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What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"? (Read 57642 times)
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Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"?
Reply #120 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 5:50pm
 
Lucy wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 11:15am:
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'the only fundamental thing that really exists is consciousness'


So when you combine that thought with the Big Bang concept, how do you think that work?


Hi Lucy,

The idea is that consciousness began as what Tom Campbell calls reality cells and through a process of evolution evolved & is still evolving everything else, so the big bang would have evolved out of consciousness as an experiment to further evolution.  His trilogy "My Big TOE" is available online (Google books) for free.  There's a lot of further information on his board.  There's two forums that kind of condenses things: the best threads forum and the Wiki forum if you're interested. There's also a reference forum where you can find other physicists who also say everything is virtual having arisen from primordial consciousness.

If you remember DaveMBS, he use to discuss this same thing here.  I can't remember if big bang theory was ever discussed or not, but this same idea that primordial consciousness was originally only some substance of potential and evolved everything else as a digital system as I recall was discussed by him and others.  You could try to search for some of his threads/posts on the subject if you're interested.  It makes a lot of sense to me, then again I've had an interest in this subject for a number of years. 

Understanding things from a big picture perspective such as TC's MBT is so much better than getting stuck in little picture belief systems as far as theories on how everything could work. Looking at things from the top down so to speak gives a totally new perspective and understanding especially because it really does offer explanations for everything... science, religion, philosophy, etc.

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Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"?
Reply #121 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 5:56pm
 
recoverer wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
If consciousness didn't have anything to be  aware of, it wouldn't serve much of a purpose. Say it is aware of love and peace. If so, then more than pure awareness exists. If one says that love and awareness aren't separate from consciousness, then perhaps other things such as intelligence and the creative aspect of being also aren't separate from consciousness.

If this is so, then perhaps people make a mistake when they overly focus on the  consciousness aspect of being and feel as if they have to push eveything else away.  Perhaps pushing love, peace, intelligence and the creative aspect of being away isn't any different than pushing consciousness away. When one does so one pushes away parts of one's self. Why would a sane person seek to do such a thing?

When it comes to love, it is more than an energy one feels. Love also contains much intelligence.

I've found that people who over emphasize consciosness and the so-called unreality of the manifested "part" of reality don't have a comprehensive and balanced perspective of what reality is all about. Eventually they'll find that in order to become a fully integrated being they'll have to embrace all parts of themselves. When I say this I don't mean that they need to cling to negative tendencies of mind.


Seems to me you don't understand the nature of consciousness and how it could have evolved into ONE great big huge LOVE BEING thing!
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Reply #122 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 5:56pm
 
recoverer:

It was experimentally demonstrated that it is not the "I", as we normally think of it, that makes our decisions.
If you decide to work with a book and get brainwashed, then who is it to blame for? Certainly not the problem of the book. In my opinion, not a problem at all, because it was your own decision then to experience the brainwashing.
But not the "I" of you that you normally think you are, but a higher or deeper version of you, the "I" of you that was before you were born, and that decided what to experience in this life.
There is no one to blame (not even a book), because there is nothing wrong with it. Of course, you are free to blame a book for doing brainwashing with an innocent person, because you are free to do so. We are our own judges, as long as we play the game of judging, until we get tired of it. Nothing wrong, all a great theatre play, we are actors who over-identify with their roles, still nothing wrong with it, we are good at that game, we like playing it, we are God, actually.
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Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"?
Reply #123 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 6:30pm
 
Oliver:

As I've said before I used to belong to a guru-based cult. I got got involved with it because I had yet to develop the discrimination to know better. I know of some people who went through their entire life without breaking free of such influence or similar influence.

The cult took place because the guru in charge decided to use other people in order to appease his own selfish desires.

I figure that the beings who are responsible for the words in ACIM had their own selfish reasons for giving the words to Helen Schuchman.

Perhaps your indifference to what a course like ACIM can do is partly based on how it has influenced you.  Perhaps it has influenced you in way you aren't fully aware of.

