I have a basic question.  Leave it in the Afterlife board as a dumb question, or move this to the "PUL" board if you want.

Sex is the love and physical act between members of the opposite sex, and happens in locales where sexes are distinguished.  In some religions, we have: the desire locale (including earthly beings, which have sexes), the material locale (has form, but no sexes), the immaterial locale (formless).

Love can happen between any entities which care for each other.

Robert Monroe: Love is "loosh" (a term loosely sounding like "love"), which is emitted from humans and "harvested" by spiritial beings, which make us sounds like animals or tools used by them.

Bruce Moen demonstrated PUL between two opposite-sex humans, and in the 2nd Gathering Group, they say that if everyone hot love on earth, then every two persons of the opposite sex would f*ck and bear one child after nine months, this increasing the earth's population by half.  This is sex, not PUL.  Why would PUL need to be demostrated between two members of the opposite sex, and why would these people have this association of childbearing?

It make one wonder whether Bruce may have mislead the 2nd Gathering Group people to mis-think that PUL is sex.  I tend to call PUL in Chinese as "dà'ài" (my tone-marks are: ^ ^_ ´ `), or Great Love, like "The Nature" would be calls as "dàzìrân_, "Great Nature", but sexual love is far from Great Love.

It also make one wonder whether those people "have not yet passed to the sentimental stage" in their evolution, or have "passed the mostly sexual stage" in the path of becoming sexless.  Bruce may have "contaminated them" with earthly thoughts.

Also, during TMI exercises, it seems that people develop a close relation between members of the opposite sex, and make one wonder (as Bruce did) if this would be disloyal to one's own spouse.  How is opposite-sex relation in the Locale II, and what is amount of interaction which is still "ethical", and who judge that?

Robert Monroe, in Locale II, is "fond of" one "R. W." (which as quite suspicious what it stands for, as "R-a W-n" actually stands for one important female in TMI or in Robert's friends) or even had spiritual sex with her.  Is this ethical?

And Bruce Moen, I think, almost had a close relationship with one of the females guides in TMI, about the "hot tub", and playing in Locale II with her (in one of the earlier books), and also had a close relation with one female classmate (in one the later books), about playing in Locale II with this one.
Does this make one man "guilty" about disloyalty with one's own wife?  It this the cause of Bruce's detioration with his wife?  (I even forgot whether he kept his wife thought his life.)

Thanks in advance for all those who answer me.

Qiyao

Greetings Zhong Qiyao,

Some thoughts about your provacative ideas --

You're a guy, I bet    because many women will not compartmentalize these aspects of intimate energy as much as your post seems to. Many women  -- and men too, I hope -- require the sensations of love and PUL to be shared with their partner before they can get involved sexually.

I'm wonderring if different cultures affect our thinking on this. For example, if there were more arrnged marriages in the US, perhaps there'd be more needin the US to separate out sex from love or PUL.

RM's statements about 'loosh' seem like a pun for 'louche,' and that bothers me.  I look forward to whatever discussion your direct confrontation of this concept will bring 

As far as discussing any person's experiences with such energies, I'm not sure we can really know or even should know. It takes more than a few books to fully share such experiences, if one wanted to.

Best wishes, Bets

Going by my experience divine love/pul is one kind of energy, and lust is another.

Sometimes people who love each other will share love and lust with each other at the same time.

I don't know if a man's blood will flow sufficiently enough during sex if he isn't sexually aroused. If his blood doesn't flow sufficiently enough, not much is going to happen downstairs for him.

Sexuality comes from a biological organism (I didn't mispell this word and didn't mean the other ).

When I feel divine love it seems as if lust is incompatible.

1. Why are people and animals divided into two sexes?

2. Why do the two sexes like each other?

3. What is the essense when you look at, or talk to, or smile at, or blink you eyes at, a member of the opposite sex?  Is this a manifestation of animality, or opposite polarities of energy, or Love (in capital)?

Thanks.

1. They are big questions Qiyao.

What is love?
What is sex?
Why are people and animals (and plants and other life) divided into sexes?
Why are the sexes attracted to each other?
What is the (essence of the) attraction of the sexes?
What is lust?
What is loosh?

2. And some other questions too.

What is PUL?
What is locale II (astral / out of body) sex/attraction and how much of it / what type of it is ethical?

