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What are shadow beings??
Dec 30th, 2009 at 8:58am
 
When i was younger (between the ages of 9 and 11) I would see the figure of a man in a hat and wearing a long trench coat.  I would see him in the same place every night (on my door which was directly paralell wih my bed.  At first I was terrified and wouldn't turn around to face the strange shadow on the wall.  Then one night, my fear grew into curiosity and I started to move my ornaments around, curtains etc to see if the figure would move or change.  It didn't.  Then at night I would lie in bed staring at the shadow for ages.  Once the head of the shadow moved to the side and i could see he had a long pointy goatee.  Then one day he was gone!

I moved in with my mam when I was 16 and she too saw him.  She said he was in the form of black smoke and came through a crack in the door, it moved to the other side of the room and disappeared through another crack in the door.  She said her dog also noticed this apparition and got on her hind legs and followed it to the other side of the room.  I asked her to draw what she saw,  it was the same figure I would see on my bedroom wall when i was younger.

I guess my question is why did the shadow watch me for? and is he dangerous?
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Reply #1 - Dec 30th, 2009 at 10:17am
 
hi undermanager i can say with much certainty that this is not a threatning spirit you see ,i sense that he comes from way back in your family,i get that he is a guide for you and he give love,i get the name reg for him so strongly,i feel he needed to help you along your life pathway to realease some karma he needed  to to finish for his developement amongst the spiritworld,this he gives me,he only comes in love,hes saying he comes from your grandfathers side and he still gives me this name reg,he says do not fear him as he trys many times to help you in your life,but you do not always know that he is around.he has come with love and only love,he holds this cross out to you ,it is gold,plain gold,he says you know of this cross,hes also mentioning weymouth for some reason,he gives me the name of eleanor or ella.this is all he gives to me,if this is wrong sorry but i have to give what is given to me from spirit.

love and god bless  love juditha
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Reply #2 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 8:44pm
 
Don't believe that he's not threatening for a second. He's a demon an do not let anyone tell you any differently. Luckily, a quick way to ensure his quick exit is a simple, "Lord Jesus Christ is with me always and in his name I command you be gone!"

Feel free to try out any other methods suggested here and fall back on this one when they don't work. Hopefully then you'll have begun to see that the real path you need to take is with your Lord and Savior instead of being vulnerable and all by yourself.
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hi undermanager i can say with much certainty that this is not a threatning spirit you see ,i sense that he comes from way back in your family,i get that he is a guide for you and he give love,i get the name reg for him so strongly,i feel he needed to help you along your life pathway to realease some karma he needed  to to finish for his developement amongst the spiritworld,this he gives me,he only comes in love,hes saying he comes from your grandfathers side and he still gives me this name reg,he says do not fear him as he trys many times to help you in your life,but you do not always know that he is around.he has come with love and only love,he holds this cross out to you ,it is gold,plain gold,he says you know of this cross,hes also mentioning weymouth for some reason,he gives me the name of eleanor or ella.this is all he gives to me,if this is wrong sorry but i have to give what is given to me from spirit.

love and god bless  love juditha


I don't get how you can invoke a "God Bless" in the same post in which you claim to tell this poor guy that the demonic spirit he's encountered is "friendly" and from his "grandfathers" side.

Tapping into one's "psychic" powers and our Lord God do NOT go hand-in-hand. It's either one or the other, so please don't try to mix in such things with Thou Who Is Holy. Especially when the "advice" doesn't have the particular parties best interest at heart what-so-ever.

Thanks.
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Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 12:34am
 
Alarm Clock

How are YOU going to tell someone else how they should respond to a post? I suggest you read the posting guidelines.
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supermodel wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 12:34am:
Alarm Clock

How are YOU going to tell someone else how they should respond to a post? I suggest you read the posting guidelines.


Because it's baseless and makes absolutely no sense? I've been reading around these forums quite a bit and while Juditha seems like a lovely women with her heart in the right place, I haven't seen or heard anything from her to warrant the fact that she's telling this man something that by all accounts, is absolutely false. And dangerously false at that!

After reading back my previous post, though, I do admit that it comes off quite hard. Biting even. And for this I apologize and acknowledge also that I cannot demand anyone on here to post in any which way -- we will all post as we please. However based on what I've just said, I would like to intervene and ask that she perhaps doesn't give advice when she doesn't even know whether or not her advice is safe, sound and true.
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 10:38am
 
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undermanager wrote on Dec 30th, 2009 at 8:58am:
I guess my question is why did the shadow watch me for? and is he dangerous?

How many years has it been since you were first aware of this guy?  And, how many times in those years has this guy caused you harm?  From what you have written so far it sounds like this guy was observing you for some reason, but you didn't mention any harm coming from him.

Seems like if he was dangerous you would have had some evidence of it by now.

