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Aug 4th, 2009 at 6:40pm
 
Hi there,

Got such a question. Bruce teaches how one can get real information, using pretending or fantasy. A great technique, IMHO. I understand why so many fantasy and science fictions authors sometimes appear to be true.
So, my question is. Can one get a true information about the rescued people, who are psysically alive, just lost, using this method? Or only for retrievals of people from nonphysical realities?
If one can, then why the trained psychics are of great value for police and other security services? If it's that easy to find info?
Also. Why aren't all the treasures, hidden by bank robbers already found?  Smiley
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Reply #1 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 10:59pm
 
Nobody knows this method (Bruce's Workshops seem to be be based on it)? Or nobody knows the answer?
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Reply #2 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 4:20am
 
The technique I teach can be used to access information within any reality, physical, nonphysical, etc.  The trick to accessing such information accurately is to understand the nature of our own perception and how if functions.  And then how to best utilize it to obtain information that is as accurate as possible.

In that regard I would say that absolutely everything we perceive comes to our conscious awareness in symbolic form to some extent.  People without much experience tend to believe that accessing information via nonphysical means is like reading a book or watching a movie.  With experience we learn what it is really like and the limitations this places upon precision and accuracy.  With practice these factors improve, precision and accuracy improve, but there is always the symbolic factor that must be taken into account.  Understanding the concepts of the Perceiver and Interpreter, components of our consciousness, can help to make this more understandable.

Even if utilizing nonphysical perception yielded results as good as seeing a map that shows the location of a treasure, there is still the problem of translating the map to physical reality landmarks. 

I am certain these techniques have been used by some folks to find lost people, Joe McMoneagle's remote viewing has demonstrated this numerous times.  It appears to be a matter of practice and translation information perceived symbolically into physical world locations.

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Reply #3 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 11:21am
 
Greetings, Bruce!

Thank you very much for the explanation. I think your Workshops are VERY useful for acquiring absolutely new skills. I've never heard about this method before, though I'm not new to psychology and metaphysics. I've learned a lot of new things from them. And your sense of humor is great.
So, pretending... If I wished to come in contact with a lost person like you with your Grandpa (you said it's a fiction story, but a good example of how it works) with the only difference this person is physically alive, so what should my actions be? Just the same, or there are some particularities? Also, when a person is physically alive, and he hasn't got telepathic capabilities, how we can contact? By, the way, so called "gone" people are all telepaths or I misunderstand? Maybe it's just reading the information from some area ("grey area"), not a contact with a person being rescued or searched?
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Reply #4 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 7:12pm
 
Bruce Moen wrote on Aug 5th, 2009 at 4:20am:
The technique I teach can be used to access information within any reality, physical, nonphysical, etc.  The trick to accessing such information accurately is to understand the nature of our own perception and how if functions.  And then how to best utilize it to obtain information that is as accurate as possible.

In that regard I would say that absolutely everything we perceive comes to our conscious awareness in symbolic form to some extent.  People without much experience tend to believe that accessing information via nonphysical means is like reading a book or watching a movie.  With experience we learn what it is really like and the limitations this places upon precision and accuracy.  With practice these factors improve, precision and accuracy improve, but there is always the symbolic factor that must be taken into account.  Understanding the concepts of the Perceiver and Interpreter, components of our consciousness, can help to make this more understandable.

Even if utilizing nonphysical perception yielded results as good as seeing a map that shows the location of a treasure, there is still the problem of translating the map to physical reality landmarks. 

I am certain these techniques have been used by some folks to find lost people, Joe McMoneagle's remote viewing has demonstrated this numerous times.  It appears to be a matter of practice and translation information perceived symbolically into physical world locations.

Bruce


Hi Bruce,

What about Madie McCaine the whole world searched for her, including every so called psychic and clairvoyant.

I also tried to locate her and for what it is worth I got the impression she was taken to Australia, but most likely she has passed over like the Lindenburg baby

(spelling of names wrong I think)

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Reply #5 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 7:36pm
 
Hi Alan,

How did you try to locate her? By pumping imagination - using the method of Bruce?
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Reply #6 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 8:04pm
 
Is Joe McMoneagle really one of the best in clairvoyance, or so-so in fact? He worked for the US Army, so must be a really powerful psychic. Also he worked in the Monroe Institute, so perhaps you're familiar with him.
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Reply #7 - Aug 5th, 2009 at 8:10pm
 
I'd say the imagination-method to obtain informations from a physically alive person is the same as it is with passed over persons. You imagine to have a conversation with the target person. You could think of other scenarios, for example you could imagine you have placed sensitive microphones near the person's mind  Huh so that you could hear what this person is thinking, if this makes sense to you.

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Reply #8 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 11:48am
 
Premierre.operator wrote on Aug 4th, 2009 at 6:40pm:
Also. Why aren't all the treasures, hidden by bank robbers already found?  Smiley


I believe in the saying that everything happens for a reason.  I think when it comes to finding things (objects, people, or information), you have to either really want to find it, it is drawing you to it, or you were guided there. 

