Seraphis1, How did Ramana Maharshi express this enlightenment? Do you have any idea about this experience?
I beleave enlightenment is a personal growth experience and only valuable to the one experiencing it and others of his "disk" as Bruce calls it. Why would people give Money? Thats like giving money to the church. I don't get it. You cant buy enlightenment, or for that matter access to God. Although that seems to be the sales pitch of many cults and religions, including those selling the possibility of enlightenment, like how you mention in your post by the manager.

The importance of The Transcendental State as far as Earth consciousness and world peace in concerned... when, a being accomplished the correct raising of Kundalini... and this is the caveat... Kundalini flows into the World and changes the DNA structure of the overall planetary, as well as, individual structures... thus having a profound effect on the current spiritual evolution of the Planet... but, as I said earlier... the correct understanding of Kundalini and the correct awakening of its power is the key to the whole thing...

S.

betson wrote on Apr 8^th, 2010 at 11:38pm:


Hi Bets: This is a semantics issue. I cannot tell you what the correct method or what or how to bring about the phenomena... I am inclined to regard it as a matter of 'Grace'. But, what I mean is this... there are many possible energy events which might look and feel like a Kundalini awakening... but, are another phenomena... In the case of Bruce Moen's Wahunka events... is this a Kundalini event of a sort of the beginning of the potential of making it possible to have a Kundalini event... I just don't know... but, Kundalini is a real force, it behaves in very specific ways and it produces in the environment very powerful effects both good and bad... depending on the use and where it is turned into depravity or savagery (Hitler for example)... it will destory you Hitler for example if abused... but, to have the most powerful effect it must be drawn up the spine into the brain... that I am sure of... and all seven layers of the Serpent must be awakened... this took almost 15 years to occur in the case of Dr. David Hawkins... but the effects in the world are enormous in relative terms... and the more beings who can pull this off will alter the Planetary Karma... dramatically...

S.

But there is an enlightened Guru to help those who seek the spiritual path. I'm sure there is more than one. I have been initiated by one and that's how I am able to meditate on the Sound Current. Up til then, I was not able to meditate. I was somewhat skeptical, but the practices of this spiritual teacher and his international outreach convinced me that I should be initiated. His organization accepts no money from non-initiates. He makes his own income from books and other sources, not initiate contributions! My husband has been part of the organization for 32 years, and never influenced me at all. I had to do all the searching and asking questions on my own.

If anyone is interested, PM and I will send a link to the organization, as I don't want to appear as though I am trolling for initiates, lol...

Yes, you must do what works for you. I believe in what you say though, an enlightened being is the person to look to for initiation. After all, how can you learn much from someone who hasn't experienced different spiritual realms on his/her own. It's like real estate law, a spiritual teacher can only give you what they have. If they have only been to the astral region, how can you expect for them to know more or give you  more?

The Dilemna of the guru-less spiritual student!

Exerpted I/reality and subjectivity - Dr. David Hawkins

[b]Q. What is the ‘structure’ of the spiritual domain?

A. Although it is without structure as commonly understood, it has characteristics (analogous to the ‘observables’ of Quantum Mechanics) that are quite discernible by their effects. While we can impose an intellectual structure on these qualities, they exist only in the mentation of the observer.[/b]

What this means is that the chakras don’t actually exist, they are a mentation a convenient construct to use as a common denominator in a system… in which ‘effects’ which themselves are illusion (but substantive at some level of consciousness of an unfolding student0 can be recognized as a waypoint in the unfoldment process…

In short the ‘effects’ are powerful, more powerful than the mentation that might surround them and attempt to identify them… thus Robert Monroe avoided the standard nomenclature of the established world of mysticism centuries old… and chose to create a new paradigm… hewing close to mainstream science to avoid polarization and niche - ing.

S.

I have been in contact for several years with a person that is fully enlightened or awake. He is 76 years old and lives in USA. His name is Melvyn Wartella.

This is his web page: http://www.friendsofreality.org

I have interacted for years with him by email and I have learned a lot. He has written several essays in his
website and is writing a book right now.

I have asked him several times about afterlife, but he never wanted to talk about that theme in depth.

This is what he said me once:

"The main reason I have not written an essay on the afterlife is I did not want the ego to feel too comfortable. As you know, most people seek the truth for the  wrong reasons. In the beginning it is just about always the ego that wants to find something that will make it feel secure, so they want the big Prize: Spiritual Awakening. When most people realize they will have to end their dream of self, they just drop out and go back to being entertained. But for those who realize the beauty of Awakening, they stay. But even then, most want to live forever, which in the beginning means the ego gets to keep playing its games."

But a few days ago I back to him with this theme again.
I asked him to read the afterlife model of Frank Kepple that is in this page: http://focus-4.es.tl

He did it and answered me. His response surprised me.

This was his answer:

Hello Sergio,

I read all of what Kepple has to say and I am in complete agreement with him. He has put it together in far more detail than I have tried because the afterlife is not my main focus. It is a valuable work he has done and he said it very clearly. I have read few people who seem to understand the nature of this creative consciousness we all share, but he is certainly one of them and the most clear.

When I had my main awakening, I entered all Focus areas and I realized it was all one process and that for the fully open mind, it all becomes very clear. As for Focus 4, I also saw the end of that stage and experienced it. I realized that at that stage we need do nothing, be nothing, create nothing, identify as nothing, absolute zero. Yet, it was pure bliss, Joy beyond anything one has ever experienced. It was a return to the very Heart of Being. We have nothing to lose by death. In fact when I was led to believe I only had about a year to live, I was joyful because I look forward to the adventure. But now doctors are saying I may live many more years. Which is okay too because as Kepple says, it is all already here.

Much of the physic experiences I have had have also made it clear that we are now in all Focus areas at the same time. I have also been saying for years that all things, events, experiences, etc.. are happening concurrently, at the same time. And that there is no time or space. It is good to see that someone else has seen this. So far, everything he says is right on. I don't try to put into words exactly how I see reality in my day to day world because so few would understand it. I can see that I am in different Focus areas from moment to moment. This mind is so flexible and flowing, that there seem to be no limits on what may be experienced and lived.

If people come to awaken to what I have been trying to show them, they will be much more able to see and understand Frank's work.

What he said about how going to Focus 4 completely changes us, is true. When I went into F4, there was a profound transformation and when I came back into the so-called normal state of being, I did understand things that few people have ever seen. But even after that, it to a long time, or so it seems, to come to understand as much as I do now.

Stay well and happy.

Melvyn