Hi Chrwe,

it may be many mystics say that the person dies completely, on the other hand, they usually say it in a mystical way. Reunation with God, Nirvana, dissolve into the great one etc. They don't talk of nothingness. I think some of them have had experiences which we haven't made, so what they tell us might make us frighten, because we only read the words, but don't understand what's behind the words, and that what's behind the words might not be frightening at all.

I think you should overcome your fear of the death of the person. Face it directly. It's not logical. The best way to live is to become independent of what may come after the physical death. See, we have to live now. To always look at the end of everything is the wrong approach. You'll never become happy in a world of transientness when you always look at the end of everything. Everything here is transient. When we don't accept this, it's hell. And when we look at the "person", let's look at what this our person was 10, 20, 30... years ago, what it was when we've been a baby. Isn't it clear that the person is transient as well, without even considering death? And, is it really desirable to become glued to our history for all eternity? Even when there's reincarnation, we never will be the same. As it is in this life. So, why worry?

I really think you should try to get rid of the fear of non-existing. No one here can make you really know what it's like in the afterlife. To get rid of that fear would mean a new way of living for you. It is possible. When you really think about it, question this fear, there will be a point of acceptance, and then it will be a much more peaceful life for you.

About your positive experiences, people who suffer deeply do have moments when they can neutralize the reason they suffer from and go into states beyond what people are capable of who are settled in a dubious belief system. It's often not permanent. But it can be a sign for a permanent change coming, away from suffering.

Spooky

Hello Spooky,

of course you are right and it would be much better if I could accept that we are transient beings in a transient world and that what we are will just be gone. However, it is the "forever" part that frightens me so as well as the loss of all love, wisdom and experience associated with it. Someone said "what is in your heart, do you really believe this" and I must say, my heart says "it cannot be" but my brain says "it is obviously what happens" and sometimes my heart says this too now.

Do you really think we are a different person now than 10, 20, 30 years ago? I have the feeling that I am still the same person, basically, I have new experiences and learned a lot, but I am still the same essential "me".

And it is not only the likelihood my personal oblivion (either through death or through severe brai´n damage) that drives me nuts. It is also the thought that, if this is true, this universe seems totally random and sensseless to me, cruel and unfair. Nothing we do in this life would make a difference, nothing we learn would make a difference, no good, no bad, nothing would matter - not even your children or the love you give, because it will all be gone for good in, say, 1 billion years.

With reincarnation, I have indeed the problem that I do not see how it can be "me" that reincarnates, but hopefully - if reincarnation is true, it seems it has never been truly proved - we remember all our past lives "between" lives. I dont want to be "glued to my personal history" for all eternity, no, I want to continue to learn and experience and expand and grow. But vanish? No.

But I don`t want to just rub my fears on you. Sadly, for me trying not to think about it, especially at night, is like sitting in a burning room with the doors locked and trying to read quietly. I`ll try leave you alone with my fear now , but thank you all a lot for helping me.

Hi David,

Some excellent points in your post above.

detheridge wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 10:31am:


Nicely done, detheridge!  I look forward to hearing about your PUL zap when it occurs, but it sounds like you may already be living it!

chrwe wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 10:40pm:



Hi again Christiane,
hang on in there -we're getting through this, and you know that all the folks here are on your side!

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As I see it, you're forgetting one important point:
you are not your body, you are not your brain, and you are not your thoughts.
Okay, that's three things!  (doh....)
Please be sure and comfortable with the idea that whatever happens to your body does not destroy or take away from the essential you. Yes of course it can disturb any outside observer to see the effects of brain damage.
Here's another analogy (you know by now that I'm a great one for these  )
Imagine the brain as the radio system on a ship: the captain gives his orders to the rest of the crew and they do the rest. Now if that communication system is damaged (brain damage) and the orders coming through are garbled or meaningless it doesn't mean that the captain has gone mad or changed completely into another person.
It's simply that the means of communication has broken down. By your own writings above, when the husband had the tumor removed 'he' came back. The means of communication were restored.
The point here is that he'd never been away in the first place, just that his means of communication had got messed up.
Likewise with old folks who are 'losing it' -I'm guessing that they're beginning to withdraw from this life. There may not be much going on on the surface, but for all you know they may be very active out of body, which would not necessarily show up to the observer.
Maybe someone more experienced on the forum here may like to comment further on this, as I'm only guessing.

