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Justin aka Vasya
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may enter afterlife sooner than i think; Funny!
Jan 27th, 2011 at 2:13am
 
  Kind of a funny recent experience I had--more indirectly related to the afterlife. Maybe off topic. 

   My wife has had a few dreams now wherein i have died.  A couple seemed more symbolic and seemed to pertain to her more so than me. 

  But one seemed more literal and precog. in nature (both of us have had a number of precog type dreams).  In that particular dream, she was aware that I had died in my mid 40's (i'm now 31).

Anyways, we were hanging out recently and she decided to bring out her Tarot cards.  We asked a few questions about a few issues here and there. 

I decided on a whim to ask, "Is it probable that my physical body will die sometime in my 40's?"  The idea was to pull one card and see what we got. 

  Well, funny enough, i happened to pull the "Death" card!  As soon as we saw it, we both burst out laughing. 

  Actually, I don't doubt it's probable though, and truthfully, i wasn't the least bit bothered directly.  The only part that kind of bothers me about it, is that in that future dream of hers, we had had a few children at that point and it saddens me a bit to know that i will be leaving our young children behind.
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Reply #1 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 2:35am
 
Quote:
  Kind of a funny recent experience I had--more indirectly related to the afterlife. Maybe off topic. 

   My wife has had a few dreams now wherein i have died.  A couple seemed more symbolic and seemed to pertain to her more so than me. 

  But one seemed more literal and precog. in nature (both of us have had a number of precog type dreams).  In that particular dream, she was aware that I had died in my mid 40's (i'm now 31).

Anyways, we were hanging out recently and she decided to bring out her Tarot cards.  We asked a few questions about a few issues here and there. 

I decided on a whim to ask, "Is it probable that my physical body will die sometime in my 40's?"  The idea was to pull one card and see what we got. 

  Well, funny enough, i happened to pull the "Death" card!  As soon as we saw it, we both burst out laughing. 

  Actually, I don't doubt it's probable though, and truthfully, i wasn't the least bit bothered directly.  The only part that kind of bothers me about it, is that in that future dream of hers, we had had a few children at that point and it saddens me a bit to know that i will be leaving our young children behind. 


Hi J: As I understand it 'death' in a dream is NOT a bad thing... it is a contrary symbol... it generally refers to new beginnings. Expect something to change probably for the better shortly.

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Reply #2 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 3:02am
 
Justin,

Do not assign any value to these dreams.  What we DO know, is that thought creates reality.  In fact, thought combined with conviction is a most powerful blessing or curse.  While I have no doubt that some people do predict things, to me it is more that the future is written out in many different paths.  If you and your wife share the belief in an early death - really feel it deep down, then it is quite possible that your subconscious mind could actually help to bring it to pass.  Likewise, if you exercise, care for your self, and deep down have a conviction that you are going to experience excellent health, this can have the opposite effect (beneficial) on your overall health.

I read a tale of a most excellent practical mystic who mentioned how he had an uncle in India who went to a soothsayer who foretold that he would be dead within two new moons.  The man was not initially ill.  he got his affairs in order; told friends and family that he was going to die - to him it was a deeply held conviction or belief.  I don't recall how he met his end, but he did as foretold.  Yet the "prophecy" only held power over him because his deepest inner belief brought it to pass.  He himself gave power to the prediction.

"Ask and ye shall receive."  "Seek and you will find."  "Knock and the door shall be opened."  All of these phrases show the power of thought to create reality - good or bad.  Just as the bible is filled with healings and phrases such as "your faith has made you whole," the opposite can occur.

I agree with Seraphis; symbolism in a dream is usually not a literal thing.  Dismiss this type of thinking, and encourage thoughts of health and long life. 

While there are random events that shape our destinies, if we apply our thought/conviction/intent, we can shape much of our earth life for better or worse.


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Reply #3 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 5:04am
 
   As i said, most of the dreams she had with that theme seemed more symbolic, yet the one seemed like one of our not so uncommon, more literal precog dreams (of which we both have had a number of to date and therefore realize that not all dreams are purely symbolic in nature).

