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Reply #45 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 4:32am
 
I totally concur with your Crossbow. Excellent post. I would just like to say that Pure Unconditional Love is a little redundant (Sorry Bruce) Pure Love is unconditional by definition. When we put in "unconditional" it sounds a little pretentious to me. Is it just me? Cheesy
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Reply #46 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 6:17am
 
You are certainly correct Beau, love is pure and unconditional, but people generally do not realise that. Instead, they think love is an emotion of preferential affections. And so they must be informed that true love is pure and unconditional. The distinction needs to be made between emotional preferential love and heartfelt true love. So the term Pure Unconditional Love is not yet redundant, for it is educational and explanatory to those who are yet to distinguish true love from conditional love. But personally I prefer to see the term Pure Unconditional Love written in full, rather than as the acronym PUL, so that the occasional or chance reader who comes across the term knows what is being referred to. To such a reader, the acronym PUL means nothing, and a chance to educate about true love is missed.

There are the true powers of the soul, and their reflected emotions, like the sun reflects in water. One is true and of the soul, the other is its reflection in the emotional layer. All the emotions have their true soul power of which they are reflections. In this thread we have looked at the two fears and the two loves; one fear and love being true and of the soul, the other fear and love being reflected and of the emotions and body. Those who do not know their soul's powers but only know the emotional reflections of those powers, require a distinction to be made between the two before they can perceive the truer soul powers of which emotions are just a reflection.      
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Reply #47 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 6:28am
 
I actually like the term "Pull" because its active and if you think about it that is the mission of PUL. I wrote a song about it called This Is There. I'll post it if you like. It's about the afterlife...but really its about The Life.
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Reply #48 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 10:50am
 
Crossbow,
I am with you as far as your description of the physical symptoms of "fight or flight" being the emotional manifestation of fear. I am also with you in your distinction that physical anxiety/fear/panic can also be viewed as strengths.  However you lose me in the fine distinction of soul-fear. Either I have not experienced this higher fear (unlikely I guess), or I am simply too tied to the C1 to recognize it.  Vicky's method of replacing fear with love is probably the only way to do it, given that once the adrenalin et al get flowing, they sort of have to run their course physically before you can "overcome" them.
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Reply #49 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 12:53pm
 
Hi

Beau says "Pure Love is unconditional by definition. When we put in "unconditional" it sounds a little pretentious to me. Is it just me? "
I rarely disagree with you, Beau, but sometimes a few extra syllables are needed to give stronger feeling to a name.

Pure love could be offered by a mother bird feeding her babies or by a teen in her first relationship. But pure unconditional love, now that has risen up with some force!

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not known here as ElizabetsAnn,  and that's the way I like it  Wink

Many thanks to Crossbow! That information is a major milestone in my life!
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Reply #50 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:23pm
 
crossbow,

Fear is never a prompting of the soul, but caution can be for sure. Very different.

A person brainwashed by 'or else you'll burn in hell', who fears god and has given him all her power likes the slave she was encouraged to be, is chained by her own fear and not by the threads hanging down from beard in the sky. The fear is kept alive within by her, and she can untie the knot, first step being to recognize that she actually has the power to do so.
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Reply #51 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 2:41pm
 
Pure unconditional love is a state of being that you are IN when you are experiencing it.  Like being in love is a state of being.  How you experience it, interpret it, or react to it is your emotional response.  But the actual feeling is an energy state of being.  You can achieve any energy state of being through experiencing your emotions.  Feeling the state of pure unconditional love affects a person in such way as to alter their energy state to this pure feeling of love, and while in this energy state you cannot feel anything else but that state of being.  You can think about or remember other things, but the only energy state you're actually experiencing is the energy state of pure unconditional love. Once your state of being alters to some other energy state, you are no longer IN the state of PUL. 

If you want to see your own experience of distinguishing between an energy-state feeling and an emotion, then try altering your energy from whatever state you're currently experiencing to one of the feeling of love.  Then while there, focus on the thoughts, feelings, emotions, issues, worries, and fears that exist in your life that caused you to be in the energy-state you were previously in, such as fear.  You'll see that what you feel doesn't change, because while IN PUL you're only feeling that state.  You'll instead see that the way you view your thoughts, feelings, emotions, worries, and fears allows you to see from a higher perspective, gives you hope or new ideas, and allows you to feel and experience other emotions and thoughts that were clouded out while in a lower energy state.  Then your interpretations and reactions and how you move forward from this state of being are different from what they would be from a lower energy state such as fear.
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Reply #52 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 3:39pm
 
Vicky,

You and two other beings share being in what you all label as pure unconditional love. After a while the white hat of the third is dropped and the succubistic nature is revealed - the hungry chef and the food so to speak. You and the other aren't fearing that and are still IN. What would you, being in there, do, if anything? Would the group dynamic change for you personally as a result of the revelation?