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to which I would counter with the alternative argument that when all possibilities have been explored, the remaining one -NO MATTER HOW IMPROBABLE- must be the correct one. 

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Do you remember all your dreams? No -but any good hypnotist might be able to get you to the point where they all come flooding back. I know exactly what you mean -I've had anaesthesia when younger for dental work, and it was total blackness -very disappointing for someone expecting to see anything at all.
However, consider that some things in dreams can be so alien that your brain in analysing them simply can't make head or tail of things ('does not compute'  ) and so may blank out or translate the info into nonsense.
There's a bunch of stuff about this in both Bob and Bruce's books which you can investigate anytime.
When I'm doing Hemisync tapes and CDs I more often than not blank out completely. Is that because there's nothing there? No, simply because the weight of evidence in the entire Hemisync and Monroe Institute canon is overwhelmingly against that idea.
'I am more than my physical body....'
So even though I may blank out, I know that part of me is still getting the experience and it's stored in my subconscious mind. It's just frustrating that I can't get a conscious memory. So I'll keep bashing away at it until I finally make the breakthrough. What have I got to lose?

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Ah but we do! Just not in this lifetime.
Also consider the idea that if you remembered all your lifetimes this time around, you might be hamstrung by the weight of knowledge and responsibility. So many lives, so many people to be linked with, so many mistakes 
that you'd end up maybe not doing anything! 

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Well, that's supposed to be all part of the fun, trying to work out just what the hell we're here to do! 
In my own case I drifted for years wondering just what the hell I was supposed to do. In fact looking back I can see from this perspective that a lot of it was staring me in the face, but my perception AT THAT TIME couldn't see it. (I would so love to go back to around 1971 and do it all right again instead!!!!!  )
Maybe part of the answer is trying to still the mind to the point where you can get inner guidance. It's always there, the point is just hearing it and getting out of our own way for it to come through.
No I haven't mastered that one either! 
Sometimes it works, most times not. But the point there is that once you've got that one working, you'll have achieved that on your own. Another success!
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Personally, I think that's another belief system. If we are all part of 'god' (to use the only term I can think of at the moment) and all god's creation, and we're all supposed to be linked that way, then how can we NOT survive as an individual soul?
And I have to correct you here: the idea thaat we choose a life is FAR FAR older than the 70s. The U.K. had a Society for Psychic Research in the early part of the 20th century, if not before (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was just one of the eminent Victorians being associated with this), American Indian lore makes mention of past and future lives and meeting loved ones again, Norse spiritual ideas included this, as I believe was also the case for the Celts Druids and far more.
And of course the Ancient Egyptians were masters of all this stuff!
Do you really believe that this idea would have persisted for so long if there hadn't been some gem of truth behind it? (And I haven't even begun to mention Atlantean lifetimes which I've experience through hypnotic regression..... )
Did you know that it's been reported that more people on the planet actually believe in reincarnation and life after death than those who don't? Mind you, you won't get that reported on Fox or Sky News, for reasons I outlined in my last reply to you.

Christiane, dear Christiane, please relax. It's all true, it all works, and you simply can't be excluded from it all.
By the way, I thought's just occurred to me:
You requested all this stuff before you were born!! (AAARRGGHHHH!  )
as part of your path.

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I met a woman on a TV discussion show about reincarnation. Unfortunately her name escapes me at the moment, but she's a famous example.
Sher's an Irish lady who as a child starting talking about her 'other' family, recalling names, locations, areas, and even drawing pictures of the house she had lived in with her other 'family'. Despite others pooh pooh-ing her claims as delusions, she investigated here dreams and discovered her family from a previous lifetimes, This woman had been the mother of the family in a previous life and died. Here children were all grown up now, but they've accepted this woman as the reincarnation of their mother and rekindled the relationship they had before.

