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Reply #75 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 2:32pm
 
8 months ago my girlfriend found our 15 month old son unconscious and not breathing in his cot.

I heard her scream, ran upstairs and immediately and started resuscitation while she phoned for an ambulance. I didn't stop until the paramedics arrived where they took over and were trying for over an hour.

After this we were taken to the hospital with our son and the worst was confirmed, he was gone.

That same night the police had to search our house for any evidence and I had to give a full statement to them the next day, also a post mortem examination had to be carried out on our son to try and find a cause of death.

Then we had to arrange his funeral and await the date for his inquest which has now been confirmed for December, also worth noting is that I have got to speak there as a witness.

My girlfriend was 15 weeks pregnant at the time too.

This event decimated what little belief that I had of an afterlife not to mention my will to live my life.

Then one night I had put a jacket on my sons folded up playpen, as I walked through a doorway (within a few milliseconds of time that the playpen was in my vision) the jacket was pulled off the playpen but nobody was there to do it. My son actually did this all of the time while he was here physically by the way, also my 2 cats witnessed this and it was hard to find who was more shocked out of the 3 of us, I've never seen them so freaked out before.

A couple of days later my girlfriend found one of his toys on the floor, no big deal though? Except that for this toy to get on the floor the toy on top of it in the box would have had to be on the floor also, it wasn't it was still in the box!

Then there's the brief movements just out of vision which me, my girlfriend, the cats and our dog have seen at the same time. I won't bother mentioning the L which was drawn in the middle of my big LCD T.V screen, my sons name began with L and there's no way anyone else did it.

There's so much more that has happened but I can't be bothered to post anymore.

The week of my sons death I had an interview for a decent well paid job, the type which can get me somewhere financially. I had to cancel it obviously but within a month I was able to go to the interview, I got the job and I'm still there. Not once have I thought about not going in due to feeling down.

My second son has now been born and is 10 weeks old, we're not finding it nearly as hard as it should be under the circumstances. He likes the photos of his brother so much so that they make him smile, the biggest smile he can achieve infact. He frowns at photos of anyone else so clearly he knows who his brother is, it's not rocket science is it?

But how does he know who he is?

The materialistic view cannot and will not give an explanation for this or the other things mentioned, well they will try but to be frank they will be wrong.

Feel free to call me a "kook" or delusional but remember one thing, people who throw stones shouldn't live in glass houses.

In other words I could say the same for you, there's no evidence to suggest that I am either of those things and the same goes for anyone else.

Also, I'm not the one who is scared to death of the inevitable  Roll Eyes, no pun intended  Wink.

P.S. Hallucination, delusion or belief does not explain how I've been able to get up, brush myself off and move forward at 100 mph. The materialist view is so pathetic and childish, I can't believe that anybody gets sucked in by it. It's not hard, just apply some true scepticism to it and it just falls apart under it's own weight of BS.

I have applied scepticism to my new found beliefs and the only conclusion which makes sense is the existence of the afterlife, coincidence doesn't cut the mustard as there's been that many that you would be delusional to think it is.

Admittedly this is just someone's story but nevertheless for this person it's worked wonders.

Andy
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Reply #76 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 3:01pm
 
"Feel free to call me a "kook" or delusional but remember one thing, people who throw stones shouldn't live in glass houses."

I live in a house covered with planks, Andy. Throwing stones around and the lot bouncing back might be a paved road to kooky town. At least the planks signal I'm not a tree-hugger, there are none around and my preference is people anyways. Wink

"Admittedly this is just someone's story but nevertheless for this person it's worked wonders."

I like stories about challenges in all sizes being dealt with in an excellent manner, and yours is one of them.
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Reply #77 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 4:39pm
 
Andy, very sorry for ur loss, but then i guess he came back in ur second kids form. Smiley

Yes thats what i said, if u can live with a belief, then its all good, coz u can sleep well at night. i guess those masters who train suicide bombers do a pretty decent job of brainwashing those guys, we should hire one to brain wash ppl in a positive manner.

PS- i am not glorifying terrorism, it was in a lighter vein.
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Reply #78 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 7:04pm
 
Volu,

Thanks for your reply and appreciation of my story, it means a lot for people to read it and feel something from it.

Seeking,

My son has not come back as my other son, I can assure you of that. If he did I would know.

"Yes thats what i said, if u can live with a belief, then its all good, coz u can sleep well at night. i guess those masters who train suicide bombers do a pretty decent job of brainwashing those guys, we should hire one to brain wash ppl in a positive manner."

