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Reply #60 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 4:54am
 
Vicky,

Do you know what the selfless group's last words were? We're no more!

I feel I know one of the particular experiences you talk about but reluctant to label anything unconditional and don't see the reason why. But at least surprised how something so calm can be so overwhelming. Progress is self-serving, some times, not all the time.

If you, whoever you are, the reader, reading this, would like to make progress for me while I'm surfing the net and having a snack, please let me know, for your own good, of course. And leave you at the door, the progress is for ME!
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Reply #61 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 8:01am
 
Hey Bets, I'm not sure but are you saying that I am discrediting PUL? I think PUL is a wonderful idea, but I just don't see any real love other than that. So why not just call it love. Like John Lennon wrote. Love is Real. If the love is real its PUL. There is no other. To have a duality of love means something I just can't wrap my head around.
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Reply #62 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 8:06am
 
crossbow,

Light and dark:
The early morning rain left tiny drops of water on her face. A first timer out of the nest, being on her own, restless feet walking around the block, without really knowing why. Maybe it was the fresh air that helped clear the lingering thoughts. Maybe it was about just doing something else for a change, leaving the doubts to dry in the back of the mind.
     A man approached her asking for a lighter. "Could he be the spiritual knight in shining armour", she thought while passing the fire that was going to light up his cigarette like a torch in the dark, yet it wasn't dark, but actually turning out be a bright and sunny day. "Please, sweep me off my feet, and let me float above the ground, mesmerized by your surprise party for my soul."
     "No, I'm not the one you're looking for", he said and continued to whisper to the reader, "don't worry, there's no impending doom to be found between us. We're not headed for a fall". Her raised eyebrows hinted at the confusion, but eventually processed what he said to her.
     Meanwhile at a lawn nearby the two people having a conversation, an ant struggled with a piece of grass, carrying it home for his queen. Somewhat whipped doesn't even begin to explain his story. He whistled a tune, oblivious to the snake following him. She had caught the grass moving around in the corner of her eye. She once got a glimpse of her eye in in a piece of broken glass, and thought looked a lot like the eye in lord of the rings. But anyway, movie snake buffs aside, the snake following the ant didn't know there was a crow eyeing them both. The crow scratched it's feathers and then went for a fly. A feather fell down to the ground, and it'd be cool if it was used to write this story, but this keyboard will do just fine.
     "There's this story being passed on. It's about an indian talking with his grandchild", and the man paused, maybe to be artsy fartsy. "In all people there are two wolves fighting. One is evil - anger, fear, envy, jealousy, greed, arrogance, self-pity, lie and selfishness. The other one is good - joy, peace, love, hope, calm, humility, eager, empathy, truth and trust. Which wolf wins, the child asked, and the grandfather said, the one you feed".
     "That's a kind of true but also a simplification that ends up eating it's own tail, old man, looping around the cigarette addiction!", she burst out, laughing.
     "I know, balance is a stranger to this world", he said, "but you're wrong, I'm not addicted to cigarettes anymore. That was your assumption. I haven't used the lighter yet, and now I'm handing it back, as I didn't really need it".
     "I'm gonna go get some groceries for the weekend", the writer chimed in, and basically, they all prospered and progressed towards the ever changing glimpse of perfection.
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Reply #63 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 8:08am
 
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Reply #64 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 9:14am
 
Volu wrote on Nov 5th, 2011 at 8:06am:
crossbow,

Light and dark:
The early morning rain left tiny drops of water on her face. A first timer out of the nest, being on her own, restless feet walking around the block, without really knowing why. Maybe it was the fresh air that helped clear the lingering thoughts. Maybe it was about just doing something else for a change, leaving the doubts to dry in the back of the mind.
     A man approached her asking for a lighter. "Could he be the spiritual knight in shining armour", she thought while passing the fire that was going to light up his cigarette like a torch in the dark, yet it wasn't dark, but actually turning out be a bright and sunny day. "Please, sweep me off my feet, and let me float above the ground, mesmerized by your surprise party for my soul."
     "No, I'm not the one you're looking for", he said and continued to whisper to the reader, "don't worry, there's no impending doom to be found between us. We're not headed for a fall". Her raised eyebrows hinted at the confusion, but eventually processed what he said to her.
     Meanwhile at a lawn nearby the two people having a conversation, an ant struggled with a piece of grass, carrying it home for his queen. Somewhat whipped doesn't even begin to explain his story. He whistled a tune, oblivious to the snake following him. She had caught the grass moving around in the corner of her eye. She once got a glimpse of her eye in in a piece of broken glass, and thought looked a lot like the eye in lord of the rings. But anyway, movie snake buffs aside, the snake following the ant didn't know there was a crow eyeing them both. The crow scratched it's feathers and then went for a fly. A feather fell down to the ground, and it'd be cool if it was used to write this story, but this keyboard will do just fine.
     "There's this story being passed on. It's about an indian talking with his grandchild", and the man paused, maybe to be artsy fartsy. "In all people there are two wolves fighting. One is evil - anger, fear, envy, jealousy, greed, arrogance, self-pity, lie and selfishness. The other one is good - joy, peace, love, hope, calm, humility, eager, empathy, truth and trust. Which wolf wins, the child asked, and the grandfather said, the one you feed".
     "That's a kind of true but also a simplification that ends up eating it's own tail, old man, looping around the cigarette addiction!", she burst out, laughing.
     "I know, balance is a stranger to this world", he said, "but you're wrong, I'm not addicted to cigarettes anymore. That was your assumption. I haven't used the lighter yet, and now I'm handing it back, as I didn't really need it".
     "I'm gonna go get some groceries for the weekend", the writer chimed in, and basically, they all prospered and progressed towards the ever changing glimpse of perfection
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hmm ... vewy interwesting ... I might print it off and stick it on the wall.
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Reply #65 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 5:23am
 
I am scared right now. I have roughly 5 panic attacks per month from fear, not of death, but of my firm belief that death is the end of consciousness, existence, and me.

