind. Sometimes I hear a voice. Usally not more than two sentences at a time. I believe that for whatever reasons there is a limitation when it comes to thought or voice communication. There have been occasions when I was in a state where I had a dialogue with a being, but it was difficult to remember everything that was said.

I've found that both friendly and unfriendly beings can communicate to me. I try to feel what they are about. The friendly beings feel like love, deep peace, divinity, integrity and vastness. The dark beings feel negative. There have been occasions when I didn't get a feeling one way or the other.

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Reply #37 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 6:04pm

Justin and Albert,

It seems you both continue to misinterpret what I'm saying, even to the extent of applying meanings to my words that were neither said nor intended. I suspect that is because you take what I say personally and it gets mixed up with your own personal bias, when in fact I'm speaking in general terms and the advice I've offered is just as worthy of consideration as yours is. I don't know why you can't see it, but in essence we are not saying things that have a lot of difference. Nowhere in my previous posts did I even so much as imply either one of you are harboring harmful intent or that it is wrong for you to speak about your experiences as you seem to think.

Interesting that you don't want to censored, but when it comes to someone else expressing their opinion you become argumentative in ways that show no respect for what another has to say. Other people have tried to discuss this with you previously, too. Other people do have the right to speak out as well, but the two of you are so passionate about your hostilities against ACIM, gurus, etc. that you make it next to impossible for others to speak their own opinions for fear of being undermined or possibly even directly attacked, so maybe what I've said about using coercion may indeed apply to you both. Not that coercion would be your intention, but that others would possibly feel thay way simply because you are so adament about it. Well, I'm not afraid to speak up, when and if I feel what I have to say may be useful to someone, even if it differs from what someone else says.

I, and I'm sure others can plainly see you both have wounds from your past experiences and how they are affecting you and the things you feel passionate about. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. That's just the way it is, though I feel sadness for you both in that you have suffered, but that is how we learn and hopefully grow.

As far as I'm concerned it is impossible to have a civil conversation when the both of you are so stuck in a combative mindset, and for that reason I have nothing else to say to either of you at the moment. Rant away if it makes you feel better. However, my choice is to disregard any defensive outbursts or to further engage in an otherwise pointless conversation. And besides, this has become way off topic.

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Reply #38 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 10:22pm

Lights of Love wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

Justin and Albert,

It seems you both continue to misinterpret what I'm saying, even to the extent of applying meanings to my words that were neither said nor intended. I suspect that is because you take what I say personally and it gets mixed up with your own personal bias, when in fact I'm speaking in general terms and the advice I've offered is just as worthy of consideration as yours is. I don't know why you can't see it, but in essence we are not saying things that have a lot of difference. Nowhere in my previous posts did I even so much as imply either one of you are harboring harmful intent or that it is wrong for you to speak about your experiences as you seem to think.

Interesting that you don't want to censored, but when it comes to someone else expressing their opinion you become argumentative in ways that show no respect for what another has to say. Other people have tried to discuss this with you previously, too. Other people do have the right to speak out as well, but the two of you are so passionate about your hostilities against ACIM, gurus, etc. that you make it next to impossible for others to speak their own opinions for fear of being undermined or possibly even directly attacked, so maybe what I've said about using coercion may indeed apply to you both. Not that coercion would be your intention, but that others would possibly feel thay way simply because you are so adament about it. Well, I'm not afraid to speak up, when and if I feel what I have to say may be useful to someone, even if it differs from what someone else says.

I, and I'm sure others can plainly see you both have wounds from your past experiences and how they are affecting you and the things you feel passionate about. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. That's just the way it is, though I feel sadness for you both in that you have suffered, but that is how we learn and hopefully grow.

As far as I'm concerned it is impossible to have a civil conversation when the both of you are so stuck in a combative mindset, and for that reason I have nothing else to say to either of you at the moment. Rant away if it makes you feel better. However, my choice is to disregard any defensive outbursts or to further engage in an otherwise pointless conversation. And besides, this has become way off topic.
Kathy

I swear, we must have been married in another life or something... Cheesy

Kathy, i don't want to bicker or fight with you (or with anyone for that matter), i do have strong feelings and thoughts about this issue based on both experience and repeat guidance, and because i care a lot about others and about the issue of stuckness and suffering.

I have not tried to minimize you personally, but have tried to stick to outlining why i feel and think the way i do about ACIM and this issue in general. I've done this mostly by talking about the experiences i've had and the guidance messages i've received.

