Bruce Moen wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 10:43am:Alarmclock,
Quote: I would like to intervene and ask that she perhaps doesn't give advice when she doesn't even know whether or not her advice is safe, sound and true.
I think that is advice you might consider for your own actions. We are all entitled to our beliefs and to express them here without fear of ridicule, as long as we don't infringe others rights in doing so.
While I understand that you believe in demons and in the power of Satan, not everyone here shares those beliefs. You are free to share your beliefs here, but you are not free to dictate what beliefs others may or may not hold. Afterall, if Satan is the Great Deceiver capable of hoodwinking any of us about anything in devious and deceptive ways, none of us can know whether or not anyone else's advice, including mine and yours, "is safe, sound and true."
In the final analysis we are all left with a choice:
Do I trust my own perception and my own experience, or not?
Bruce
I do admit that there was likely another way I could have come out and said as such without sounding so demeaning. For this I apologize to both you and Juditha as well as anyone else who may have read it and took it the wrong way.
Quote:hi alarm clock,what makes you think you know more than what i do and beleive me i know about jesus and god,i just gave to undermanager what i
received from spirit and i have had dark entitys around me and they have not been threatning to me.i have not got it wrong in my opinion,so you put your say on here on the forums and so shall i,and you can say what you like but dont put me down and while we are on this subject i dont think for one minute that i'm holier than thou,you dont know me so who gave you the right to judge me.god didn't,so who are you.
love god bless love juditha
Please excuse me Juditha as I would like to apologize once again. It was not right for me to cast my doubts in your beliefs in such a way. So, instead, let us approach it in a more organized and civilized manner.
Could you please explain to me just how you were able to discover that this spirit was not benevolent and more importantly, was descendant from the OP's grandfathers side? You said you could say both things with "great certainty" and yet, I read elsewhere on these forums that you were having some issues of your own with some spirits. How can you so readily give advice and be so inherently knowledgeable about other people's spirit problems if you appear to be having trouble with your own?
DocM wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 11:54am:How would our loved ones communicate to us through the spirit realm, if they wanted to do so? There have been rare reports of apparitions (almost like images) of deceased loved ones, but is it not possible that someone connected to us spiritually might appear as a fleeting shadow or a cloud of smoke, manipulating subtle things, hoping we would notice? This sounds like the most likely explanation of these visions, rather than a demonic encounter.
Fear often comes from our own minds, and from the lack of love. Many on this board used to say that FEAR is "False Evidence Appearing Real." We always have a choice in any situation we encounter. We can approach the situation with an open mind, centered on love, or we can indulge our fears. Two take home points here, that I believe are crucial. First, that we, as spiritual beings incarnate are given free will and free choice; we can choose how to act, and no other entity can take that choice away (unless we willingly give up our own power). Secondly, fear and love are two emotions diametrically opposed. If we express love - bring into our thought the deep love of others, it does, for a time truly dispel fear.
Since the law of mind is the law of true, deep-seated belief ("as per your belief, so it is done unto you"), those who believe in demons, fear them, and indulge in that thought, allow the deep seated belief to impress on their own subconscious, thus, in my opinion acting as an invitation to manifest in their own realities. Those who believe in love and travel with love seldom report experiences with demons. Why is that?
I must add here, that I believe that there are spirits, human or otherwise who choose to espouse unloving views, and thus might be termed demonic. If a person/being lives selfishly, and doesn't follow a path of love, and this pattern continues, they may willingly enter a hellish society when they die. There may be spirits who have believed this way for ages. So I don't deny the possible existence of evil. For me, however, evil is the willing action in opposition to love.
So my message to you is first, to look at an encounter with the trenchcoat being with open, loving, unfearful mind. What emotional sense do you get from them. Reach out with love, and with a greeting. Some people ask for God's protection and that of "heaven" just before doing so. If the entity were not acting out of love - in most instances, the "gut feeling" you'd have would tell you so. If it were a deceased relative, you'd get no such feeling.
Alarm clock has the right to believe in fear and in demons who can take control over someone's free will. Yet in that firm belief, there is, imho an invitation to experience those realities. My suggestion is to keep in mind that you are the master of your choices (free will) and destiny, and that you act out of love. People or entities based on hate or deception usually would flee from such ideas.
Matthew
Well said and eloquently put! I suppose my core belief on this subject stems from the fact that, if this spirit was indeed "well-intentioned" in the sense that he meant the OP no harm, then why would he so creepily and confusingly appear to him? If he was indeed a loving spirit then wouldn't he go out of his way to ensure that the OP was in no way uncomfortable or frightened by his appearance?
rondele wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 12:20pm:Doc (et al)-
* ES, who probably explored the afterlife more extensively than anyone since, did encounter what he described as demons. And the thing is, I don't think he encountered those demons merely because he was preconditioned to believe in them. He approached this field of study because of academic interest, not because of his belief in angels or demons.
* Yes, love and fear cannot co-exist. But the issue is not love and fear, the issue is whether afterlife exploration can run the risk of running into unsavory characters whether we want to call them the Devil or demons or whatever. And I believe the answer is yes.
* ES warned about the extensive amount of deception in the afterlife. So to answer Bruce, yes if we encountered a Jesus-like character in the afterlife, that character may in fact not be the Jesus of the Bible. But more importantly, "information" that is conveyed to us by afterlife persons may or may not be accurate and may be highly misleading.
* Bruce himself warned about fooling around with the ouija board. So why wouldn't we also be warned about the inherent dangers of wandering around the afterlife?
* Do we really believe that if we run into an evil entity, all we have to do is "send" PUL to it, and it'll disappear? That little trick would not work here in physical life (think Charlie Manson) if we encountered an evil-doer, so why do we think it would be effective in the case of a malicious spirit? Doesn't make sense.
* Regarding Jesus imposters, take a few hours and read one of the Gospels and then read what "Jesus" had to say in ACIM. Whichever one is the true Jesus may be up for debate, but what isn't up for debate is that those two individuals cannot possibly be the same person. So yes, Jesus can be represented by any number of imposters.
I don't see the conundrum Bruce sees re. the crucifixion unless we contend that Satan can walk the earth and become anyone he wants. If we believe that, we could say the same thing about any public figure including the President of the U.S. or our own parent or spouse.
R
Pretty much everything you just said goes directly in line with what I believe. Again, well said and I don't even think I could have put it any better myself!