The Monroe Institute, Bruce Moen, The Lawyer presenting the case for the afterlife, spiritual mediums ( I have tested 3 )

All kooks. They themselves are simply using imagination and or are delusional. I am facing the reality, the facts, using the science.

I am scared.

I am afraid.

My heart pounds. I pace around the apartment. I will die. I will end. I will cease to be.

Welcome to my world.
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Reply #66 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 5:57am
 
I doubt that very much focus27. You are eternal. Listen to the Raydio sometime. I mean really listen to what those songs are saying. Pretend if you have to, that they are singing directly to you and that you are the everything. You'll get it, I promise. It's so easy to fall in love with yourself and once you accomplish that the rest is gravy baby.

Listen carefully to this first one. At first listen you think he;s saying "I can't hear it"...but listen VERY closely  and you'll realize he's saying "I CAN Hear it". It's very subtle. Music has its own consciousness. It is the angels trying to reach you every moment of every day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpJOR9ew9f4

This one is easier. The title itself says it all but it may be the most beautiful song ever written if you can get into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvImD7oUoi0

I like this one because it describes me to a tee. I do this every day and I was so happy when I found someone who also did it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izLt1fbU1cE&feature=fvwrel

These songs won't make you enlightened, but enlightenment is neither good or bad, it just is. Don't judge yourself too harshly ever. You are the Everything and so are the rest of us. The best thing is to listen to the radio everyday on your favorite station unless its very negative music...that stuff is good too, but its very hard to gain from it until you're used to the concept of "listening" with your heart.

Good luck and feel free to PM me if you need some other songs or you just want to chat it up about this stuff. But if you have made up your mind that you are not eternal I hate to disappoint but that ain't it kid, that ain't it. Good luck.

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Reply #67 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 6:18am
 
Focus27,
"Welcome to my world."

That's more like welcome to the world, and it isn't an exclusive fear just for you, it's what everybody deals with sooner or later. I've had times where just walking though the city felt like having a meltdown, but the social anxiety is a thing of the past now. Thing is though, I didn't blame the passers-by for my fear or expect them to fix it. The insitute isn't accountable for your fears. Neither is moen or the lawyer. And no 'but..' will change that.
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Reply #68 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 6:24am
 
Volu, I have been dealing with this for years now, with no end in sight.
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Reply #69 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 6:32am
 
No end in sight, that's good right? Wink My biggest fear, a non-physical one, has taken over 10 years to deal with. Haven't got the recipe for dealing with fears, but I suspect at least one of the ingredients is knowledge about that which we fear.

And maybe, just maybe, eradicating a fear competely in the span of one lifetime is like trying to eat an elephant. It could be that the steps forward seem so small, the fear is still there, but the progress will make it bearable, at least, and then the road further gets easier.
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Reply #70 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 8:00am
 
Focus27 wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 5:23am:
I am scared right now ... of my firm belief that death is the end of consciousness, existence, and me.

Focus27,

What a great motivation you have to live in the here and now, to get busy with life, to do and achieve as much as you can.

Some people go through life in slow motion, wasting one opportunity after another, thinking they are passing time until they get to some fancy afterlife or heaven, or fantasising that they'll get around to doing more in their next lifetime.

But not you. You fear that you have only this one life, so you are motivated. Use your fear; that's what its there for. Live with it and love it. Convert it into energy that gets things done, makes things happen, and lives life to the full. 

If there were more people with your fear, less wasting time and more work and living might get done.   
 
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Reply #71 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 8:11am
 
RIGHT ON, Crossbow, I dig that totally.
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Reply #72 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 10:08am
 
Cross,

Im sure everyone here is highly self motivated for one reason or another. The point u made is excellent, but it doesnt help with allaying the fears. I share the same fears as Focus 27. Infact, not just my death, i cannot see anyone dying in front of me. And im the only kid of my parents.

I may nt fear death if it just came, but i cannot and do not wish to die on a bed pumped up with drugs and stuff, when im gasping for breath and morphine knocks me out before i suffocate...

the power of the brain is proven to me by the amount of negative thoughts i get on a per minute basis. And thats the biggest proof against the afterlife, i get NO help from my "higher self" or spirit guide watever u may call it.

Distressing indeed. im not a coward, im just more anxious than others. Sometimes i guess having a BELIEF, watever it may be, is better than seeking the truth. it makes u live easier.
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Reply #73 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 12:38pm
 
Hi Seeking,

Re: being "pumped up" with drugs at that crucial time of life --
that may have been an accurate term at one time but now that doctors know about palliative care (for painfree living even up the time of death), they regulate painkillers so that the person thinks and communicates more clearly than when (s)he was without the painkillers. During that very crucial time of facing death, the patient can more clearly see the whole of his/her life.

From what I've seen so far approaching death slowly is no longer a time to fear.
Rather we are given access to a phase that includes developing and sharing new viewpoints on life.
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Reply #74 - Nov 6th, 2011 at 1:04pm
 
My dad used to say it all stops when your biological reactions atop. Then a year after he died a woman came to me to say she had a message for me from "Good Natured Jack" which was my father's pet name for himself. She said he told her to tell me, "You were right about everything, Thomas." He had before he died read CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD, BOOK ONE at my urging, but had slammed it closed when he got to the part that ..."even Hitler went to heaven."

If you think, Focus, that there is nothing beyond, think again. I have no doubt whatsoever, and literally hundreds of instances of confirmation. It is not my task to lead you to belief. Go ahead and be dead right about it all....

Nothing scares me anymore. Life is but a dream, my friends.

Love and Light,
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