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Reply #15 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 1:34pm
 
Volu wrote on Oct 31st, 2011 at 1:26pm:
I'm not amazed that death is feared, seeking. I do pretty well with that fear, but I have other fears that may be very small and trivial to others but big for me. What if I was wrong - I could very well be about everything but I don't fear that. I'm calmly okay with that now, so that and 'too late' don't ring any alarms.


cud it be possible for u to explain tht a bit volu? Embarrassed...pls pm me if u dont feel like typing it here on the post...much appreciated, thanks.. Smiley
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Reply #16 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 2:42pm
 
Seeking, I feel a lot more comfortable about thoughts of dying than speaking to big groups of people. Though willingly accepting a challenge a couple of years ago about being a trainer for over 250 people split into groups of 15 I still don't like that at all. What could go wrong did on so many levels, haha, with no way out other than for the one-man-band to try to play all the instruments, at once. But the more I've dealt with fears the more they have lessened. Haven't found any universal keys to unlock fears but rather personal ones that were and are right for me, by trial and error. Keys as in the right way to deal with different fears. That's what I find difficult about these subjects; it's been said many times before and still rings true, what works for you doesn't have to work for me. You're here and that could mean that you've determined knowledge about the subject you fear can help you understand it and thus not fearing it at some point?
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Reply #17 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 2:54pm
 
Amen to that Volu....
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Reply #18 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 4:58pm
 
I am afraid to fly, and I was a military pilot for many years! That one kind of snuck up on me, but it has been hard to put to rest. Death seems simple, compared to the complexities of the sub-conscious mind sometimes.
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Reply #19 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 8:08pm
 
... of achieving life's purpose.
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Reply #20 - Oct 31st, 2011 at 9:30pm
 
  I sometimes have a similar concern Crossbow (i wouldn't necessarily call it a fear per se, as that brings to mind visceral and strong emotions). 

  An occasional concern with whether or not i will live up to my potential and what i came here to accomplish.  Part of it is just typical, "ego", selfishness stuff, but part of it is also related to a concern with impacting the Whole in the most positive way i can, in order to be part of the solution rather than the stuckness. 

  Either way, i'm sure things will be fine whether or not i do live up to that potential and the goals my Disk set up for us for this life.  There is always others that have that potential.  (while I acknowledge that, for whatever reason I still feel something akin to a sense of urgency).

  Every birth is a chance, a possibility for the ultimate purpose of life to fulfill itself within a person and individuality, like it did an age ago.  Yet, sometimes I wonder why it's been so, so rare within a physical lifetime.
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Reply #21 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 12:16am
 
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  I sometimes have a similar concern Crossbow (i wouldn't necessarily call it a fear per se, as that brings to mind visceral and strong emotions). 

  An occasional concern with whether or not i will live up to my potential and what i came here to accomplish.  Part of it is just typical, "ego", selfishness stuff, but part of it is also related to a concern with impacting the Whole in the most positive way i can, in order to be part of the solution rather than the stuckness. 

  Either way, i'm sure things will be fine whether or not i do live up to that potential and the goals my Disk set up for us for this life.  There is always others that have that potential.  (while I acknowledge that, for whatever reason I still feel something akin to a sense of urgency).

  Every birth is a chance, a possibility for the ultimate purpose of life to fulfill itself within a person and individuality, like it did an age ago.  Yet, sometimes I wonder why it's been so, so rare within a physical lifetime.

Yes, I live with that sense of urgency too. Its torturous at times, and rewarding at other times. It provides drive.

I don't consider the accepted physical/emotional sensations of fear as being fear. To me they are just the sensations of the hormones of physical strength and action. Real fear as I know it is in my soul, not felt physically or emotionally as is the course hormonal cortisol and adrenal fear most are familiar with, but felt deeply and subtly on the soul level. Its a fear of letting others and myself down, on a soul and work level, where all the jobs are to do - in our relationships, sorting out the knots, our duties, our learning, our right loving and helping.

