This question is mostly for Bruce if he looks at this board, but, anyone can answer. I recently completed the four Moen books. Then, I ran into another institute graduate who claims to be operating in Focus 27 and higher, the Planning centers etc.. Val Valarian... author of the Matrix V... can you Bruce or posters give me a heads up on this work... BM's work seems to have avoided the mechanics of the game and concentrated on the evolution toward PUL and PULA... but, VV seems to be explaining the mechanics of The Game... if this material is coming from The upper focus levels I can justify the $65 it takes to partake.

Thanks Beau. But, what I am interesting in getting from someone who has been to the focus 27 library are engaged in conversation with a Consciousness Worker is this... is Val Valerian getting his material on Reptilians, Orions, Sirions etc and the Game of simultaneous Oversoul incarnates and single path alien races from these sources are is this warmed over alien abduction/conspiracy stuff that has been around for years in that community. This is important because there is some imaginative stuff connected with the Endgame, Earth changes and the Escape Velocity Robert Monroe talks about... I have seen nothing other that Bruce Moen's Quad compendium this detailed... I trust BM's work... Can I trust Valerian's work he claims to be a student of Robert Monroe... but unlike Bruce Moen he has not talked to Bob Monroe since he died this he admits... but he claims proficiency with travel to focus 27 and beyond...

I often wonder why people go to other fallible people for metaphysical and esoteric wisdom and knowledge, when it is easily available free of cost if you only listen to creation and the reverberating sounds of God all around and in each of us.

To me it is like someone sitting with a friend in a movie theatre blocking his ears and then asking his friend all about the movie, thus receiving second hand information.

Use all your God giving senses and you will hear the songs of existence and creation and hear the angels sing

Listen to the wind and you will hear the whirl wind


Alan

Hi Alan: Nice sentiment, but, we all have personal goals and interests... mine is a search for the detail... relative to the history of Planet Earth and human beings... I have no problem with reading material like Bruce Moen's stuff which I believe I can rely on as honest and objective contact with real original sources... to each his own. 

Bruce Moen’s Quadrilogy is the Rosetta Stone of Cosmological thinking:

Here’s why I think this may be true… the Hollow Heavens and the Hells describe in Moen’s books have given me an insight into people like Valerian.

i.e… he has or is part of a kind of Hell. In his Hell there are simultaneous incarnations for humans and single incarnations for other groups, there is a darkside and a lightside playing a game whose goal is arriving at a point at which you learn you can quit playing the game… there are abductions, if you are human you may be food for alien cultures who dine on human beings??? is that fricasseed or oven roasted???.... he has laid out a map of that Hell… the collective mind of the followers of this material is potentially creating a space in the afterlife Hell areas to continue the struggle on the otherside… how interesting if I am right.

Hi Spooky: That is precisely what I am attempting to accomplish... I assume as I get into the TMI training I will arrive personally at the Library in Focus 27 and then I will get a first hand look at the things I am most interested in... but, I am always on the look out for sound information... Moen has produced probably the best cosmology out there which is directly from the source... i.e... the Consciousness workers at the planning centers... right now, I am becoming aware just how important an objective point of view really is... if you come to the material with preconceived material and belief systems in place you are going to color what you see in the Library... I think this is what happened to Valarian... he was the author of the KRll papers (since discredited as part of some scam against the ufo community... ) (I don't know if his work was used or not... but that does not matter) what is important in his TMI training and probably entry into the Library, he saw what validated what he already believed... instead of seeing and recording what was there and using it as sound information and revising his original belief system he used the material to reinforce his belief system ... in my opinion...this discussion for me is clearing my mind of things I think I knew and opening it to see the events unfold as they did occur... I hope I can see the events and let the events I see stand as absolute... and then look at what I thought I knew and alter that to conform... for example Sitchins work says that the Annanaki needed a slave labor force... they genetically engineered an early human prototype from an existing biped humanoid roaming around in the African jungle... is this true?? I hope to see that event and what really happened... that is what I want to verify.

Hi Recoverer: Amen, I concur, that is what turned me off immediately about the guy's work... that is why I decided to try to find out more about him... if you are interested check the review Beau posted early in this threat... it is very enlightening. 

I'll be curious what you think of the Trilogy, Albert. It does go on, but I found it worthwhile. It filled a void for me of what seems to be lacking in most of what I read which is a lot of subjective description without some science to help me grasp the why and wherefore. You might find his videos more palatable as a starting point. The book is very wordy, especially in the first book where he sets up his premise.