  Whether or not this vehicle i use now does or doesn't die in my 40's is not really a big deal, and for the most part it's no biggie to me either way. 

It's certainly not "bad" if that is what was set up as best for me and/or the Whole. 

  It seems like certain parts of our life was written for us before we entered, not as set and unchangeable, have to happen events, but as probable, and what is best to happen if the person decides to go with the flow. 

  And our deaths are much like our marriages, children, and the like, some of the more set aspects of our earth life and plan that on some level we know and try to stick to the general "script" because we know it's what is most constructive.  Much Guidance energy, thought, care, planning and work on behalf of the various parts of ones guidance "team" went into forming the general blue print for one's life plan. 

  In any case, the Tarot guidance message seemed to confirm that one particular dream of Becky's.  But yes, noticed i asked "probable", not necessarily written in quartz.  I am open to whatever in any case, and have trust in the whole process. 

  Despite peoples interest in the afterlife and the nonphysical, and beliefs in same, deep down, for many, the issue of death and dying is still an uncomfortable one we tend to shy away from and/or avoid.

  Btw Matthew, something tells me that this probable death will have little or nothing to do with health or the lack thereof. 

   I do appreciate the intent of your replies though, and I know you both mean well in trying to steer me in other directions from the literal.   So Thank you. 
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Reply #4 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 1:57pm
 
Justin,

"Despite peoples interest in the afterlife and the nonphysical, and beliefs in same, deep down, for many, the issue of death and dying is still an uncomfortable one we tend to shy away from and/or avoid."

No, nothing to shy away from; I wish you a happy death if that's what's next on your path! Cheesy *highfive*

Thoughts create reality, then again, the total selves trump the thoughts/wishes of their extensions.
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Reply #5 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 3:44pm
 
Volu said:

"Thoughts create reality, then again, the total selves trump the thoughts/wishes of their extensions."

Respectfully, I would say that is not how I see it.  Most circumstances found in peoples' lives tends to arise from their innermost thoughts and beliefs manifesting in their world.  Even if it is misery, it seems to be related to that person's belief systems and true convictions. 

So I doubt that higher self "trumps" the wishes of us incarnated people.  In fact, I think that is the point of being human - that we are allowed to follow the handiwork of our thoughts and beliefs, and see what effect it has - to learn and grow. 


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Reply #6 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 4:25pm
 
Doc,

"So I doubt that higher self "trumps" the wishes of us incarnated people.  In fact, I think that is the point of being human - that we are allowed to follow the handiwork of our thoughts and beliefs, and see what effect it has - to learn and grow."

When I say trump I'm not speaking about mundane or semi-mundane life, but about far-reaching decisions, consequences and events in a lifetime. Death is a personal game changer for sure. There's still plenty of room for decisions as an extended little spark. I don't mind that the total has the final word, it's me anyways without the 3D confusion. Can count on one hand where "divine intervention" took place. Sometimes I didn't know any better than the path walked on, other times wanted to walk a different path but very clearly wasn't allowed to do so. Looking back, wiser decisions than I, the smaller version of my self would have made.
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Reply #7 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 3:18am
 
hi justin  my mom keeps having this recurring dream of me and my twin sister deanna.

In her dream she is looking for us and we are little twin girls again,as she's looking she enters the spiritworld and my dad who is in spirit walks up to her holding one twins hand.

my mom says to dad"ive been looking for our twins,why is she with you and were's the other one",dad then says "Ive brought one back to you."

mom replys and says "Wheres my other twin" and dad says,"I'm sorry i cant bring her back as shes died",then mom starts to cry and wakes up but has no idea in this recurring dream,which twin has died.

this dream is really worrying her,she thinks i or deanna are going to die.

ive told my mom that this dream means the end of something for me, as i got divorced and im now getting on with my new life

I feel thats wat dad mean't when he said he could not bring the other twin back because she's died,this means my old life has died and my  life now a new beginning

My twin deanna has a happy marriage so thats why dad brought her back to mum,i still trying to convince my mom that is wat this dream meant.