Your dog enters the scene. The succubi sees this as an energetic dessert and goes to town using red & green light sheated in black. The sound of yelps from your friend, and the other being, still IN, hums let it be. What do you think you'd feel?
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Reply #53 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 3:48pm
 
Hey Betson,

I would just say that to me there is LOVE. When you complicate it it gets confusing. Love on its face is unconditional. You can make it complicated sure, but I don't see the point is all.
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Reply #54 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 4:08pm
 
Volu wrote on Nov 4th, 2011 at 3:39pm:
Vicky,

You and two other beings share being in what you all label as pure unconditional love. After a while the white hat of the third is dropped and the succubistic nature is revealed - the hungry chef and the food so to speak. You and the other aren't fearing that and are still IN. What would you, being in there, do, if anything? Would the group dynamic change for you personally as a result of the revelation?

Your dog enters the scene. The succubi sees this as an energetic dessert and goes to town using red & green light sheated in black. The sound of yelps from your friend, and the other being, still IN, hums let it be. What do you think you'd feel?


As usual, I'm confused.  But I'll try.  First of all, is this a creature that has purported to fool me?  And now it's eating my dog?  And you're wondering what I would do?

Obviously it seems to me that such an incident would jar me from the energy state I'm in and cause me panic, fear, and disgust.  If it were a real life situation, I'd probably run, since it seems my dog is already devoured by now.  And if it were a dream or some other nonphysical experience where I realize that I can remain in fear or try to change the scene, I hope I would try to change the scene, as I would realize that my dog isn't literally physically getting eaten alive, and I'd realize that what I'm experiencing can only be changed by waking up, ignoring it, or using the power of my own consciousness to alter my experience.  For instance in a bad dream, or stuck in some repeated nasty nonphysical realm experience for whatever reason, it might take me a while, or I might get there quickly, but I would use all my might to fight against this creature using the power of my energy to lift me out of compelling fear to a more powerful state where I can make a difference, ask for help, or otherwise get away in any way I can.  If that were the case, then this nasty beast would be revealed for what it truly is, some manifestation of a fear in my belief system.  But to remain there in fear and disgust, no I don't think I'd choose that for long.  Nor do I think I would stand there humming let it be.
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Reply #55 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 4:54pm
 
Vicky,

"And you're wondering what I would do?"

Funny, nothing personal regarding the dog. Yes, I do wonder about the unconditional part, so thanks for participating in the one episode non-reality show and explaining your views.
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Reply #56 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 8:27pm
 
I guess all I can say to describe the feeling, in my experience, is that as a human I've experienced it for brief moments both in the physical world and in nonphysical experiences, but I can't say that I'm an expert or advanced being who knows how to sustain the state for any length of time to where I can apply its use for any conscious purpose.  I feel lucky just to have experienced this energy state at all. 

As far as the word unconditional and how it applies to the definition of PUL, I guess I'd say that it means to be completely selfless as opposed to having any self-serving motive, thought, feeling, or intention.  Maybe non-judgement applies too to this term.  It's just a pure state of feeling.   I guess I can't explain my experience of it good enough to make someone know what it feels like, but can only come close.  It's another one of those things a person just has to have their own experience with in order to know the true nature of it. 

One of my personal experiences in the physical is when I had a visit in the hospital after surgery.  I was afraid of dying and had prayed that I just wanted to know if I was going to die or not.  A man came and specifically told me that I wasn't going to die.  At the time I didn't even equate it to my prayer, but a couple days after the surgery he appeared in my hospital room.  He came to remind me of my prayer, and pointed out that he had answered it, and told me that it was his job to answer it for me.  It dawned on me then, and the whole experience itself was pretty amazing.  Not only did he indeed know of my prayer and request and answered it, but he also appeared out of thin air to come back and remind me of it.  But the thing that amzed me the most was the energy coming off of him and I would call that pure unconditional love.  You could say it was his aura, his energy.  It literally radiated off of him and I was surrounded by the presence of it, like you could feel the weight of it.  In that state the only thing I could think or feel was the pure feeling of love and kindness coming from him that he was giving me.  I had a hundred questions to ask but couldn't form a single one.  I was too much in awe by this feeling.  I wanted to stay in that state forever.  I could have died and it wouldn't have mattered because that feeling was like a drug, it's all I wanted to feel.  And when he was gone, the feeling of that state was gone, but I could remember it.  So that's what I mean when I try to describe it.  When you're in the state of experiencing it, it's there, like a light being on.  When you're not in it, it's like a light being turned off.  You can remember it but you can only experience being "on" when it's on.
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Reply #57 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 12:59am
 
  It's not that important Vicky, but do you remember what this man looked like?  If you do, details would be interesting to hear about. 

  P.S., i really enjoyed reading your posts on this thread, as there is so much honesty, self/other acceptance, simplicity, and humility in them--not to mention some really good points made. 

