Hi,

(Cleve Backster is that fellow who has spent about 50 years so far  recording the responses of plants and other living cells with EEGs, EKGs, lie detectors, etc. Now he works more with live cell scrapings similiar to those collected for DNA research and also with bacteria he gets from yogurt, etc.)

After the initial extreme reaction of living cells to danger or annihilation, they set up a rather steady humming vibratory pattern. Cleve Backster interprets this (and I've simplified it to keep it brief) to the cells' warning others of danger and then all of them 'fainting.' 
They don't flat-line but their vibration is smaller.

If cells faint and if we faint / click out readily at signs of danger, why don't more life forms use this technique?
OK, never mind, I see--they'd get eaten or killed possibly.
So I'll change my question:
In our current culture fainting is sort of a joke.
Often it's made fun of.
Do you think fainting has more value than we today allow it?

Your ideas on this interest me because I asked Guidance why I was attacked once and what I was to learn from it and they said  'you were expected to faint.'  ??

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I got the Backster info for this from his book "Primary Perception" 2006 White Rose Millenium Press, Anza CA.

(I suspect he calls his work Perception rather than Consciousness bcause consciousness studies are so extensive now that a researcher in it would probably have to be well-read in that field to be considered by others. Backster also calls his work biocommunication and says it goes where electro-magnetism cannot, which is also a more recent claim of the newly determined energies in physics. )

Hi Remco

Yes, attacked in the physical by physical cruel people.

You were just concerned about negative spirits while OB?
I've never met any negative spirits in 'the afterlife' that couldn't be disengaged by emanating PUL. Are you familiar with that technique? Ididn't know about it when I was physically attacked so I don't know if it would have had an effect on them.

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Hi

That doesn't quite apply.
Lets talk about something else.

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Hi

I put the attack part in because I wanted to show I was serious about  what fainting could be, so the topic wouldn't be considered a joke.

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Hi
thank you, Spooky.

You said: There would be a similarity if it could be proven
that these cells in that state are not reacting to external
stimulation anymore.

Backster has the polygraph recording tapes that show the vibration levels. These read-out tapes are shown in the book I'm reading. The levels do change and go into a low-level rate that doesn't change for incidental stimulation.  Their first activity before his experiment as shown by the tape does show many incidental variations.
Since we have no other word for such a low-level of activity, can't we use the analogy of fainting ?

And to call fainting a negative term as you did is exactly the point of view I am contesting---
Should we think of it as a negative process if it's part of the 'universal order of things'?   What is gained during a trauma by struggling to stay conscious?   Perhaps when a trauma becomes inevitable we are better off fainting/clicking-out?

Here are some OB implications:

Many brave souls click out during OBs and then give up on OBing because they think they're not getting anywher. If they respected the click-out process they might return to OBing dispite that disappointment and go on to have the miraculous contacts that make the afterlife realm so wondrous.

Many brave souls fight the click-out and then face negative spirits that come clothed as the most hideous frightful 'things' that they personally can imagine. If they respected the click out they could let it hapen and go on with the explorations. 

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