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Rondele
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Reply #15 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 3:13pm
 
David-

Why not try telling yourself this: "Ok, all this Monroe/Moen stuff is a crock.  Those folks who rave about how great it is are just deluding themselves.  They are essentially cheerleaders and groupies."

So forget about them and put away your computer for a while.  Go out and find someone...anyone...who is down and out and cheer them up the best you can.  Maybe a nursing home or equivalent.  Or it could be a bum or panhandler on the street corner.  Doesn't matter.  Give a kind word or a helping hand.

Because if there really is an afterlife, and a life review, those small things are what's really going to count anyway.  Just be sure you are doing it for them and not for yourself.

And by so doing, you will help yourself immensely.  What have you got to lose?  Give it a go.

Come back in a week or two and let us know, ok?

R
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Reply #16 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:37pm
 
David...I am 61, American, retired military, just had double masectomy after 7 months of intensive chemotherapy and do not own anything but my car and some personal items. Yet, through all this, each day (almost) I begin my day saying "Thank you Spirit/God for all my blessings, those known and unknown." I have had absolutely no negative reaction to chemo nor any issues (to date) but still have 5 more months before the reconstructive procress is completed.

I try to meditate, using the unisyn cds and various other methods but have never succeded nor am I able to connect with my spirit guides. The one thing that gives me my daily courge and desire to live is to see what is around the corner and if it will make me smile. I also derive great strength in my belief that all entities are on this planet for a purose. It may be smething so simple as to give a smile to someone who feels they have nothing left to live for yet that smile transforms their life.

You love music, go downtown near a busy intersection, drop a hat on the groud with a note "Depression is kicking me but my music uplitfs me, hope it makes your day also." You may get nothing or you may get something. Either way, you will be doing what you love *smiles* Try it. What do you have to lose?
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Re: suicide,which is forgiven near death experience
Reply #17 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 5:35am
 
I have known four people who have taken their own lives. Of those three suffered from depression and one was ill with cancer. I don't believe suicide is a sin and at the end of the day is a personal choice. But I do believe that the people I knew had other options available to them which in a suicidal frame of mind they simply could'nt see, its a kind of tunnel vision. In that tunnel state they could'nt see that in 6 months or a year they could feel very differently to that moment in time.

If you are facing challenges now, David, you can take heart that some of the world's most celebrated figures also had such times (ever watch 'The Wilderness Years' about Winston Churchill ?). I think tough times really do make success all the sweeter when you get it and it also helps you empathise with people going through similar problems.For example, in his books Bruce Moen can really relate to people who struggle with afterlife perception as he spent so long 'convinced he was making it all up'.

I found 'Signals' by Joel Rothschild to be inspirational on the subject of suicide.

David, your greatest successes lie in front of you and then you can be an inspiration to us all.....

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Reply #18 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 8:39am
 
My thoughts exactly, this is that period of time before something amazing happens.

Perhaps, shift from using your cds from one source. Try another source from a different provider, for guided meditation inspiration. It may be that only a slight shift can add some extra beauty and support to your path.

About your music, your artistic visions. Just don't ever give up. That's the rule. Music, art, they don't require the approval of others or even their support for you to rise above it. Go and be where other artists are, even as some others here say, on the street, wherever they are. There's no other better life, for an artist, than making their art, somehow, some way. We all need it, especially in these times.
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Reply #19 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 9:36am
 
Dear folks,
thank you so much for your messages of support and suggestions. It's really touching and I'm now cautiously optimistic that something may well 'turn up'. Smiley

Rondele: I hear what you're saying. However, I can't decide that this is all nonsense. I like RAM's books, I can see that it all works (the evidence is too overwhelming for a start!), I believe in this stuff and that's why I've kept at it for years rather than giving up after a few weeks. The frustrating thing is/was that it all seemed to be happening to you folks on the board here and not me. So I figured I must be missing out something or doing something wrong.
As for going out and helping someone down and out: for years I've always supported folks in the U.K who sell a magazine on the street called the Big Issue, specifically dealing with the homeless and sold by folks who are trying to get back on their feet. Why? because 15 years ago I was a heartbeat away from being homeless and that's a terrifying prospect, so I can completely empathise with these people. I always stop and chat to them because I admire them for their courage and tenacity. I certainly don't think I would survive if I was in that situation. 'There but for fortune'..etc.

I know there will be an afterlife review and I will put my hands up and admit all the daft things I've done and accept the reponsibility.

I think overall its because I'm now 58 and I realise that there are some things I will never achieve this time around. Some I don't have the time and space for (all those plans for model railroads  Grin), other things where its too late or I'm in the wrong place. Even though I know I'm very fortunate to play music and earn a living at it, I always feel I could have done it all so much better (the old excuse 'if only I'd known then what I know now').
What I can do is pass on the knowledge I've gained to pupils (who range from 11 to 78) and the two orchestras I conduct (my pic on this site shows me in action  Roll Eyes)

If I'm in the place of the darkest hour before the dawn, then I'll hang in there and keep you kind folks posted on what happens. I'd love for b2 and heisenberg to be proven right and that I can inspire you all through what I have achieved as a result of your love and support.
Once again folks, many many thanks.

Best wishes,
David.
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