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Reply #7 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 10:43am
 
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I would like to intervene and ask that she perhaps doesn't give advice when she doesn't even know whether or not her advice is safe, sound and true.

I think that is advice you might consider for your own actions.  We are all entitled to our beliefs and to express them here without fear of ridicule, as long as we don't infringe others rights in doing so. 

While I understand that you believe in demons and in the power of Satan, not everyone here shares those beliefs.  You are free to share your beliefs here, but you are not free to dictate what beliefs others may or may not hold.  Afterall, if Satan is the Great Deceiver capable of hoodwinking any of us about anything in devious and deceptive ways, none of us can know whether or not anyone else's advice, including mine and yours, "is safe, sound and true."

In the final analysis we are all left with a choice:
Do I trust my own perception and my own experience, or not?

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Reply #8 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 10:59am
 
hi alarm clock,what makes you think you know more than what i do and beleive me i know about jesus and god,i just gave to undermanager what i
received from spirit and i have had dark entitys around me and they have not been threatning to me.i have not got it wrong in my opinion,so you put your say on here on the forums and so shall i,and you can say what you like but dont put me down and while we are on this subject i dont think for one minute that i'm holier than thou,you dont know me so who gave you the right to judge me.god didn't,so who are you.

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Reply #9 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 11:54am
 
How would our loved ones communicate to us through the spirit realm, if they wanted to do so?  There have been rare reports of apparitions (almost like images) of deceased loved ones, but is it not possible that someone connected to us spiritually might appear as a fleeting shadow or a cloud of smoke, manipulating  subtle things, hoping we would notice?  This sounds like the most likely explanation of these visions, rather than a demonic encounter.

Fear often comes from our own minds, and from the lack of love.  Many on this board used to say that FEAR is "False Evidence Appearing Real."  We always have a choice in any situation we encounter.  We can approach the situation with an open mind, centered on love, or we can indulge our fears.  Two take home points here, that I believe are crucial.  First, that we, as spiritual beings incarnate are given free will and free choice; we can choose how to act, and no other entity can take that choice away (unless we willingly give up our own power).  Secondly, fear and love are two emotions diametrically opposed.  If we express love - bring into our thought the deep love of others, it does, for a time truly dispel fear.

Since the law of mind is the law of true, deep-seated belief ("as per your belief, so it is done unto you"), those who believe in demons, fear them, and indulge in that thought, allow the deep seated belief to impress on their own subconscious, thus, in my opinion acting as an invitation to manifest in their own realities.  Those who believe in love and travel with love seldom report experiences with demons.  Why is that?

I must add here, that I believe that there are spirits, human or otherwise who choose to espouse unloving views, and thus might be termed demonic.  If a person/being lives selfishly, and doesn't follow a path of love, and this pattern continues, they may willingly enter a hellish society when they die.  There may be spirits who have believed this way for ages.  So I don't deny the possible existence of evil.  For me, however, evil is the willing action in opposition to love.

So my message to you is first, to look at an encounter with the trenchcoat being with open, loving, unfearful mind.  What emotional sense do you get from them.  Reach out with love, and with a greeting.  Some people ask for God's protection and that of "heaven" just before doing so.  If the entity were not acting out of love - in most instances, the "gut feeling" you'd have would tell you so.  If it were a deceased relative, you'd get no such feeling.

Alarm clock has the right to believe in fear and in demons who can take control over someone's free will.  Yet in that firm belief, there is, imho an invitation to experience those realities.  My suggestion is to keep in mind that you are the master of your choices (free will) and destiny, and that you act out of love.  People or entities based on hate or deception usually would flee from such ideas.

Matthew
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Doc (et al)-

*  ES, who probably explored the afterlife more extensively than anyone since, did encounter what he described as demons.  And the thing is, I don't think he encountered those demons merely because he was preconditioned to believe in them.  He approached this field of study because of academic interest, not because of his belief in angels or demons.

*  Yes, love and fear cannot co-exist.  But the issue is not love and fear, the issue is whether afterlife exploration can run the risk of running into unsavory characters whether we want to call them the Devil or demons or whatever.  And I believe the answer is yes.

*  ES warned about the extensive amount of deception in the afterlife.  So to answer Bruce, yes if we encountered a Jesus-like character in the afterlife, that character may in fact not be the Jesus of the Bible.  But more importantly, "information" that is conveyed to us by afterlife persons may or may not be accurate and may be highly misleading.

*  Bruce himself warned about fooling around with the ouija board.  So why wouldn't we also be warned about the inherent dangers of wandering around the afterlife? 

*  Do we really believe that if we run into an evil entity, all we have to do is "send" PUL to it, and it'll disappear?  That little trick would not work here in physical life (think Charlie Manson) if we encountered an evil-doer, so why do we think it would be effective in the case of a malicious spirit?  Doesn't make sense.

