Hi Bruce-

Since it's been a while since your books were published, I'm wondering if you've had any further insights regarding these 2 subjects:

Probes.  You had said that we humans are probes sent by our disks to gather information about the earth. 

Curls.  In one of your books you saw what you described as "curls", meaning new souls, being created.  Did you take this as meaning that each of us now living did not have a previous (or simultaneous) existence elsewhere?

And following that thought, much is written about the afterlife.  But very little is written about what came before our physical birth.  Any insight on that?

Thanks
R

This is a fascinating thread.  Bruce, I'd like to ask if one might consider focus 27 a more advanced belief system territory for humans not quite ready to leave the humanoid type of existence?  Many spiritual people from various eastern religions believe that as we progress spiritually we must shed our skin (so to speak) and the attachments that go with separation from God/Love.  Yet focus 27, by description seems to be an indulgence in some of these attachments (creating anything we want by thinking of it; speaking with any figure from history, exploring past lives), rather than a letting-go of the need for our separation and tie to worldly things.

I have recently felt, on a deep level, that Focus 27 may be a more advanced belief system territory for loving people who aren't ready to give up yet on physical existence or its attachments.  However, I think the inevitible spiritual progression is to do just that.  Unlike nihilists, I don't think the giving up of attachments means the loss of self, rather from what I can deduce it is a state of clarity of perception and love where we think in a different way. 

What are your thoughts on this?

Matthew

Matthew,

From a certain perspective I could agree with Focus 27 being a sort of advanced Belief System Territory.  Advanced in the sense that the inhabitants have available within F27 the resources from which to learn and grow out and  beyond of their beliefs.

Many arrive in F27 still holding the belief that they require a humanoid body in order to exist.  Many continue to believe in the need to eat solid food, drink liquids, walk instead of fly, sleep, etc.  F27 appears to be a place where these beliefs are supported by the environment.  It  also appears to support changes in one's beliefs as we learn more about who and what we really are.

Realization by F27 inhabitants that a humanoid body is not necessary for continued existence can lead to one's realization that we have a choice of forms, or lack of forms.  Realizing that food, water, sleep, atc are not necessary can lead to existence in which we have not need for them.  Realizing that movement from point A to point B can occur in ways other than walking can lead to one's ability to "travel" by other means.

All of these things can be thought of as "shedding the body."  As for indulgence in our various desires being supported there I see that as a way of "getting off the wheel of desire."  If I can have any sports car in any color, horsepower, size, shape etc. at some point having them is going to become ratner boring.  At the point where I become bored with having any such car I desire that desire sort of runs out of gas.  The best way I know of to removed a desire for something, like a favorite kind of candy is to eat that candy so much that you can't stand to eat another one.  Some desires are weak and boredom comes quickly, some are strong and indulgence will last longer.  Oh well, we only have all of eternity to deal with them so at least there is plenty of time available.

Giving up attachments can be seen as a loss of self, I suppose, if we think of it as losing the part of self that had the attachment.  And if that part of self came into being as the result of taking on some erroneous beliefs, like "I am a human physucal body" giving up my attachment to the part of self holding that belief has the potential for that part of self to cease its existence (that part of self holding that erroneous belief).  And in the exchange perhaps I become more aware of who and what I really am.  I think that is a good thing.  Loss of beliefs I hold that are false certainly carries the potential for a "state of clarity of perception and love where we can think in a different way" as you put it.

Carried to its extreme, this loss of attachment to false beliefs about the nature of my being might just lead to real knowledge and understanding of who and what I really am.   I see F27 as a sort of advanced training ground for those of us who have come to believe that we are human beings.  The potential I see for this training ground is help us understand that "human" is just a form we have taken on for whatever purposes we made that choice.  And as Rebecca use to say, we are always free to choose againg.

Yeah, interesting thread.

Bruce

Planetaziemia,

Monroe defined the areas of consciousness, like Focus 23, 24,25,26 and 27, based upon the shared characteristics of the people he found inhabiting those areas.  The "certain perspective" I referred to in my  reply to Matthew is in viewing the inhabitants of Focus 27 as people who believe themselves to be human beings.  This belief is shared by most if not all inhabitants of Focus 27.  But, with further exploration by them beyond Focus 27 they may discover that being human was only a belief system they took on and that a human being is not truly "what we really are."

I agree it may be stretching things a bit, but based on the criteria Monroe used to label the various areas of human consciousness, I can view Focus 27 as a sort of Advanced Belief System Territory.  One in which the shared belief in being human can serve as a way of being stuck within a limiting belief system just as surely as those in Focus 23 thru 26.

If being human was the only form of consciousness to exist within I could agree that Focus 27 could in no way, not from any perspective, be thought of as any kind of Belief System Territory.  But, there are many, many other forms of consciousness to chose from.   And to discover more about who and what we really are it is necessary to move past the belief in being human.

Bruce

And slowly we are becoming more prepaired for it. F 27 should be a fairly good area to be in for the many but I believe it important for us to remain a fluid as possible so that we can further assist on moving others past that point as well. The loss of the earthly experience could entrap many in 27, being its attributes potentially being so similar to our living here. Being ready to help them in their transition to 27 and then in the end helping, where possible, to keep them moving beyond 27, is where we will end up focusing our efforts. Fluidity. Being stuck in 27 is no better than being stuck in 26 or 25. Its still stuck.