Yet, consistently, you have tried to make it about ME, and have subtly and not so subtly tried to minimize me as a person in various ways in order to prove your rightness about this topic and my wrongness. All i've consistently said of a personal manner to you is pointing out that you lack complete experience with ACIM both in not having read it, nor having sought direct guidance about it, which is unlike Albert and i. The other personal thing i have said is pointing out how contradictory you have been with your original position and preaching, but acting in the opposite manner--telling us we shouldn't be a certain way, but then treating us in that same manner of telling us what is correct or not. That contradiction is apparent for all to see. But, it doesn't mean there is anything wrong, bad, or wounded about you.

You used the term "adamant" in relation to me and Albert. It is pretty adamant in my mind to repeatedly tell not just one, but two different people with deep experience with something that not only are they wrong in their perceptions in general BUT that they are wrong to even speak about it. You conveniently ignored the fact that not just Albert and i had similar experiences, but that another forum member with obviously no agenda, Usetawuz, also spoke of the same exact experience that both Albert and i had!

You have used manipulative tactics, such as saying that we are trying to scare people, you insinuate strongly that we are wounded people with various issues, etc, etc. You have used the rather strong word of "coerce" more than once now.

Yet, your name tag here is "Lights of Love". If this is "Light" or "Love", i don't want to be loving or light. I would prefer to be sincere, honest, and direct with others, even if that means i'm not "spiritual". I don't have a need to be perceived as spiritual by others. What you see with me, is what you get. I'm completely honest and sincere, and since such sincerity is so rare in this world, it tends to get me into trouble.

Kathy, we have a mutual friend whom i believe we both respect a lot. Her name is Linn and she is a long time professional psychic. Various people we both know, will attest to her accuracy and helpfulness.

I had a reading with Linn a few years back--she invited me back to her forum, but i declined because i didn't want to rock any boats there, and i figured that it was wiser if i didn't since i am such an honest and direct person sometimes. I can be a little over Yang sometimes.

Anyways, this is one of the things that she, or rather her Guidance said about me during the reading. Something that hit home so deeply, that i felt myself tearing up when i read it because of how true it is and how much i've suffered at times because of it.

This is what she wrote and how she wrote it (her use of capitalization), "this particular soul's journey has been of obtaining karmic balance, obligations to self more than to others. His journey has seen many set backs, more so the cause of being MIS-UNDERSTOOD by others. ( this was emphasized loudly)."

I will not return personal put downs, nor insinuate how wounded, selfish, and imbalanced you are like you have with me. I'm done with that kind of stuff. I did that before with you years ago when i truly was less centered, and i've grown up a lot since then.

But i will say that what Linn said in the above about me, applies very much to this situation and to our interaction here. You have deeply misunderstood me and where i'm coming from with in talking about my experiences and insights with ACIM.

Perhaps, i should just leave it at that. I wish you truly understood where i am coming from, but it's ok if you don't, because i don't need your approval to speak up about issues that i believe are important and worth speaking up for.

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Reply #39 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 2:06am

Hi Wonderer,

I don't have an opinion for you, but wanted to take the time to thank the members that posted about "weird" experiences in trying to read this book. I am an avid reader and I really, really struggled with reading it and had no idea why. There are some books that are boring and I put them down. There are some books I have to read straight through and know what happens. There are other books I highlight and reference all the time. However, none of that applies to ACIM. I downloaded an electronic version of it and I couldn't get through it and didn't understand why. I always felt vaguely uncomfortable every time I made an attempt to get through it. Other than outrageously gory stuff or badly written material, I can usually read anything. I just couldn't get through this book and it's a bit comforting to know some other people had similar reactions to it. To this day, I can't really explain what it was. I just knew I shouldn't go there.

All the best in your journey,
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Reply #40 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 7:18am

Well I decided to jump in anyway.

Wonderer, I really wonder who you are and what led you to bring up this "nasty" topic...

Posts about ACIM always evolve to arguments about the validity of the making of ACIM rather than about the content itself. Maybe we should have a group read of ACIM and discuss the contents!

And id you fall asleep reading it, well maybe it is just over your head. You's probably fall asleep reading serious work about string theory too.

I have no reason to argue with anyone's decision to not read ACIM, no reason to argue with anyone else's guidance to follow a different path. Now I'm going to say something that will no doubt prompt cries of "you don't understand me." Well maybe I don't understand you because you don't understand how you are presenting yourself.

Your guidance is just that: YOUR guidance. I don't care if you claim it is Jesus himself or any other name you want to use for that entity. I can't tell the difference between YOUR guidance and the guidance of anyone else. The trouble is, you make it sound like your guidance is the be all and end all authority for everyone. Well, it ain't. Do you understand what you sound like? You sound like every guru that ever came down the road and claimed to have a direct line to God. When you claim to have been misunderstood, I can only think that you do not understand how you come across.

