11/25/2010 - Afternoon session:

This was a powerful session that is very hard to describe except for the ida and pingala event which occurred in the joob d disc sequence.


Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:
Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2
joob d

Things were going quite well the last few sessions have been preoccupied with exiting… it like have to pee and standing over the urinal and nothing comes out for an hour… but a remarkable thing happened… just to the left of my spinal column a stream of energy materialize for a long moment above the left illiac crest about a ½” thick and streamed the length of the spinal column to about thoracic 4 or 5... This could be a precursor to a Kundalini event… the literature says the ida and pingala energy streams precede the full scale Kundalini event…

My event was an ida event:



Note that the full pathway the ida nadI is from the swadhisthana to the third eye… mine reached just below the heart chakra…

This session had a heart chakra flutter… but I don’t remember when it happened relative to the Ida event.

S.

Ok, here goes a short one, because I had something which could relate to kundalini, even if it was quite mild.

Yesterday I felt a tingling "ball" at base of spine. I tried to relax. After some time the tingling feeling was more at the middle of the spin. If it was the same tingling? I don't know.

JOOB C (yes the Condition "see" CD)

It was my first try with it. I seemed to go into F 10 several times, then slipping out of F 10, without ability to control it. Twice it got this strange feeling that I had stopped breathing. It kind of snapped me back to full awakeness.

I wouldn't say anything special happened.

Yes, I breath with my stomach. When I place my hands over my chest, I can feel no or extremely little movement.

I have read several times that you don't seem to breathe with your non-physical body while OBEd.

Now, I am speculating. Could the no-breathing be an illusion? Or that I actually felt some kind of exit sensation instead? I personally don't think so, hopefully time will tell.

It could also be simple; I fell asleep, held my breath (some people do that in sleep), and then woke up seconds later.

I snored a few times, too, but not disturbingly much. A week ago I snored at almost every attempt, waking me up by the sound each time.

Besides, I noticed that the first JOOB CD, with Monroe speaking, was digitally re-mastered, which made me wonder how old the JOOB H-S sound is, as the H-S evolved a lot during the 1980s (each CD/sound pattern had 7 H-S frequencies with 5 H-S patterns on each frequency, at the end of 1980s, if I remember correctly from one of Monroe's youtube clips).

Do you know how old the JOOB CD set is compared to the Gateway Wave CD series?

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:


That is not diaphragmatic breathing…place your thumbs on the illiac crest and breath if the thumbs move outward that is diaphragmatic breathing… you use the diaphragm not the stomach..

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:


I don’t believe the etheric double breathes… but I have experienced the slowing of breath to almost nothing but because I am controlling the breathing with my diaphragm I can bring it to a point where no breathing is felt… not sure what is happening… whether a stream of air is moving with out the effort I don’t know… but I will suddenly need a breath and I am practicing slowing drawing the breath down without too much disturbance of the body… but, in one of my sessions I experienced a column of air like a tube flowing on its own… but, that only happened once…

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:


Unless you suffer from sleep apnea that is not what is happening… it is a phenomena of deep meditative state… which I do not understand at all but I don’t worry about it… all this stuff is automatic… just let it all happen… the worst that can happen is you end up permanently in f27... LOL!!


PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 27^th, 2010 at 9:56pm:


Did you read the instruction??? Each disk is set up specifically with prompts and the hemi-sync signal is space at 20 minute intervals for the prompt except the last disk.

S.

Speaking of breathing. I'm not an 'expert' on any of the 'professional schools' of meditation in its various forms, although I have been doing meditation, in many forms, for ... well, most of my life, if I can be honest here. I guess, what I think is that the 'discipline' is not so important, just that you 'get there', where you need to be, to learn and experience, to continue to grow.

When I was young I was an excellent swimmer. I taught very young children, toddlers, really, how to jump from the diving board and paddle across the pool into my arms. This, so they wouldn't automatically drown if they fell in. To earn the merit required to be allowed to teach, I had to 'save' a big, burly guy, in several ways, for my test, and I am not a big person, nor am I a large, muscular man. This required discipline, and much time to learn, and much patience with myself, and the support from others to learn the skills necessary.

However, meditation...seems a natural thing. Really, it is. I remember that before I learned all these lessons so that I could teach swimming to young children, I liked to play in a certain way, in the public pool near my home, or in any pool. It was a habit of mine, and I loved doing it. It was simply, to sink to the bottom of the deep end of the pool, letting the air out smoothly until it was all gone. I would then push off from the bottom and return to the surface where I would take a breath, then sink again as the breath was released. While doing this, I would become happy and peaceful, and no one else seemed to be doing it. They were all playing games, having fun, which I liked to do also. There was a rhythm to it, you know, gently shooting up to the surface, sinking down to the bottom. If I was in just the right spot in the pool, it was just perfect.

When you do it, and you know it, that's all there is to it.

Seraphis1 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2010 at 1:04am:

PauliEffectt wrote on Nov 28^th, 2010 at 4:43pm:


Hi Pauli: I don't quite know what you are getting at... the instruction blurbs explain what you are supposed to attempting to do... and how each disk is constructed... that is all I can tell you about it.

S.

11/29/2010 - afternoon session:

This session is remarkable for all the close exit potentials but no banana… I would like some feedback from people who have accomplished the obe… and are proficient at it now… was it this difficult to accomplish… was it this frustrating to learn this skill…????!!!!

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:
Silly Little Finger exercise:

Fundamental energy body shifting…

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Now aware of (bilocated form??)  attempting to shift my p.o.c… not much success tho I feel some movement… I attempt the Robert Bruce bouncing technique… that is bouncing my poc like a tennis ball floor to ceiling… not feeling much motion… but it is there… bouncing it wall to wall…

Imagination exercise 2
joob d

See a form upper right side looks like Robert Goulet… long stringy reddish brown hair with a full goatee… thought, ’three musketeer’… guess that triggered a form change because I immediately see Dartangen…


Then I begin to rope climb… I don’t think to just imagine the pull, but, attempt to feel the pull… possibly trying too hard… go at it for a long time then give up and come out of session…


This is really frustration… to say the least…

S.

Today's attempt. I used no CD, no sounds.

Put in ear plugs.

Gathered energy from below/above, placed intent, thought of Love briefly.

Then I waited.

Did some visualizations, imaginations. Saw grass on a field, saw some more grass close up on a stone wall outdoor. Climbed a bench close to the wall. Saw more hills with grass and a white church away. Moved to the church and came close to a hedge in kind of a Hogwarth style. Went into the canopy of the hedge. Then I thought, wait, I'm not doing a retrieval, I want to try OBE.

(my previous retrieval attempts had led to some kind of training ground and I doubted that I would benefit from it at this stage, yet.)

This interesting. I didn't really get to my usual F 10 visual stripped darkness. It was probably F 10 but it seemed different, more like when I used the JOOB D last time.

Then after a while I felt something that came close to the 3-D darkness, but this too was different. I tried to fly, got a "rush" feeling. This lasted for several minutes.

I noticed again that suddenly I couldn't hear my breathing. This time I tried to figure out why. Perhaps I slowed down breathing as I had been flat out for some time. Perhaps the closeness to the astral impaired my hearing temporarily. I need to check this out in greater detail in the future.

No exit, no OBE, but interesting feelings nevertheless.