recoverer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 4:10pm:Related to what Justin wrote, I used to have out of body experiences with all the effects. Now that my vibrational rate has increased, I no longer have such experiences. Sometimes I'll have the experience of floating over some location while fully conscious, as if I'm using my mental body. OBEs happen only during a lucid dream, I don't experience the efffects, and instead become conscious of how I am dreaming and perhaps go flying somewhere.
I figure the main thing astral projection with all the effects does is let you know that there is something beyond this physical World. It is also fun. Nevertheless, I believe it is best to focus on spiritual growth, let go of whatever prevents you from living according to love: old hurts, anger issues, fears, prejudices, judgments, limited ideas about love, etc.
Once astral projection with all the effects helps you believe that you have other levels of beings, it becomes unnecessary for other experiences to have such effects in order to know that they are valid. Some people learn about this fact without experiencing astral projection with all the effects.
Most of my non-physical experiences have served the purpose of spiritual instruction and often shouldn't be interpreted to be an actual experience. For example, I experienced a mock alien abduction during an OBE. It came to an end when I told the alien I choose God, love and goodness, and there is nothing you can do about it (I can't remember the exact words). The experience served the purpose of letting me know that an unfriendly alien can't effect me against my will. Some people might have a similar experience and believe that they were actually abducted. Not to say that abductions never happen. I don't know. I would think that nobody can have their free will interfered with, unless they allow it to be interferred with. Through various spiritual means this point has been made to me.
Excellent points Albert. This concept can get broadened even more. I believe as a person grows in love and becomes more balanced and intune, eventually they start to develop what i call semi-automatic and pure intuition.
This kind of intuition often requires very little outer and physically oriented kinds of perception like experiences, like visuals/images, sound/words, etc., but seems to involve more of deep knowingness and pure feelings/thoughts.
In my experience and in tuning into others, this kind of "psychism" is still yet rather rare, ones Pineal gland must be quite active, and the Pituitary gland starting to become spiritually active for this experience to become the norm rather than the exception. This also relates somewhat to telepathy.
Also, to experience this any tendencies towards doubt have to be transcended. Most require some other "aids" like sudden visuals or what not, in order to trust and believe they just got real guidance. Others, like RAM in his early days needed classic OOBE's.
It's sort of a progression, and people can and often do waver back and forth between different experiences and expressions. I do, at least. Occasionally if i'm not quite getting (understanding) something from highest guidance on that pure intuition level (which is "where" & how they function), or doubting the info for whatever silly human reason, I will either get a visual or seemingly hear a seeming word or have a dream later re: the same topic, or a combo of any one or more of those.
All those years of really wanting to go, when not being able to go OOB was pretty silly, looking back at self now.