I'm not living with a "belief" they are facts for me, if I could prove this to you I would and anyone else for that matter but I just can't, then again why should I have to? You either believe it yourself or you don't. So for you, you would be living with a belief that I am being truthful.

It's funny you should mention brainwashing, materialism fits that description if ever I've seen it. Just like the suicide bombers who are caught up in a belief system so much that they would blow themselves to pieces for their "cause", they're gullible people and this is the extreme end of what happens when you allow someone else to dictate what's right and wrong to you, instead of finding out for yourself.

I don't have much time to explain it fully so I'll have to keep this brief. One good example is the fashion industry, it's not so bad anymore but it used to be all about skeletal models which aren't my cup of tea at all, but this was causing young girls to become anorexic as they believed that is what men found attractive as it's what they read in the latest issue of "how to look great". In reality most men don't find this attractive at all.

If they stopped reading the magazines then they wouldn't be in this position and would probably find something better to do, not to mention healthier.

Brainwashing is never positive as it's done to fit in with an agenda, normally greed or power.

Sorry if this does not make any sense, I'll try to explain better when I have more time.

Andy


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Reply #79 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 8:41pm
 
Hi Andy,

Congratulations on your newborn!!

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Reply #80 - Nov 7th, 2011 at 1:29am
 
Seeking Answers,

Why are you so shy of belief while saying you would rather know the truth?
Don't the founders of great religions say we must believe to know the truth?
   
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Reply #81 - Nov 7th, 2011 at 10:43am
 
i do believe, but the belief gets weak when scientific facts , even common questions hit against that belief. Undecided
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Reply #82 - Nov 7th, 2011 at 11:41am
 
Every single scientific advance in history began with a question, an unknown. If you wait for science to catch up with truth, you will waste another lifetime. The greatest scientists in history truly BELIEVED in their theories. In some cases, they were vindicated in their beliefs, and in others not. Just because "science" has not "proven" to its own satisfacton, that the soul survives, does not mean that it doesn't.
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Reply #83 - Nov 7th, 2011 at 3:26pm
 
Hi Vicki,

Thank you  Smiley.

Seeking,

"i do believe, but the belief gets weak when scientific facts , even common questions hit against that belief."

You should post these scientific "facts" and common questions which hit against your beliefs, I don't know of any. As far as science is concerned they don't know whether the afterlife exists or not. In a be all and end all proof sense that is  Smiley.

However, from what I can see the evidence for the afterlife existing far outweighs the evidence against it existing, this does not include my experiences of course although they are being looked into as they have been experienced by millions of people around the world  Roll Eyes.

I have not experienced any of the below things by the way.

NDE's: Some scientists have said that it is the brain being starved of oxygen which causes them, however studies have been done which have shown nde experiencers to have higher than normal oxygen levels, kind of pees on their bonfire doesn't it? It was a feeble excuse anyway.

OBE's: I read a book by a well known pseudosceptic called Richard Wiseman. In this book he states that obe's are just peoples imagination. Straight away I can see that he is replacing one thing which he claims has no supporting evidence with something else which has no evidence either  Roll Eyes.

Mediums: In his book he also attempts to debunk mediums, in one section he claims that it is all done be cold reading as he knows someone who does this but he doesn't name him  Huh. For all I know he could be making this up but even if he isn't, this doesn't mean that all mediums do this, if they do then why aren't they all serving time in prison for fraud?

There's also one medium called George Anderson and if you decide to take a reading with him then you have the option to give a false name, he insists on this infact. He also only accepts yes or no answers and rarely asks (if ever) to elaborate. Read some of his books they are quite interesting but as always keep an open mind.

There's more but I don't have much time, at least I can be bothered to post some of it  Grin.

Andy

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Reply #84 - Nov 7th, 2011 at 7:03pm
 
Yeah, it can be a bit disappointing. There are few scientists in science. Most scientists are only a little less emotionally driven than the average member of their societies. And many are clearly devoid of an ability to think rationally. Presenting themselves as what they think is intellectual while swinging emotionally with the crowd is all many of them are good at.

A scientist is a level of mental attainment, being primarily an understanding of and proficiency at using the intelligence in conjunction with reality, and using that attainment to pursue truth (reality) by logical means. Sounds easy enough. But corruption creeps in where boundaries are ill defined. 

