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seeking_answers Full Member Offline Posts: 111	To all skeptics here Nov 7^th, 2011 at 10:27am Hello everyone, Thanks for ur replies to my previous post.While we r seeking answers, i am, not a skeptic, i guess we have just not found our faith in it. So the question is...for all skeptics What proof is enough to believe?
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usetawuz Senior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 397 ne fla Gender:	Re: To all skeptics here Reply #1 - Nov 7^th, 2011 at 1:48pm seeking_answers wrote on Nov 7^th, 2011 at 10:27am: What proof is enough to believe? To me, I have all the proof I need...as for sceptics, they will come to their own conclusions and ideally be open to the "proof" that will come their way. It is their choice as to how to figure out if it is valid for them.
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Reply #2 - Nov 7^th, 2011 at 2:24pm

Ah Seeking Answers

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in my eyes, the question is wrong.

Proof does not make one believe, proof means knowledge, right? Belief does not need to be 100% proved, hence the word "believe".

I`ve answered your questions in PM and therefore you know that I can feel with you about the difficulties you are going through. But I do not think anyone seeking 100% convincing, empirical, repeatable, scientific-according-to-the-current-methodology-and-standard proof for the existence of an afterlife will be successful at least at the time we are living in currently.

When you deal with science a lot, by the way, you will find that very many complex phenomena can be discounted in some convincing scientific way as not being proved enough.

Keep an open mind, Seeker, and do not despair. Life, the universe and everything is too complex to be proved with what we know at the current moment. It may all be and it may all not be. What we do know is that life is very beautiful and precious and that the universe is a place full of mystery and wonder.

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Reply #3 - Nov 7^th, 2011 at 3:22pm

Seeking,
My response to your other post is pertinent to this one too:
Every single scientific advance in history began with a question, an unknown. If you wait for science to catch up with truth, you will waste another lifetime. The greatest scientists in history truly BELIEVED in their theories. In some cases, they were vindicated in their beliefs, and in others not. Just because "science" has not "proven" to its own satisfacton, that the soul survives, does not mean that it doesn't.

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Reply #4 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 12:12pm

The skeptics answer.......

When dealing with spiritualistic matters in regards to an afterlife......

#1. 5 people (sitters) pulled off the street by the skeptic.

#2. 5 spiritual mediums, chosen by the skeptic, seated with a divider between the chosen sitters.

#3. The sitters only able to give yes or no responses which are later verified with other sources by the skeptic.

#4. No less than 3 HIGHLY accurate readings with MAJOR hits from the mediums with no sign of cold reading.

Yes... all this AND the skeptic MUST be present for the testing, data recording, and verification process.

P.S. POOP on Gary Schwartz and his 2 sequel books which go all crazy go nuts on the afterlife, making assumptions and raking in the profits.

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seeking_answers Full Member Offline Posts: 111	Re: To all skeptics here Reply #5 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 12:18pm You know Focus, i think the best way to go would be drunk, at least i wouldnt be so afraid then...thinking about it when sober scares the fcuk out of me
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Focus27 Full Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 183	Re: To all skeptics here Reply #6 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 12:21pm Hey Seeking.... You can't go to Outer space!!!! ....Oh wait! You can't split an atom!!!! ....Oh wait! You can't live forever!!!! ....Just wait.
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seeking_answers Full Member Offline Posts: 111	Re: To all skeptics here Reply #7 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 12:28pm hmmm..thts true.......
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Reply #8 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 12:34pm

Most people don't know this.....

But we have even done Nuclear Fusion.... yes. the wierd scientific Nuclear fusion said to power all sorts of crazy gizmos.......

We HAVE fused TWO atoms together. The resulting explosion of power is... INSANE. Barely contained. In fact, it, is not a feasible source of power simply because in order to contain the power takes too much containment!!!!

LOL! Grin

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seeking_answers Full Member Offline Posts: 111	Re: To all skeptics here Reply #9 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 12:37pm are u hinting towards immortality in the coming future?
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Reply #10 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 12:48pm

Sure I am.... but with the current state of technology and our current strives in life extension, the people in this era will still likely die in the hundreds/hundreds and teens. We just aren't quite at the point of stopping cellular degeneration through telomares getting shorter from each cell division which causes age spots and overall cell death and, eventually human death. In order to stop aging, we have to stop it at a cellular level, which means finding a way to keep cells dividing and replenishing continuously.

I have little doubt we will some day have the answer to this.

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Oliver Ex Member	Re: To all skeptics here Reply #11 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 1:11pm problem is where to look for proof. looking outside of yourself, you find nothing there. deep inside oneself is all proof one can find. outside is no proof for anything.
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Reply #12 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 4:14pm

Proof versus model.

As a software writer, you create a model, according to which you write a software. Then - the software either works (less or more correctly) or not.

First - it's a matter of abstraction layer and model, then - you can seek for proof, staring by defining it's parameters.

It is simple as that. The rest resides in emotions. People buy your software or not. It depends on needs and marketing, which is are a matter of yet another layer of abstraction (-;

Proof versus model.

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Reply #13 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 4:51pm

Focus & seeking,

First of all I'm not attacking either of you for being here, if it seems like I am I promise you I'm not, it's what I'm like.

The thing is I really don't understand why you have this fear of death, you could say that I accept the afterlife so that is why I don't fear it but it's not. Not once in my life have I ever feared it and I have only accepted the afterlife this year, I'm 29 by the way.

Focus,

"Sure I am.... but with the current state of technology and our current strives in life extension, the people in this era will still likely die in the hundreds/hundreds and teens. We just aren't quite at the point of stopping cellular degeneration through telomares getting shorter from each cell division which causes age spots and overall cell death and, eventually human death. In order to stop aging, we have to stop it at a cellular level, which means finding a way to keep cells dividing and replenishing continuously.

I have little doubt we will some day have the answer to this."

So in several thousand years you believe that we will have the key to eternal life? Fair enough but old age is just one way that we can die. How about the 10000001 other ways too.

Not to mention you, me and everyone currently on earth will be dead by this time so pinning your hopes on this is futile. You have already acknowledged this yourself.

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Who wants to spend eternity in this s**thole anyway? Roll Eyes

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Regardless of what you believe death is inevitable, once you are born you are going to die at some point. You can die in many ways at any time, I suppose you can take action to prevent potential death situations but there will always be that one time where it will happen and there's nothing you can do about it.

I'm not trying to make you feel worse I tell it like it is, there's little point in sugar coating it.

Live your life while you have it, if you want something then go and get it, all the time you're worrying about death it is slowly creeping up on you and then you've wasted your time worrying about what is going to happen anyway.

I just think it's rather silly and illogical, that's all

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Andy

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Reply #14 - Nov 8^th, 2011 at 5:07pm

Hey Andy,

Yeah it does sound illogical at times to many, but so is the fear of water etc. if given a choice id rather live without this fear, and i try VERY hard to shake it off..and secondly, although all the older members are here due to the knowledge of afterlife, there are some, who r here because they fear death. its just that they come and go, and hardly stick around.

Trust me it feels shitty everyday living with that fear, and of losing my family....i'd rather not fear..but i feel helpless..some ppl cope up, i find it hard.

PS- u spoke ur mind andy, its all good in the hood. Your honest replies are always accepted and respected

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