Hi Betson,

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Thank you, Brother.
But luckily I haven't lost anybody. I'm trying to learn more about it to help my friends, who don't understand English, and know nothing about this very unusual method. I'm going to practise it somehow, learn to do it, and then to explain them the technique.
Of course, I'll try it very soon. I have Bruce's Workshop, so the basic positions are clear. It would be nice to have more information about the "grey zone".

Premierre.operator wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 2:07pm:


Premierre,

I think you asking the same question for two different situations...how can you have a nonphysical conversation with a physically living person and how can you have a nonphysical conversation with a deceased person...correct? 

I wouldn't call it a matter of learning telepathy, although that's not an impossibility, but I think it implies certain expectations.  It sounds to me like you are trying to simply get an understanding of the technical side of how things work. 

When a person is deceased and you, the living, wish to communicate, all it takes is your intent to do that.  They will hear you.  You may not be aware if they are hearing you and responding to you, but they will definitely hear your message.  So then the other component is that you want to be able to get some kind of reassurance and verification that they are hearing you and that there is real communication and that you receive communication back from them. 

Because you've asked about communicating a nonphysical conversation with a living person, I would suggest you practice that method and see if you get some results and verifications that way.  It sounds like a great way for you to get practice.  The imagination-method techniques of using pretending would work the same way.  You would imagine the person you wish to talk to, imagine a setting, and then just begin a conversation, letting it flow naturally and paying attention to what you perceive.  All this is done, of course, with your intention of having a real nonphysical contact/communication with this other person. 

I would add that just because this person is physically alive, doesn't mean they will suddenly be receiving some telepathic/psychic message, however that's not an impossibility.  But what you can at least expect is that as you begin to practice this technique, you will be learning how you are able and capable of receiving information nonphysically.  The bonus of practicing on a living person that you know is that at some point you will have an actual physical conversation with them and something may come out in that conversation that verifiies some information you perceived nonphysically in your imagination-method technique. 

But you specifically asked about a physically alive LOST person, so this would be someone you don't know and cannot get verification from, unless of course you were able to actually locate the missing person.  So for those of us who aren't the kinds of psychic mediums we see on TV, we can learn and practice the imagination-method of tuning into someone nonphysically and sensing with our nonphysical sense perception.  The other person wouldn't need to see or hear you physically, because if you are communicating nonphysically then so are they.  It would mean that they, nonphysically, are communicating with you (assuming you are making a real connection). 

I think that's where it gets confusing, especially when we are new to all this... trying to understand what it means that we are nonphysical beings with nonphysical senses who also happen to be living in physical bodies that have physical senses.  It is hard to believe and understand that while I'm physically doing and saying one thing, I am also nonphysically doing other things that I am usually not even aware of.  So, learning this method of communication is really technically only a matter of learning to tune into another part of your awareness. 

Hi Hawkeye,

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You found the information about that girl, using the imagination technique of Bruce Moen, or something else?

Can you tell me, what's in your oppinion the "grey zone"? The true information area, which intersects with the imagination area?

Many thanks, Vicky!

May I ask some more questions? Do you move to any Focus, before starting pretening? Do you use the preparatory process as recommended by Bruce, or prefer another version - as tought by Robert Monroe in "The Gateway Experience", for example?

The "Grey Area"... It's the information between the area of imagination and the area of so-called true or objective information, right? Maybe you know if some scientific researches prove the existence of this area? The new science is almost merged with magic and spiritual practices. It's always easier to work, when there's a massive background of proof. Especialy scientific. "The White Crow" will appear sooner, I suppose.

Prem/Op, I don't know if I would call him "power-full". More like "aware". The story about getting arrested came directly from Joe himself. I beleave when I attended "Gateway" at TMI. It may have been "Guildlines". He has a remarkable gift with this remote viewing. Joe is not the only one and many others do and have done just as well as he. One, won the lottery. One does quite well in Vegas. Some look for people, or places, things, like Joe has done in the past years. Some continue to work for the government, looking, seeing, hunting. We do, they do. There is a good chance that you could too at some point if you had the inclination to train yourself. Intention is a big part also.
I don't use Bruces methods, per say. I dont think as I have never read hes last book or listened to his tapes. I am fortunate enough to have a ability to sometimes "see". Some stays at TMI has helped me to form intention and to relax my mind enough to pick up more of what I do see. Sometime you just know. For me, this is the case here. I move directly to her emotional energy.

Hi Hawkeye!

Thank you. It's clear. You have this ability from your birth, so you don't need much training.

And Joe is cool in searching people. Is a photo enough for him? I heard such a point of view, that if one has never seen (in real life) a person, whom he wants to establish a contact with, he'll never be able to do it, unless he has an OUTSTANDING ability to access the collective subconsciousness. Sleepers can penetrate anyone's mind having just a photo, but there are only a few of them on the Earth.

betson wrote on Aug 7^th, 2009 at 8:42am:



Hi Bets,

What you state is so true, pretend and you will soon do it. Much like forcing your face into a smile and soon your smile becomes real does it not?

Love

Alan

Hi Hawk,

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The Hemi-Sync process is specially designed for this, isn't it? Doesn't it make your hemispheres work like a laser (coherent waves)?
Then why not use a mind-machine, they also help, as they say, though I've never tried myself. Many presets for bwgen are interesting, too. Psychotronics is the future of magic. Harmony of human and machine. Psychics + electronics = psychotronics. Some say, crutches. OK, let them train as Yogis and within 20 years of hard work acquire some skills together with hemorrhoids . At last they may become Masters, but as all know, Yogis don't live too long. To become a Master just to take their skills to the grave? It's stupid for an European. To me it sounds stupid and senseless. That's why I value machines used in addition to human consciousness. What about you?
The left hemisphere. Yes, ratio causes many problems. The thing is to know once and forever, that no objective physical reality exists. Have you ever tried something like LSD or peyot to get rid of the illusion that the reality doesn't depend upon human consciousness?