This leads to the situation that Kathy described so well:"Interesting that you don't want to censored, but when it comes to someone else expressing their opinion you become argumentative in ways that show no respect for what another has to say. Other people have tried to discuss this with you previously, too. Other people do have the right to speak out as well, but the two of you are so passionate about your hostilities against ACIM, gurus, etc. that you make it next to impossible for others to speak their own opinions for fear of being undermined or possibly even directly attacked, so maybe what I've said about using coercion may indeed apply to you both. Not that coercion would be your intention, but that others would possibly feel thay way simply because you are so adament about it. "

It creates a situation where open conversation is not possible.

btw, Albert, the Hugh Prather quote is a little out of context as I believe Prather stayed in the ACIM community until his death in Nov? 2010. If he felt that way, why woul dhe stay?

Of course, looking for that on the 'net led me to info claiming ACIM was a CIA plot. Now that's interesting. After all, didn't Joe McMoneagle work on one of those CIA projects? Does that make TMI a CIA product? But Moen trained at TMI. Does that make this group a product of CIA ventures? just wondering.
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Wonderer, be careful what you ask for you just might get it.

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Lucy Super Member Offline Posts: 1158 C1	Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"? Reply #41 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 7:30am Just for the record, Wonderer, here's my take on the Bible. Are you familiar with "Porgy and Bess"? "It ain't necessarily so It ain't necessarily so The t'ings dat yo' li'ble To read in de Bible, It ain't necessarily so."
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Wonderer New Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 45 Europe Gender:	Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"? Reply #42 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 7:48am Thanks mjd for sharing your experience and all the best to your journey too
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Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"?
Reply #43 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 9:16am

Just Me wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 2:06am:

Hi Wonderer,

I don't have an opinion for you, but wanted to take the time to thank the members that posted about "weird" experiences in trying to read this book. I am an avid reader and I really, really struggled with reading it and had no idea why. There are some books that are boring and I put them down. There are some books I have to read straight through and know what happens. There are other books I highlight and reference all the time. However, none of that applies to ACIM. I downloaded an electronic version of it and I couldn't get through it and didn't understand why. I always felt vaguely uncomfortable every time I made an attempt to get through it. Other than outrageously gory stuff or badly written material, I can usually read anything. I just couldn't get through this book and it's a bit comforting to know some other people had similar reactions to it. To this day, I can't really explain what it was. I just knew I shouldn't go there.

All the best in your journey,
mj

And thank you Mj for speaking up about your experiences and subtle guidance with this so called spiritual course. I speak not of nor for myself, but in appreciation of principles and in the spirit of hoping others do not get stuck and influenced negatively by it.

Experience and especially direct guidance with something is so much more powerful, affecting, perception opening, and teaching than a lack of same or intellectual theorizing. Both Lucy and Kathy would do well to remember that.

I am fully confident that if everyone here sincerely tried that two part method of attuning to guidance that i've outlined a few times here, and asked with no preconceptions about this course and if it came from very lacking in Light (and ill intentioned) sources or not, they would be told each time that indeed it does. If they asked if it had a negative, brainwashing effect, i know they would be told it does.

Yet, the truly adamant ones will not take up this challenge, but instead debate and argue with, and take personal pot shots that those who just simply are speaking out of their concern for others and this world.

Curious world we live in, and curious beings we humans are!

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Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"?
Reply #44 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 9:30am

Wonderer wrote on Feb 17^th, 2012 at 7:59am:

In my research, I came across A Course in Miracles
If I understood well, it also explains that this universe was created by accident, in that, the mind of the Son of God had a tiny, crazy idea that separation might be possible, and since the mind is so infinitely creative, the thought gave rise to separation.

God realized immediately what was happening and ended that separation so we ended back safe in God. Matter, energy, time and space were created in that instant of separation and within the illusory time, the universe goes on.

All of us feel guilty for having caused the separation, so we choose to incarnate and learn lessons so we can get rid of the fear and selfishness and the illusion of separation. Our goal is to re-learn love and forgiveness and complete our reunion with God which actually happened long ago outside of this illusion of time.

What do you guys think of this? Is it all bogus or it makes sense to you? Is there any credibility into this book?

Cheers

Hi Wonderer! It's great to see you here as well! It's always interesting to encounter forum members from our website in different places!

Yes, ACIM is a wonderful spiritual resource and it's curriculum is material that everyone will have to learn at some point in his spiritual progress. There is nothing harmful or wrong with this book at all! I have read a lot of it and it is all perfectly consistent with what I've read in other places.

I'm not sure why people here seem to think that ACIM is, not just inaccurate, but harmful. That could not be further from the truth!

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