Rick Warren used to be into ACIM. An unfriendly entitiy started giving him and his wife a hard time. When he shared this with his ACIM reading group they just couldn't accept that he and his wife were being troubled by an unfriendly entity. They assumed that nothing more but their imagination was responsible. ACIM had limited their thinking to such an extent.

Unfortunately, Rick Warren went from one extreme to the other. From being overly trusting of channeled sources, to getting involved with Christianity in a fundamentalist like way.

If we get to the point where we dismiss everything as okay no matter how negative it is, we might want to re-assess where we are coming from.

Regarding our higher self's path for us, I really doubt that people do all of the negative things they do because this is what their higher selves want. It is probably more accurate to say that people diverge from their pre-incarnation goals quite a bit. One of the reasons they do is because there are a lot of negative influences.

Perhaps a goal isn't worth achieving if we have no choice when it comes to achieving it.
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Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"?
Reply #124 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 6:33pm
 
Yes Kathy:

I'm low consciousness and I just don't get it.

Lights of Love wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 5:56pm:
recoverer wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
If consciousness didn't have anything to be  aware of, it wouldn't serve much of a purpose. Say it is aware of love and peace. If so, then more than pure awareness exists. If one says that love and awareness aren't separate from consciousness, then perhaps other things such as intelligence and the creative aspect of being also aren't separate from consciousness.

If this is so, then perhaps people make a mistake when they overly focus on the  consciousness aspect of being and feel as if they have to push eveything else away.  Perhaps pushing love, peace, intelligence and the creative aspect of being away isn't any different than pushing consciousness away. When one does so one pushes away parts of one's self. Why would a sane person seek to do such a thing?

When it comes to love, it is more than an energy one feels. Love also contains much intelligence.

I've found that people who over emphasize consciosness and the so-called unreality of the manifested "part" of reality don't have a comprehensive and balanced perspective of what reality is all about. Eventually they'll find that in order to become a fully integrated being they'll have to embrace all parts of themselves. When I say this I don't mean that they need to cling to negative tendencies of mind.


Seems to me you don't understand the nature of consciousness and how it could have evolved into ONE great big huge LOVE BEING thing!

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Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"?
Reply #125 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 7:15pm
 
It seems to me that whether we describe something 'real' or 'unreal' depends very much on our perspective and level of description. To a master craftsman an oak table is a very solid, real object while to a physicist the 'solidness' is an illusion - it is really a buzzing mass of sub-nuclear activity. Which view is the 'real' one - well that depends on your perspective !
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Reply #126 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 7:21pm
 
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@Justin: I think "green" is the color of "healing power", but I'm not expert in aura interpretation. I felt mainly pure unconditional love at that time. It was also a time of life changes, and it was the time when a comet (Hale-Bopp?) was visible in the sky for six weeks.
before ACIM (1996):
www.okx.de/images/aura01-1.jpg
during ACIM (1997):
www.okx.de/images/aura02-1.jpg
after ACIM (2000):
www.okx.de/images/aura03-1.jpg
last (2010):
www.okx.de/images/aura10-1.jpg


  Hi Oliver, thanks for explaining what green means to you.  Yes, healing can be one of the meanings or associations with the color, or rather vibratory frequency of "green", but usually in the more conventional sense of doctors and the like.  Green is a prominent color in the aura's of many doctors.  If it's more towards the blue green and bright, clear, etc, and mixed with more fast vibrational colors then they will be really good doctors or healer types that heal on various levels and not just physically. 

  Re: the part of your quote i highlighted, and someone is strongly tuning into pure, unconditional Love, this will show up in the aura as Golden, Golden White, and pure White Light emanations.  For most people, these frequency emanations are brief and transient and are most often seen in prayer, deep meditation, during a lot of clean, heart felt laughter, in an unusually kind or loving deed or thought, etc.

  It's pretty rare to see these vibratory emanations in large amounts, and in a more consistent sense in humans.  If these are found in large and consistent amounts in a human's aura, then they are true spiritual Teacher types, they are Expanded Guidance in human flesh. 

