I've read Moen's third book and the 2ndGathGroup events seemed really strange to me. I can't wrap my head around the fact that the advanced 2ndGathGroup hadn't gotten any info about PUL from any other advanced species (there seemed to be many others).

So I'm starting thinking. The chain of events Moen described seemed as if the human participants acted very quickly and almost like they were lead by someone.

Could i be that the 2ndGathGroup should be seen as an image? No real ET? Just another classroom exercise created by Guides or I-Theres?

I also have a very hard time believe that a species so specialized over so long time would be able to adopt to PUL that quickly (one year only). Have Moen or anyone else re-evaluated the 2ndGathGroup experience? Could the 2ndGathGroup have been Guides/I-There in disguise?

  I cannot speak for Mr. Moen and his specific experiences from his perspective, but i will speak from my own guidance and intuitions about these related subjects.

     What i understand & perceive, is that there is a lot of back story left out of Moen's accounts, that this particular group has long had an interest in us and both learning from and teaching us. 

  This group use to be much more like humans, became very destructive, so much so as to pretty much destroy their home planet, and during crisis times they really manipulated their genetics in order to rise above base animal instincts and strong emotional reactions.  These drastic measures had some very limiting, unforeseen consequences of which they have been recovering from since.   The above i didn't directly get, but read about from Brown's experiences and much of it rang true to my honed intuitive sense.

  But they lost something along the way, and they've become aware of this and the need to reintegrate and rebalance themselves. 

Much of the Universe works on the "like attracts and begets like principle" but much also works on law of necessity and balance. 

   It is limiting to assume that they were not aware of PUL before their experience with Moen and his TMI co-workers.   

  In truth, in certain ways, they've long understood and cared about PUL, but in a more abstract and mental way than we are use to.   They were missing the emotional component of feeling it, and that's a very important part of the overall experience and consciousness of PUL. 

   I believe the group that Moen worked with, is the same group that has been called "the Grays" in various ET literature. 

I believe they've long been involved with genetic programs wherein they are trying to mix their genetic patterns with aspects of ours in order to create body vehicles more equipped and balanced in order to be able to feel love and other emotions, as well as become more aware of unique individuality experiences. 

    Moen and his TMI co workers were just one small piece of a much larger puzzle that's been being worked out for some time on various fronts now.  It seems though, that he and his co-workers were the right people at the right moment for this particular group and experience, and helped them to get to that "next level" so to speak.  In their service to us and to other groups, now with the the right tools and perceptions, they will and are rapdidly growing to that full Source attunement they have longed for in their non emotional way for a long time.   Brown saw them as potentially and probably becoming a collective race of Jesus's basically.

Also, my perception is that there are many E.T. groups which are much more mentally polarized than humans and so the feeling aspect of PUL is an area for work for a number of groups, though not as extreme as say as it was with the Grays.  Plus, these present and future Grays are in the process of retrieving various past Grays/aspects of self.

  Humans are the emotional beings par excellence, and are somewhat unique in some ways as to our very intense degree of individuality and ability to feel emotions. 

  But, we need a greater balance, as many of these other groups do as well, but just in a different direction than most.  There are some groups which have reached that perfect balance as a species and they exist in the below group now... (Monroe met some of these "completed" E.T. groups in his "Ultimate Journeys").

  And so, the Creator Gods, and highest levels of fully Source attuned Guidance in the Universe, tend to allow things to work out in an organic, free willed ways, and humans working with Grays was one of those potentialities and law of balance facilitating.   

  We have something for them and they for us, a give and take.  PUL developing and being unveiled, and balance being restored.

  We're all aspects of a larger, total, connected Self, and it's a process of helping each other awake to this knowledge and consciousness but importantly while respecting freewill.

  It's a very big Universe with the potential for developement and expression of all kinds and ranges, with polarized opposites and all various shades of inbetweens.   Here we saw interaction between some of the more rare polarized opposites in the Universe, again for greater balance for both groups.

  We humans could stand to be less controlled and influenced by our emotions and strong feeling nature, and have more emphasis on abstract ideals based on a knowingness of connectedness etc.

PauliEffectt wrote on Sep 19^th, 2010 at 4:33pm:


   There is a lot of speculation and theory based more on intellect than deep intuition in the UFO area of "research". 

   But, have Grays abducted people, yes i do get that sense, but the real question is why?   It relates to those core issues i brought up wherein their genetics, a long, long time ago, were severely manipulated in order to create forms/vehicles which would not have the temptations and tendencies towards material excess that was their downfall. 

  In this genetic manipulation, they lost a couple important perceptual capabilities.  An ability to really feel emotion and a sense of individuality.

  So, they have abducted people with prior permission from those human's "Higher selves" in order to take genetic material so that they can combine it with theirs to create a more balanced and holistic vehicle. 

  I believe the ones working with Bruce and his TMI co-workers were "hybrids" that have some human genetic material inserted into a basically Gray form.  But since these hybrids are fully telepathic and part of the collective mind of the Grays, they through their experiences could have a strong affect on the group consciousness that is the Gray.