This is all proved and documented, and there's no 'rational' explanation for this woman's knowledge of a family that she's never met or 'read about somewhere' (an oft quoted excuse in these cases).
In India, where they're a lot more open about these ideas, proven reincarnation is far more common. Again here, young children may talk about spouses and children they have elsewhere, which are then investigated and acted upon, AND ACCEPTED AS THE NORM.
One I saw on U.K. tv a few years ago was especially fascinating as the Indian child concerned even had the mark on his head in the exact place where a bullet killed him in the previous life.
Go figure, as they say.......

And don't discount overlapping past lives. As linear time doesn't exist 'over there', you could argue (and some have on this very forum?) that you can be born again before you've died here.
All those hours of watching Star Trek really pay off 

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See above.

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Because there's no money to be made out of it?
Mind you, if that's true, why have both the Russian and U.S. armies spent serious amounts of time and money on remote viewers? That's the paranormal, and 'as it's all rubbish and pseudoscience anyway', and by your own words unproven, why bother?
Answer: because it has been proven, and kept quiet about for obvious reasons. There's too much at stake for them to admit it, and it throws the current scientific world view right out of the window as a result.
Just because we don't know the principles, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
The principles of electricity and nuclear fusion have always existed, Try telling that to the church is the middle ages and you would have been sent to the gallows as being in league with the devil. In these supposedly more enlighten times it's dismissed as 'pseudoscience'.


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Maybe they are speaking but something's blocking your communication. Maybe you are?
I have the same problem with guides. When I went through a crisis many years ago I decided that my guides had given up on me and gone to the beach instead. I used to refer to my guides as 'you bastards!'
It's got a bit better since then, needless to say 

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Christiane, no-one here's going to get angry with you. A lot of folks here have gone through the same thing in questioning what life and existence is all about and whether any of it has meaning. This is the test we all set for ourselves, and it's a big one to break away from the herd mentality and strike out on (what seems like) your own.
But we're ALL doing it here! otherwise this forum (and no doubt others like it) simply wouldn't exist.

You have the inalienable right to question everything and demand answers. Just consider that the answers might come in ways that you don't expect, and that avenues will open up for you in seemingly random ways -there are no coincidences actually.
And lastly , for now, don't worry about beliefs, They can always be changed in the light of your own experience. Like Bob Monroe said when asked about questions like these: Go find out for yourself. He didn't want to have any dogma about this. If you work it out for yourself then that's perfect for you.
Above all, don't believe a word I write!
If it resonates with you that's fine. If not, that's fine too.
I'm not trying to convert anyone here. These are all ideas for your consideration. What conclusions you come to are entirely up to you. Don't worry, we're all here for you.

Now you're overtired again, so :
GET SOME REST!!

and we'll talk again.

Lots of love as always,
David.

PS. It occurred to me that I don't know where all this stuff is coming from in my replies to you. Maybe your guides are using me to get to you? think about it.

D.

That's the lady!!
And very nice a person she was too.

Many thanks , Jean.

David.

Dear Mathew,

You certainly did work hard to gleen out of Jenny's books items that would please the skeptic in you. I notice here that now that Don's taking a break, you've taken his role.

When suffering the “dark night of the soul”, as it appears Christine might be, skepticism is not helpful. I suspect that David is trying to address her questions regarding the afterlife in hopes of lifting her spirits.

Matt states:

But if Jenny Cockell’s story is untrue, where did it come from? The best evidence suggests that such past-life memories are not memories at all. The alleged remembrances made under hypnosis are simply the products of an invitation to fantasize.

Actually Bruce, IMO, encourages us to use our imaginations to free up our thinking (prime the pump) to dislodge some of our traditional limiting beliefs in hopes of allowing our non-physical experiences to become more real.

For many of us reincarnation is a part of our reality just as the conflict you seem to be having  between your religious upbringing and exploration of alternative research ie. Reading Jennie Cockell's story. Remember it's all good.

Skepticism, discernment, or critical thinking certainly, at times, has it's place, but not necessarily here or now. And I realize that we do use this board to explore what's happening in our own minds as well as sharing and giving comfort to others.

Jean