3. And some less defined questions/wanderings regarding whether writers Monroe and Moen may have been in error here in there, in their writings and/or thinking/behaviour in/out of body regarding sex/attractions/interactions. And mixed in amongst this group of  questions are some assumptions (clear but probably loosely held) about human spiritual evolution. 

I think the answers to the first group of questions will go a long way towards answering the questions in groups two and three. So perhaps groups two and three can be put aside awhile.

But what of questions in group one? They are not surface questions and you are not interested in only surface answers. You ask these questions deeply and you want their deeper answers and deeper understanding. How deep do you hope to go? How deep can you go? In their deeper sense the subjects that you ask about are huge and hard to grasp. They are from here to God and back. They can only be understood within an expanded mind, and in the soul, and in the heart. Do you hope to receive understanding of such matters from off the internet, from someone's forum post?

You dangle your questions like fishing bait in cyber space, hoping a fish who knows their answers will swim by and maybe answer you. But even if someone had the answers that you crave, and could put those answers in a sentence or two for each question, you might not recognise or understand those answers. You might read over them too briefly and miss their truth. Most likely you would, for if your mind and heart were clear and open enough to take in those answers then you would barely need to ask the questions. But on the other side, the fact you ask the questions shows you are nearly there to understand the answers. You just must open a little further your heart and mind in the right ways.

Can you breathe and meditate and pray? Can you empty out your prior understandings? Can you put aside your preferences? Can you take your question and a clear and receptive mind in and up to God? Do you have a God? Do you accept there is something greater than your self? An all encompassing and all permeating intelligence, accessible by you through you? Do you / can you meditate and pray? Take your questions there. See if your understanding improves. 


To others: I mean not to take anything away from other's answers to Qiyao's questions - for there are some very interesting answers already. Nor do I put down other means of gaining answers, like asking other people through any medium. I only point to an additional resource and method. For the questions Qiyao raises and their answers are not easily comprehended. We can all do more work upon expanding our minds and hearts so that we can comprehend greater truths.   
  

Qiyao and all,

1. Upon re-reading my post above I realise I rambled and was not clear. It was late last night and I was too tired. Should have let it go until morning. I meant to have a go at prioritising the questions in order of their possible overlapping each other and suggest some priming of head and heart through practicing meditation/prayer because they are such huge subjects and hard to communicate in words, but I see I was over worded clumsy and fuzzy. I won't edit it though, just won't type when I'm that tired anymore.   

2. I like the points and observations on people's posts above. These are interesting questions and distinctions to explore - real head stretchers. Thank you Qiyao. I will have a go at putting up some answers too after I have thought about them some more because at the moment I am not sure how to approach them.

Thanks for all your replies.
Now there seems to be two kinds of love.

One is compassion-oriented, and cares for all beings.  Ryuho Okawa may be more oriented towards this is his Happy(ness) Science.

Ryuho Okawa (大川隆法, Ookawa Ryûhô) has written a book on love, happiness, and forgiveness, and (Chinese: 愛與幸福的原點; the English name of which I don't know, but may be "Love, Nurture, and Forgive").  It answers quite some questions on love, being an energy in all matter.  The author does have some directions on life, but if hailed to highly, it is afraid that he may be god-ified, or his thought have created (yet) another god.

The other is sex-oriented (or sex-coloured), and is prominent between members of the opposite sexes, and happens in the "desire planes" in religions, and may lead to extramaritial tendencies, which Bruce Moen's books seem to be oriented, with Rebecca and Sabrina.  What does the author's wife say?

Thus although Bruce Moen's books does give directions on live beyond the human world, it is suspicious that they (not Robert Monroe's) may have misrecognised the energy in the Desire Planes (one group of several Heaven Planes closest to the Human Plane, where life forms are divided into sexes), that happens between sexes, as Pure Unconditional Love.  I wonder whether of our netters think differently.

Thanks.

"loosh" is the "experiencing the experience with your whole self", thus - experiencing with compassion, love and conscuois participation. Sometimes mixed with PUL, but it's not. Sometimes mixed with experiences as items (like books or ROTES), but it's not. The process of living the experience you experience. Loosh. And that why it's so valuable.