  The best way to see if the above is true or not, is not with primarily the intellect, but through deep going within via a Hemi-Sync type state.  To get direct guidance about this issue.   Since i'm not perfectly & completely attuned to only PUL, there is definite room for error in my perceptions as in any "channel" likewise not perfectly attuned to the former.

   As far as outer sources go which relate to what i was talking about, one of the few which i've found that resonates a great deal with my intuition is the Remote Viewing work done by Courtney Brown phd.   Brown btw, was familiar with Bob Monroe and attended the Gateway Voyage program at The Monroe Institute. 

  Now, again, i doubt it's all 100 percent completely accurate--aint no such thing when dealing with humans who are not yet at the level that "He/She" is at (from Monroe's 3rd book "Ultimate Journey").

  Brown wrote two books which contain a good deal of information concerning the group known as the "Grays".   They are both available for free down load at his site.  In these books you will the connection between the Gray's ancient history of being much more "human" like , severe genetic manipulation to change themselves leading to unforeseen limiting consequences such as being almost completely cut off from feeling/experiencing emotions (most of the above is in the 1st book).

  How they know deep within themselves they need to recover some of this and that's why they have been working with humans for awhile--particularly because humans have that deep emotional and individuated attunement going on.

  Anyways, this is a link to Brown's two free books.  Just click on what book you would like to down load and it will direct you to how to do that.

http://www.courtneybrown.com/publications/speculativenonfictionpubs.html

  If you understand the back story more in full, then it's easy to see the connections between Brown and Moen's work and what they perceived about a particular group of E.T.'s   In essence, their message or conclusion about this E.T. group is the same, this E.T. group wants to be able to experience PUL from an emotional/feeling space and they have needed and wanted our help in this.   

  The difference is that Brown stresses the genetic aspect of this mutual involvement, and Moen stresses the personal interaction and blending of consciousness aspect of it.  (these are related for form/physical is a built reflection of consciousness).

just wanted to add a little bit.  My sense is that there are many E.T. groups which are observing us (in some way or manner, whether nonphysically, physically, or a combo) at this time, but that there are few which are more so directly interacting with us--particularly in the physical sense.

  The ones more directly interacting with us, have been attracted to us based on like attracts and begets like, and also the law of balance.

  Again, if one tries to use predominantly their intellect in understanding and perceiving this, it will be a very long road to same. 

  The deeper one goes within, the easier it becomes to perceive from a pure intuitive space, with the intellect only translating the info being received into "like or consciously understandable concepts."

Hi

Reading your discussion leads to an assortment of thoughts and puzzlements --

Looking at a previously discussed analogy of PUL as being like or similiar to the purrr of a cat, one can see that your above views complement each other nicely.

A cat's purr is both physical and emotional; it involves a fine vibration. PUL is both physical and emotional. The astral body is also known as the emotional body. The phsycial and the emotional must affect each other, or perhaps better said, they exist as a continuum.
If all that is true, then astral kidnapping is as useful as a physical one.

What we may think of as an organ, specifically the heart in this case, may be an instrument of energy that works through multiple layers, such as physical and astral.

It seems like humans are here working on their heart energy from a point of view of having too much individuality/ego. And you all say that the greys are here working on heart energy too, from the opposite end of the ego spectrum.

Group consciousness may sometimes have its place as long as individuality is still accepted as the true nature of the soul.

Seeing these aliens as grey is appropriate because even humans here can develop a grey pallor when their hearts are not working correctly.

Perhaps human souls are here to find that being encased in the physical is not a prison, because even dense material has or is energy. Science is finally at the point where it's telling us this, but perhaps we have to find it in the reality of our hearts personally as well. Moving the energy of PUL through our hearts is the best way to find this out.

Or more briefly, you all have given us alot to think about! 

Betson

PauliEffectt wrote on Sep 1^st, 2012 at 1:04pm:


  If you read Bruce's account more carefully, he doesn't say that they were completely without PUL, but rather that they didn't have the feeling experience of it, but understood and perceived it in a more scientific and left brain way. 

  In other words, one can intellectually perceive, through an advanced scientific understanding, that everything is connected at a fundamental level.  One can even care and understand more intellectually that what one does to another or any other living (conscious) aspect of creation, one does to self because of that complete interconnection or "Oneness" that exists.  This understanding and perception is a big part of the very meaning of PUL.

  But really feeling and opening up to PUL in that sense..., now that's another thing, and quite a personal benefit and perk.  Feeling PUL helps one to move into joyous and exalted states of feeling and being.  A lack of attunement to PUL, either the feeling or intellectual understanding and perception, can lead to a truly gray, numb, or even suffering filled experience depending on the kind of beings involved.   

For beings with a severe lack of emotions and feelings to begin with, then there will be more of just that kind of gray and numb existence.  For more emotional-feeling oriented beings like humans, it can also lead to that, but sometimes (or often) to a more acute suffering and pain filled existence that can become very hindering and limiting in it's intensity.   

  It's hard, if not impossible, to affect completion (full conscious awareness of Oneness with Source and the All that Is) without a balance of both, the feeling aspect and the intellectual/mental aspect.   It sounds like the 2nd Gathering group really wanted to grow, enough to put themselves in unknown, unfamiliar and/or challenging situations wherein they had to give up a certain amount of control.