*  Regarding Jesus imposters, take a few hours and read one of the Gospels and then read what "Jesus" had to say in ACIM.  Whichever one is the true Jesus may be up for debate, but what isn't up for debate is that those two individuals cannot possibly be the same person. So yes, Jesus can be represented by any number of imposters.

I don't see the conundrum Bruce sees re. the crucifixion unless we contend that Satan can walk the earth and become anyone he wants.  If we believe that, we could say the same thing about any public figure including the President of the U.S. or our own parent or spouse.

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Bruce Moen wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 10:43am:
Alarmclock,

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I would like to intervene and ask that she perhaps doesn't give advice when she doesn't even know whether or not her advice is safe, sound and true.

I think that is advice you might consider for your own actions.  We are all entitled to our beliefs and to express them here without fear of ridicule, as long as we don't infringe others rights in doing so. 

While I understand that you believe in demons and in the power of Satan, not everyone here shares those beliefs.  You are free to share your beliefs here, but you are not free to dictate what beliefs others may or may not hold.  Afterall, if Satan is the Great Deceiver capable of hoodwinking any of us about anything in devious and deceptive ways, none of us can know whether or not anyone else's advice, including mine and yours, "is safe, sound and true."

In the final analysis we are all left with a choice:
Do I trust my own perception and my own experience, or not?

Bruce


I do admit that there was likely another way I could have come out and said as such without sounding so demeaning. For this I apologize to both you and Juditha as well as anyone else who may have read it and took it the wrong way.

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hi alarm clock,what makes you think you know more than what i do and beleive me i know about jesus and god,i just gave to undermanager what i
received from spirit and i have had dark entitys around me and they have not been threatning to me.i have not got it wrong in my opinion,so you put your say on here on the forums and so shall i,and you can say what you like but dont put me down and while we are on this subject i dont think for one minute that i'm holier than thou,you dont know me so who gave you the right to judge me.god didn't,so who are you.

love god bless  love juditha


Please excuse me Juditha as I would like to apologize once again. It was not right for me to cast my doubts in your beliefs in such a way. So, instead, let us approach it in a more organized and civilized manner.

Could you please explain to me just how you were able to discover that this spirit was not benevolent and more importantly, was descendant from the OP's grandfathers side? You said you could say both things with "great certainty" and yet, I read elsewhere on these forums that you were having some issues of your own with some spirits. How can you so readily give advice and be so inherently knowledgeable about other people's spirit problems if you appear to be having trouble with your own?

DocM wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 11:54am:
How would our loved ones communicate to us through the spirit realm, if they wanted to do so?  There have been rare reports of apparitions (almost like images) of deceased loved ones, but is it not possible that someone connected to us spiritually might appear as a fleeting shadow or a cloud of smoke, manipulating  subtle things, hoping we would notice?  This sounds like the most likely explanation of these visions, rather than a demonic encounter.

Fear often comes from our own minds, and from the lack of love.  Many on this board used to say that FEAR is "False Evidence Appearing Real."  We always have a choice in any situation we encounter.  We can approach the situation with an open mind, centered on love, or we can indulge our fears.  Two take home points here, that I believe are crucial.  First, that we, as spiritual beings incarnate are given free will and free choice; we can choose how to act, and no other entity can take that choice away (unless we willingly give up our own power).  Secondly, fear and love are two emotions diametrically opposed.  If we express love - bring into our thought the deep love of others, it does, for a time truly dispel fear.

Since the law of mind is the law of true, deep-seated belief ("as per your belief, so it is done unto you"), those who believe in demons, fear them, and indulge in that thought, allow the deep seated belief to impress on their own subconscious, thus, in my opinion acting as an invitation to manifest in their own realities.  Those who believe in love and travel with love seldom report experiences with demons.  Why is that?

I must add here, that I believe that there are spirits, human or otherwise who choose to espouse unloving views, and thus might be termed demonic.  If a person/being lives selfishly, and doesn't follow a path of love, and this pattern continues, they may willingly enter a hellish society when they die.  There may be spirits who have believed this way for ages.  So I don't deny the possible existence of evil.  For me, however, evil is the willing action in opposition to love.

So my message to you is first, to look at an encounter with the trenchcoat being with open, loving, unfearful mind.  What emotional sense do you get from them.  Reach out with love, and with a greeting.  Some people ask for God's protection and that of "heaven" just before doing so.  If the entity were not acting out of love - in most instances, the "gut feeling" you'd have would tell you so.  If it were a deceased relative, you'd get no such feeling.

Alarm clock has the right to believe in fear and in demons who can take control over someone's free will.  Yet in that firm belief, there is, imho an invitation to experience those realities.  My suggestion is to keep in mind that you are the master of your choices (free will) and destiny, and that you act out of love.  People or entities based on hate or deception usually would flee from such ideas.