  Sometimes, you're one of my role models in a sense.
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Reply #58 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 1:18am
 
Well thank you very much, Justin.  That was a genuinely sweet compliment and means a lot.   I appreciate it.   Smiley

Yes I remember him as well as I can, but wish it was more clear.  It's like remembering a dream though, never as clear the moment you wake up.  He wasn't tall, had a little hispanic look to him, light coloring, short hair with a little curl, looked like he was maybe 25 but no more than 30, small build.  His clothes were just very plain and normal.  No hospital attire or name badge, although I can't remember what he wore.  I remember his name was Luis.  He wasn't attractive per se and in fact wasn't terribly smiling or joyful in appearance, but it was his demeanor that was so peaceful and loving and warm.  It really drew me in.  The feeling he gave me made me feel he was so close to me like I knew him.  I felt like I looked up to him even though he looked so young.  I remember in one of our meetings before my surgery that I wished he was a little more personable, like smiling or laughing or being more at my level.  He just seemed so serious all of the time, so strong and on task, whereas I'm the type who needs some joking and laughing in order to feel more at ease, know what I mean?  But even so, he always felt so warm and caring.  In fact, it was hard for me to accept him at first because I didn't know him and wondered why this stranger was being so kind and caring.  I'm glad he was so persistent!
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Reply #59 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 1:35am
 
The inadequacy is in my words, Bardo. 

Perhaps an example may assist:             (Please excuse the long post. I hope it assists someone.)

Two fears:
A man is travelling in a late night train carriage, there is another man sitting further down the carriage. Two thugs enter and accost the other man, standing over him and demanding money, then for fun they bash him and leave him broken and bleeding on the floor. The first man, who is witnessing the attack upon his fellow traveller, is gripped by what he thinks is fear; his throat is tight, his stomach churns, his larger muscle twitch and his smaller muscles shake. He does not recognise his strength for what it is, and misinterprets it as fear and inadequacy. He shrinks into his seat and hopes not to be noticed by the thugs, lest he is next to be bashed. at the next stop he hurries from the train and catches a taxi home. Some days later, when his emotions are quiet, when his mind is at rest, he feels what is his soul moving within him, and realisation dawns. He realises he could have helped his fellow man, could have saved him from the bashing, could have used his briefcase, umbrella, his own hands and fists and voice to fight the thugs and help his fellow man; and even helped the thugs by showing them truer courage than what they only know, and could have shown them mercy too, shown them that the trait that they admire most - strength - can be a trait of good men too. He feels regret and shame. And then in many months time, again he rides upon the late night train. Again some thugs attack a fellow passenger. He feels the same "fear" that he felt last time; but at the same time and in the background of his being, he feels another fear, that he did not feel the last time. One fear is the fear of his earthly health and life, the other is the fear of disappointing his soul. One is loud and one is quiet. One is course and one is fine. One is temporary and one is lasting. This time he makes a different choice. He follows the promptings of his soul, his earthly fear is changed to strength, for strength is what it really is, and he steps up with clear head and strong heart and saves his fellow man, although he fights hard, he is fair and merciful and does no more harm than necessary, he demonstrates to thugs that goodness can be strong and that mercy is not weak. Although he beats off the thugs he treats them and the other man like they were all his brothers. And men see strength, goodness, courage and fairness that they have never seen before. And all have grown, even if only a little bit.      

Two types of emotions:
There are the emotions we are familiar with, and these are course, weak although they seem strong, temporary, loud, swing horizontally between opposing pairs, and they are of the earth life. They are felt in the emotional/astral/second body and are not felt by the soul after the emotional body is shed.

And there are "soul powers" (what might at first feel like "emotions" of soul, but they are powers, not emotions), and these are fine, strong though at first seem weak, permanent, quiet, flow down vertically and then outward (love/PUL), and are an ability/power of soul, regardless of what bodies the soul may or may not have on.

Emotions are paired in opposites, to teach the soul:
Each of the soul abilities/powers are dormant, until their associated earthlife emotion is experienced along with its tied and consequential opposite emotion, and from the swinging and attrition between the pairs of opposing emotions, grows a soul realisation of its own powers that are associated with each pair of emotions. It is like a pendulum, between the two and up at a right-angle, like up the string of the pendulum to the point from which it swings. The swinging between the emotions irritates and awakens the place in soul from which it swings. Then the swing ceases and the soul power ("soul emotion") flows down and out, like down the stationary string of the pendulum. This is how emotions wake up the soul powers. Monroe spoke of this, though in a different way.   

Exercising intelligence - perception/recognition:
The ability to differentiate/distinguish to finer and finer degrees, and the exercising of this ability, is one of the most useful skills to develop for all manner of occult work, be it phasing, tuning, leaving the body, and comprehension of the subtle things of life, and the subtle worlds and their subject matters. For differentiating/discriminating is the fine tuning of the awareness, and it enables the awareness to grasp the finest subjects, and penetrate the finer worlds and their workings. We should exercise this ability, make it finer and finer, on all matters.

And also practice the opposite exercise - that of widening the scope of awareness; taking in the biggest picture.

And then between the ability to expand/widen the awareness and the ability to finely discern, is the noticing of individualities and generalities, patterns, associations, sequences, distinctions and similarities.

This is the exercising and developing of the base intelligence of consciousness, what is underneath and distinct from our education, knowledge, culture.

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