Unfortunately clear and strong foundations of scientific thinking are not part of our basic education system. If they were then our societies would not be susceptible to so much of the nonsensical and cunning propaganda that gets dispersed. Structural and qualitative definitions of awareness, consciousness, thought, choice, passive and active intelligence, reason, logic, analysis, creative intelligence, emotion, belief, knowledge, assumption, calculation, truth, falsity, etc, remain ill defined in shape and substance - their centres are roughly realised but their boundaries are fuzzy, not crisp. There is no hope of building a clear picture out of fuzzy pieces. And these pieces are the building blocks of what should be clear and rational thinking. If these and other essential pieces were clearly defined and correctly interlocked, and if our education system covered them, then thinking would be clear and rational. But they are not, and the average standard of rational thinking in the world is quite poor compared to what it could be. I expect it will pick up in the future though. Computers are rational, inflexible and evolving things and we will have to keep up with them. And they operate from a similar black and white intelligence base as does our human intelligence, so I expect we will learn about our own intelligence and how to think clearer from them.         

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Reply #85 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 1:01am
 
Greetings all.


   There are many fears in this physical world that we are all challenged with. Overcoming them is the key to gaining wisdom. No one wants fear and not everyone has to face it.

   As for me, I guess the top three I have left would be losing control of my mind, being imprisoned and physically tortured, or losing my sense of love for myself and others. So far I'm safe from any of those things happening to me while in this physical body. With God's help, I plan on keeping it that way.   Smiley

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Reply #86 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 1:37am
 
Seeking and Focus27,

Many people are undergoing a period of this fear in their life. I certainly have. I get the feeling that you are holding on very tightly to this fear. And it is in return holding on very tightly to your life, lessening your ability to enjoy it. My advice is to try and let go this fear, little by little, actively working on it. Only when you are not debilitated by this fear anymore can you start living and growing again, spiritually and otherwise. And if you are one of the people - also like me - who will be a little afflicted by the fear of death all our lives, then that is our lot (and maybe our task, who knows?). Do not let it totally smother you. Try concentrate on the positive and on love and joy. I can promise you it will help in time. Be patient. And do not be shy to get other help too.

To the others in this thread - reading this has reminded me how grateful I am that you are out there and so generously giving of your thoughts and experiences, endeavouring to help others.Just let me say Thank You again Smiley

It has been some time since I was here, but I have nit forgotten any of you and your help.

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Reply #87 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 4:54pm
 
chrwe wrote on Nov 8th, 2011 at 1:37am:
To the others in this thread - reading this has reminded me how grateful I am that you are out there and so generously giving of your thoughts and experiences, endeavouring to help others.Just let me say Thank You again Smiley

It has been some time since I was here, but I have nit forgotten any of you and your help.

Chrwe


Hello Chrwe, and allow me to compliment you on your refreshing perspective!  I remember when alot of your questions were along the same lines as Seeking's.  I am pleased to see that you found answers that allay at least some of your concerns regarding the afterlife...I think your clear analysis of your fear promoted a strong desire in alot of us to help you find your truths...at least it felt that way to me.

Once again, good to read you and so happy to see your cogent comments!

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Reply #88 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 7:25am
 
This post is directed at both myself, seeking and others that doubt the afterlife:

Of course we can think of numerous reasons why the afterlife doesn't exist.

#1 Thinking about reasons why it doesn't is not healthy. Especially in my state of mind.

#2 Researching possible facts about the afterlife actually existing is very healthy.

The bottom line:

We both need to have open minds and do research, not close our minds and panic.
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Reply #89 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 4:55pm
 
Focus,


"#1 Thinking about reasons why it doesn't is not healthy. Especially in my state of mind."

I wouldn't say it's unhealthy to think of reasons why it doesn't, clearly it's not helping your state of mind. Some people don't want to believe that the afterlife is a possibility due to this being a belief that makes them happy. It's similar to having blind faith like some religious people, in my opinion of course. Could it be your state of mind making you think this way? If so I can imagine it being a vicious circle.

"#2 Researching possible facts about the afterlife actually existing is very healthy."

There's certainly nothing wrong with researching a subject. In order to come to a conclusion you have to look at both sides of the story.

"We both need to have open minds and do research, not close our minds and panic."

Absolutely, minds of which are not open tend to not function as they should, and panic is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard  Wink.

Anyway, it's nice to see a more positive post from yourself Focus  Smiley.

Andy




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