Matthew


Well said and eloquently put! I suppose my core belief on this subject stems from the fact that, if this spirit was indeed "well-intentioned" in the sense that he meant the OP no harm, then why would he so creepily and confusingly appear to him? If he was indeed a loving spirit then wouldn't he go out of his way to ensure that the OP was in no way uncomfortable or frightened by his appearance?

rondele wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 12:20pm:
Doc (et al)-

*  ES, who probably explored the afterlife more extensively than anyone since, did encounter what he described as demons.  And the thing is, I don't think he encountered those demons merely because he was preconditioned to believe in them.  He approached this field of study because of academic interest, not because of his belief in angels or demons.

*  Yes, love and fear cannot co-exist.  But the issue is not love and fear, the issue is whether afterlife exploration can run the risk of running into unsavory characters whether we want to call them the Devil or demons or whatever.  And I believe the answer is yes.

*  ES warned about the extensive amount of deception in the afterlife.  So to answer Bruce, yes if we encountered a Jesus-like character in the afterlife, that character may in fact not be the Jesus of the Bible.  But more importantly, "information" that is conveyed to us by afterlife persons may or may not be accurate and may be highly misleading.

*  Bruce himself warned about fooling around with the ouija board.  So why wouldn't we also be warned about the inherent dangers of wandering around the afterlife? 

*  Do we really believe that if we run into an evil entity, all we have to do is "send" PUL to it, and it'll disappear?  That little trick would not work here in physical life (think Charlie Manson) if we encountered an evil-doer, so why do we think it would be effective in the case of a malicious spirit?  Doesn't make sense.

*  Regarding Jesus imposters, take a few hours and read one of the Gospels and then read what "Jesus" had to say in ACIM.  Whichever one is the true Jesus may be up for debate, but what isn't up for debate is that those two individuals cannot possibly be the same person. So yes, Jesus can be represented by any number of imposters.

I don't see the conundrum Bruce sees re. the crucifixion unless we contend that Satan can walk the earth and become anyone he wants.  If we believe that, we could say the same thing about any public figure including the President of the U.S. or our own parent or spouse.

R


Pretty much everything you just said goes directly in line with what I believe. Again, well said and I don't even think I could have put it any better myself! Smiley

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Reply #12 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:15pm
 
Rondele,

*  ES, who probably explored the afterlife more extensively than anyone since, did encounter what he described as demons.  And the thing is, I don't think he encountered those demons merely because he was preconditioned to believe in them.  He approached this field of study because of academic interest, not because of his belief in angels or demons.

***Doc responds:   ES and others encountered hateful beings.  As I said in my post, since we have free will, we can become unloving, and evil in that sense exists.  Yet our free will appears to be absolute.  But our subconscious/deep beliefs will determine how much of that evil we need to draw into our encounters. 

*  Yes, love and fear cannot co-exist.  But the issue is not love and fear, the issue is whether afterlife exploration can run the risk of running into unsavory characters whether we want to call them the Devil or demons or whatever.  And I believe the answer is yes.

***Doc responds - I agree that we can run into characters.  I believe however, for a demonic influence to have power over our own free will, we must give it the power or an invitation, through our deepest beliefs or thoughts. 

*  Bruce himself warned about fooling around with the ouija board.  So why wouldn't we also be warned about the inherent dangers of wandering around the afterlife?

***Doc Responds: Many, including Bruce give warnings about the afterlife.  The key difference between their warnings and one such as Alarm Clock is the belief that these entities have some sort of mystical control over a person and his/her free will, that allows an evil to exert itself over our own free will.

*  Do we really believe that if we run into an evil entity, all we have to do is "send" PUL to it, and it'll disappear?  That little trick would not work here in physical life (think Charlie Manson) if we encountered an evil-doer, so why do we think it would be effective in the case of a malicious spirit?  Doesn't make sense.

***Doc Responds - well, yes, I think that love, and loving intentions will make certain unloving spirits run away with their tails between their legs, but no, I don't believe that it is a magic bullet or cross to be wielded with instantaneous relief.  The main issue is whether you give the entity in question the power through your own belief to have sway over your own free will.  I don't. 


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DocM wrote on Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:15pm:
***Doc Responds: Many, including Bruce give warnings about the afterlife.  The key difference between their warnings and one such as Alarm Clock is the belief that these entities have some sort of mystical control over a person and his/her free will, that allows an evil to exert itself over our own free will.


I never said that they have any mystical control over you personally, I just believe that they have the ability to construct and alter the "afterlife" with which you all so freely visit. It is their natural realm after all, where you are just a visitor.
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Reply #14 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 7:12pm
 
Alarm Clock

IF I thought the way you did, I would drive myself insane trying to figure out what was real or what was deception!!!!

Is it from God? Is it from the Devil? How do you know ANYTHING AT ALL from the way that you think?

Do you trust your own view of the world around you? Like....seriously???
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