It was dad's message to her that i'm ok now as my mom has been through all the heartache of my divorce with me and has been worrying so much about me,god bless her,my wonderful mom

love and god bless  love juditha xxx
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Reply #8 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 3:31am
 
hi justin The death card in the tarot can mean many things,such as thhe end of something and a new beginning,each phase of life has a new cycle,when something dies,something is reborn.

you mention children in your wifes dream,the death card can be symbolising these children coming into the next new phase of your life,death of your old life ,reborn of your new beginning with children.

the death card is a good card to turn over as  it is the end of old and the beginning of new.

death of something is a new beginning,so you pulled a good card.

love and god bless  love juditha xxx
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Reply #9 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 2:14pm
 
Volu wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 4:25pm:
Doc,

"So I doubt that higher self "trumps" the wishes of us incarnated people.  In fact, I think that is the point of being human - that we are allowed to follow the handiwork of our thoughts and beliefs, and see what effect it has - to learn and grow."

When I say trump I'm not speaking about mundane or semi-mundane life, but about far-reaching decisions, consequences and events in a lifetime. Death is a personal game changer for sure. There's still plenty of room for decisions as an extended little spark. I don't mind that the total has the final word, it's me anyways without the 3D confusion. Can count on one hand where "divine intervention" took place. Sometimes I didn't know any better than the path walked on, other times wanted to walk a different path but very clearly wasn't allowed to do so. Looking back, wiser decisions than I, the smaller version of my self would have made.



  Very well said Volu.  And thank you for the earlier high five.

More directed to Matthew now, cause i know Yeshua doesn't matter much to you.  Matthew, part of this conversation reminds me of Yeshua's example in his life. 

Yeshua did not seek constantly to become the creator of his reality constantly when it came to his material life and events. 

Rather, through humility, he recognized that he didn't always know what was spiritually best for him and the whole to happen materially. 

  That is why he constantly prayed, "Not my will be done, but the will of the Father (Source) be done."  He gave up his self will, he surrendered constantly, and sought to be LED, not to lead.   

  Could he have avoided his torture, death, etc.?  Yes, and he was aware that he could (& apparently part of him was tempted to do so), but he went willingly.  He was also aware for a long while of this probability and life path set up for him. 

  I'm not comparing me and my situation to his in the specifics, but only in the most broad and general sense that if this is a probable event for me, there is a reason and probably already pre set up to some extent as a life path, and if so, i am willing to walk same.

  I don't think i'm creating it by becoming aware of it (after all, it was a dream that Becky had had), and talking about it.  I'm still very much human and sometimes i need to "process" things and sometimes i do that by openly communicating/expressing about it.
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Reply #10 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 2:37pm
 
  Hi Juditha,

Thanks for relating your mom's dream and that experience.  Yes, it sounds like in her and your case that the dream is symbolic and goes well with the various deep changes in your life. 

   That dream that Becky had was very detailed and just had the feel of one of our more literal, precog dreams.  We've started to get good at telling the difference between the more purely symbolic ones and the more literal precog ones.   Though, occasionally i will have precog dreams which are more symbolic in nature. 

  An example, i periodically will have a dream about tornadoes, and i always know, based on past experience, that this means that in the near future there will some emotional turmoil and upset that will most likely happen in my life.  It's a way to generally prepare me without giving me specifics. 

  Yes, i'm aware that the death card in the Tarot symbolizes changes, transformations, and the like usually. 

However, we weren't doing a normal Tarot spread in this case. 

  My intent was to ask a very specific question of guidance, and to get a more specific and literal answer, and through just one card. 

   Now, if Becky hadn't had that dream, i probably wouldn't give too much literal credence to the death card, and would interpret it more normally and symbolically.  But the combination of both just seems to "coincidental" to be ignored. 