In studying my own psychic experiences, I definitely agree with Bruce that the factors of how we perceive and interpret information play the biggest role in our experience.  I would add to that, as I've recently discovered, that our subsequent actions following perceived and interpreted information plays just as big a role.  If you get information and then ignore it, it's like not having gotten it at all.  And, if you get information and continue to stay in focus of it without taking your focus off course, then it is possible to be in a continual stream of reception of more information along that thread.   

I don't know why some things or people are not found.  It's so sad when it's a missing person. 

My ex always said "If you are really psychic, why can't you get the winning lotto numbers?" Or he'd ask me why I couldn't have known about and prevented some mishap.  I told him I just get what I get and I can't get everything.  I told him I either didn't want to know them bad enough or that it wasn't meant to be.  Those weren't good enough answers for him, and so he never counted all the things I happened to perceive correctly.  He only looked at what I couldn't do, and he let that determine his belief that I couldn't, then, be truely psychic at all. 
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Reply #9 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 2:07pm
 
Many thanks to all, who replied!

But I still don't uderstand one thing. WHAT is conversation with a physically alive (lost) person. What's it for him? How he perceives it? Maybe he isn't  a psychic at all, so how he speaks to me? What he sees, what he feels?
Or it's not a conversation AT ALL? But just gathering information about the person, being perceived in the form of conversation? But if so, then retrievals would be impossible. It's a true contact, am I right? (though I also don't understand how he sees me, if I don't project myself out of body). So, the question is, how a physically alive person may perceive us, if we use the Bruce's method of imagination (pretending)?
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Reply #10 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 3:38pm
 
Greetings,

Most still-alive people have minds that are so busy that they will not hear you. But if they are calm and quiet, they may hear you as though you were their own thoughts, or perhaps even as a telephone conversation. My childhood friend and I could establish such a clear connection.

You'll find everyone is connected, but we have to concentrate our intent and attention to make contact with another person. Then the more often we connect, the stronger and clearer the connection is. Alive person to alive person is mental telepathy, I assume.

This all is not a matter of willpower but of PUL.  We cannot force our attentions on anyone. The resonance of energy that conveys these ideas to another person is PUL.
PUL is also the reason we cannot go around finding hidden treasures; self-serving ideas cannot be sent by PUL  -- which is predominantly kindness and consideration for others.

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Reply #11 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 8:16pm
 
Hi Betson,

So, pretending the conversation with a person, and at last he'll hear something, you suppose? And reply? I mean the lost person. It's kind of a rescue mission.
Well, is the method of Bruce so powerful, that can teach one telepathy in some five days, his Workshops last?

What's PUL? Pure Unconditional Love?

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Reply #12 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 10:21pm
 
Alan, With me I got that she had died fairly quick after her abduction. I got that she was in a place that was moist and enclosed like an old elevator shaft or in an area under a bridge, inside of a construction or building area from when the bridge was built. The door was closed up and perhaps locked. There was a small window way up on the wall. Dirt floor, or very dirty and uneven. I think dirt or with just cement poured over the uneven area. She just wanted to go home to her mommy, and didn't understand what happened or why she had been hurt. Shes fine and wasn't stuck for long after she was killed. Far to innocent of a soul to be entrapped anywhere. As for Joe or anyone else finding her...I think she was dead already before all the media coverage. Finding a body is far different that finding an alive person. I hope they find her body so her mom can rest her mind. I don't believe Joe is in the business of looking for bodies. But I do know that he has found a number of alive people here and in Japan. He has tracked using remote viewing and gotten himself into trouble by doing so. Think about it. If you "viewed" where her body was and went to the police,..what do you think they would think? Even when you told then the you remote viewed where she was, do you really think they would believe you? They would slap the cuffs on you so fast your head would spin. Just ask Joe. Its happened to him. You can Google him up.  This also sound cold, but hes in the business also. He does charge a fee, I believe. But you know, you cant find everyone. Not all remote viewing works all of the time. Sometime it dosent work at all or is way off. How many people go missing every day? Far more that we hate to admit to ourselves.
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Reply #13 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 8:42am
 
Dear Premierre,

I regret your loss, sir.

I used Bruce's book and the breakthrough was almost immediate. Some people like others to be around so they can hear their successes, like in Bruce's workshops. I don't know of any guarantees for a time for results because so many factors are involved.

Pretend is really "pretend."  Smiley Because it is actually so much more than pretending, but that's as close as our language comes to the process.  You are putting yourself into a situation (that you imagine) and then visualizing the situation you want. You could imagine your lost person being joyfylly reunited with you and other loved ones.

Rather than wait to attend a workshop or to get guarantees, why not start pretending now that you can talk to this person?! If they cannot tell you where they are, you can ask them to describe their surroundings. Listen and kindly encourage them to talk with you.

Have you visited websites that show images of results of Joe McMonegal's (Sp--sorry) work? It takes abit to get used to how to interpret  remote viewing images.

Yes, PUL is pure unconditional love. Fear is its opposite or lack.

Betson

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Reply #14 - Aug 7th, 2009 at 1:06pm
 
Hi Hawkeye,
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I hope they find her body so her mom can rest her mind.


In my oppinion and in my apprehenson of this damned World, where no laws do exist, except of what mostly corrupt to the bone humans invent for themselves and others, her Mom can rest her mind only if they find her daughter's ALIVE body.
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