  Even large and consistent quantities of clear, vibrant, bright purple and violet is still pretty rare in auras, and indicates unusual maturity, and more real Helper types though not as intune as those with the more purely Golden, Golden White, and pure White Light auras. 

  True, and pure PUL itself though, is very much that of the White and Golden White Light. 

  The great thing about auras and colors etc., is that they are more objective in nature than human feelings.  Auras never lie or give false info, they are always a pure reflection of what a person is really about, really attuning to, etc.  For an example, someone like "Jesus" would have had a lot of Golden, Golden White, and pure White Light in his aura towards the end of his public ministry.  Because he was/is SO attuned to PUL in a more pure and consistent way.
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Re: What's your opinion on "A Course in Miracles"?
Reply #127 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 7:24pm
 
I'd say that something that exists is being viewed in different ways. If it didn't exist in some way, it couldn't be interpreted in varying ways. 




heisenberg69 wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 7:15pm:
It seems to me that whether we describe something 'real' or 'unreal' depends very much on our perspective and level of description. To a master craftsman an oak table is a very solid, real object while to a physicist the 'solidness' is an illusion - it is really a buzzing mass of sub-nuclear activity. Which view is the 'real' one - well that depends on your perspective !

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Reply #128 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 7:25pm
 
recoverer wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 6:33pm:
Yes Kathy:

I'm low consciousness and I just don't get it.

Lights of Love wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 5:56pm:
recoverer wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
If consciousness didn't have anything to be  aware of, it wouldn't serve much of a purpose. Say it is aware of love and peace. If so, then more than pure awareness exists. If one says that love and awareness aren't separate from consciousness, then perhaps other things such as intelligence and the creative aspect of being also aren't separate from consciousness.

If this is so, then perhaps people make a mistake when they overly focus on the  consciousness aspect of being and feel as if they have to push eveything else away.  Perhaps pushing love, peace, intelligence and the creative aspect of being away isn't any different than pushing consciousness away. When one does so one pushes away parts of one's self. Why would a sane person seek to do such a thing?

When it comes to love, it is more than an energy one feels. Love also contains much intelligence.

I've found that people who over emphasize consciosness and the so-called unreality of the manifested "part" of reality don't have a comprehensive and balanced perspective of what reality is all about. Eventually they'll find that in order to become a fully integrated being they'll have to embrace all parts of themselves. When I say this I don't mean that they need to cling to negative tendencies of mind.


Seems to me you don't understand the nature of consciousness and how it could have evolved into ONE great big huge LOVE BEING thing!



  No, no Albert, you're not using the right terms.  You're "High entropy"  Wink

  No need to feel bad though, i had a dream about you wherein Bruce told me, "go find ..... , he is more intune than i." 

  I knew my dream symbol was speaking of you when i awoke. So if you're "high entropy", then lord help the rest of us. 

  Edit insert later: (the above is sarcasm, i don't think Albert is high entropy aka low consciousness at all, as my dream guidance plainly pointed out)
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Reply #129 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 8:05pm
 
Justin:

Going by some of the Tom Campbell words I read gaining entrophy is mainly about living more according to unconditional love. Sounds good to me. Smiley
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Reply #130 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 8:20pm
 
recoverer wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 8:05pm:
Justin:

Going by some of the Tom Campbell words I read gaining entrophy is mainly about living more according to unconditional love. Sounds good to me. Smiley


Ummm... that would be low entropy.  Grin

High entropy being more disorganization of consciousness.  Low entropy being less disorganization.
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Reply #131 - Feb 27th, 2012 at 8:42pm
 
I don't have the lingo down real good. Whatever the case, I liked what Tom said in the chapter where he wrote about entrophy and love.

Lights of Love wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 8:20pm:
recoverer wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 8:05pm:
Justin:

Going by some of the Tom Campbell words I read gaining entrophy is mainly about living more according to unconditional love. Sounds good to me. Smiley


Ummm... that would be low entropy.  Grin

High entropy being more disorganization of consciousness.  Low entropy being less disorganization.

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