  Anyways, thank you for the replies and for sharing.

  The reason why it's probable is a good question, and one i've been asking and feeling out.  I feel it was set up primarily for Becky's benefit in the spiritual sense (& karma balancing with one of our daughters).  It will help her to become less attached to the temporal, and to gain inner strength through difficult trial and loss.  (we also seem to have a karmic pattern of one of us leaving much earlier than the other, for some reason(s).)

   Meanwhile, i'm not completely done with the Earth just yet.  Apparently (according to guidance we've gotten) i'm coming back to Earth (if not directly and only visiting) in a much nicer and upgraded model, which either is full E.T. origin or hybrid.   I feel this upgraded vehicle from the get go will help me to better and more fully attune to Source and more importantly better express or demonstrate that attunement within a material life.
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Reply #11 - Jan 29th, 2011 at 4:13pm
 
Rondele,

"Well, one good thing if the world really does end in 2012- we won't have to worry any longer about an invasion of reptilian aliens."

Sometimes you've got to properly deal with something once you get to *know* about it, like with the mentioned reptilians, and then too worry isn't going amount to much but fear. Nothing to worry about if the body drops dead from familiar reasons or from the falsetto inducing sight of an evil ninja turtle look-alike. Whether you're a brother, or whether you're a mother, you're ah, ha, ha, ha staying alive. Mind you though, just because I can't see the skeletons dug down in your backyard doesn't mean they're not there. But then again that can be said about santa too.
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Reply #12 - Feb 11th, 2011 at 12:30pm
 
Volu wrote on Jan 27th, 2011 at 4:25pm:
Can count on one hand where "divine intervention" took place. Sometimes I didn't know any better than the path walked on, other times wanted to walk a different path but very clearly wasn't allowed to do so. Looking back, wiser decisions than I, the smaller version of my self would have made.


I've got two hands worth of "divine intervention", both changing my path or redirecting a soon to be fatal situation.  Two of which were in cars...oddly they have been the most obvious, and reasonably so as two previous lives in the last century have ended with car accidents.

Justin, have you had any precognitive dreams extending beyond the estimated point of transition?  Some of mine have included definite end points, while others have almost endless tomorrows.  My akashic records indicate a probable path extending way beyond any of the estimated definite end points...at this point I am looking for that extended lifetime, however there is always free will and I guess I'll figure it out as I go.  I feel as you do regarding your acceptance of a transition when it comes...my primary concern is loss of time with my children. 
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Reply #13 - Feb 11th, 2011 at 1:00pm
 
usetawuz,

"I've got two hands worth of "divine intervention", both changing my path or redirecting a soon to be fatal situation.  Two of which were in cars...oddly they have been the most obvious, and reasonably so as two previous lives in the last century have ended with car accidents."

When writing the previous reply I also thought about several stories about severe car accidents I've heard about where the dudes and dudettes walked out without as much as a scratch. I want to dig deeper though, why someone gets locked up in a basement for 20+ years, but that are maybe questions only (their) discs know and that 3D extensions may not understand. Yet.
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Reply #14 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 5:55pm
 
Volu wrote on Feb 11th, 2011 at 1:00pm:
When writing the previous reply I also thought about several stories about severe car accidents I've heard about where the dudes and dudettes walked out without as much as a scratch.


Along those lines...in my case I was the only one killed in both those wrecks...the first car had six people in it and all walked away except for one person with a broken leg and, of course, me being dead.  One of those walking away became a US congressman and ambassador.  Then the second had four aboard, three with no significant injury and me again not surviving the day. 
 
And then there was one of the shooting victims of the Virginia Tech gunman...he was saved by the quick actions of paramedics which enabled him to later die in a car wreck on the way home from the hospital...and he was the only one killed in the car crash.  This man was meant to transition...at least it sure seems so.

I have no conclusions to make about these accidents other than I suppose they provide a quick method of transition from the physical and an effectively tragic lesson to the survivors.



   
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