But like you say Justin, there is a certain amount of false pride and ego mixed in with it, because in the big scheme of things our little failings don't matter much. They are quite trivial really. The world goes on. People learn and grow. 

Your last wondering is an interesting one. I can see what I expect is a small part of the reason why, but its a job to write about. And there are so many variables. 
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Reply #22 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 6:04am
 
My number one fear is simply the afterlife not existing. It's is a completely logical widely accepted conclusion that the body is directly related to thoughts and proving that the body and mind are separate has not been scientifically accomplished, thus, the afterlife has not been scientifically proven to exist.

Therefore, theoretically, it is likely that death is the end of your existence.
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Reply #23 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 6:36am
 
yes exactly Focus, there r a lot of ifs and buts, and maybe and "oh" moments when u sit down to think of the nitty gritty of mind and body, and simple questions like...umm...if mind is independent of brain, then wats the justification of anti depressants working, when all they do is balance the chemical equation in the brain...and that alters our mood...so there is something going on there...

u hit the nail right on the head focus my friend. Undecided
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Reply #24 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 6:58am
 
seeking, I am not trying to say I need every little nuance and tidbit in regard to the afterlife explained, far from it...

I am simply stating that a "faith" based belief in the afterlife based on data and evidence which are insufficient to prove nothing... except humanities willingness to accept all sorts of unproven things.

Let us say for instance, you are able to close your eyes and enter different focus levels and speak with beings and "guides" as is being claimed. The simple bottom line REQUIREMENT of accepting such wild claims as FACT is simple verification. I mean, this could just as easily be all imagination. It's so simple really, if these beings and guides cannot give or produce a way to verify they're existence with testing, such as getting information they did not have naturally ( such as spiritual mediums. ) OR being able to read a word, sentence, or number which is in a different room and for testing purposes the guides "tell" you the information....

Without a test performed adequately and completely like this, I can naturally reiterate my main claim and theory which is that the entire concept is imaginary. Does this make me happy? No. I WANT the afterlife to be science fact, not science fiction. But until I see results and real tests, it's all just delusional imagination... Therefore justifying a general fear of the afterlife even though the obvious fact remains that once you are dead it won't bother you.  Wink

EDIT: I quoted TWO possible tests. The first one which involves getting information the person being tested does not know is a questionable test in general. In fact, the second test involving a controlled word, number, or sentence structure is the only test that could be scientifically accepted.
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Reply #25 - Nov 1st, 2011 at 10:45am
 
seeking_answers wrote on Oct 31st, 2011 at 12:16pm:
Thats a good point Beau, i guess that "it" moment would be like tht choking game kids play, well i played it once in highschool...i know u lost a close one to that wretched game tho Sad


Beau, thats called Samadhi in hindi, thats when a person sometimes goes into a silent place, and meditates till his spirit leaves his body, or he "hibernates" in an enclosed area, the same way. Many Yogis and gurus in india have done that, i wonder if they OBE till a point that their silver cord severs. Undecided
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Reply #26 - Nov 2nd, 2011 at 12:18am
 
Oh yeah the silver cord connecting oneself to ones body when you go OBE. Some pro-afterlifers don't think that cord even exists, but I can't quote where I read that from. I have read so much.
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Reply #28 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:32am
 
I love Dave Allen so much, Crossbow. Thanks for posting it, man.

I did a retrieval on Jeremy and he was really great just sitting on a rock with his father behind him. His father had passed from a car accident when Jeremy was just 3 years old. I got a great feeling from it. I don't do many retrievals but that experience gave me a real respect for them. I don't do them because I feel if you are trapped you are learning something that only the experience can teach you, but I suppose if I was trapped I'd like to be retrieved  Wink

The silver cord is an illusion. We are not actually in our bodies so there is no need to have an actual attachment to them via the cord. Tom Campbell supports this view as well. Not that his world is the be all and end all, but since we talk about him a lot here I thought I'd mention him.

Love this thread. Thanks for the info on choking. Much appreciated, Seek.
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Reply #29 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 10:54am
 
Ur welcome Beau Smiley. As usual, seeking answers. Grin
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