In the last five years, my mother, grandmother, and uncle have passed. Three months ago my mother-in-law died from a sudden stroke and now it looks like my father-in-law will pass soon as well.

I can not seem to get the techniques Bruce describes in his books to work or at least work for me. I'm in some serious need of some personal proof of what does or does not happen after physical death.

I'm looking for someone who is experienced in retrievals with a good track record who can help me out with an experiment.

I'd like to try parterned exploration which would accomplish a few things. One, if the person helping me can reach me in a sleeping state to do this, it'll be a big part of the "proof" I need so I can continue exploring this realm of possibility. Second, it would help me start down the path of my own retrievals.

Here's the idea. If it works this way, we can determine a specific night or a range of days to try this. You would have to do the initial work to contact me while I'm sleeping. If contact is made, I'd like you to pass along to me three pieces of information you've selected:

• An animal you've selected
• A color you've chosen
• and an image of your choice

If we're successful, I'll ask you to supply those things via email to verify the information I think I've received from you. After that, I'd like to learn as much as possible about retrievals and how to do them from you.

If anyone's interested, please send me a private message or email me at the address on my profile.

Thanks for your help,
Jeff

Hi Jeff,

I'm up for experimentation and am always looking for practice and techniques myself, but I'm not highly experienced.  I'm not coming from the same point of view as needing proof or looking for specific loved ones.  I just want more experience.  

Although I'm not one of the experienced ones here on the board, I am very impressed and pleased with the past experiences I've had so far.  I just desire to get a lot more expeirence under my belt, and now that I have made certain changes in my life, I do plan on giving a lot more focus to that desire.  

Have you had anyone help you yet, or had any experiences yet now that you've made the determination to do so?  I find that sometimes just by wanting something bad enough, we tend to pull those things into our lives immediately.  I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for.  

It sounds like you want to work in the OBE state.  About remembering your experiences--I do believe we're all already "out there" having spirit journeys and OBEs, we just don't easily recall them.  You definitely have the right idea in assuming it is easiest to work during your sleep cycles.  This is because you're already in altered states then.  No matter what kind of sleep habits you have, try this:  While preparing to go to sleep, don't think of anything else but desiring to notice the act of falling asleep.  Also, because you are a man (wink) you have to make the effort to pay attention.  Men seem to be able to hit the pillow and be sleeping within seconds, am I right??  If you think it will mess up your sleep cycle and you won't get enough sleep, try it while going to bed earlier than normal or at a time you know you can sleep in the next morning.  After a few days of practice, you will have trained your mind and it will become easier to recognize when sleep begins, and then you can consciously enter it.  That mind-awake/body-asleep stage is a fun thing to experiment with.    

My point in suggesting this is so that you set your mind to focus on what you desire.  Because your desire is already set in your mind, a logical next step is for you to pay more attention to your conscious awareness during sleep.  If you find you are falling asleep without being able to stay consciously aware, you might try telling yourself while falling asleep something like "I want to become consciously aware of any altered state."  You can word it however you want, but the point is to set it in your mind and expect it to happen.  (In order to learn lucid dreaming, I thought of the words "tonight I will dream with conscious awareness" while falling asleep and within days I was having lucid dreams.  It isn't the wording so much as the determination and intention of your desire).

Also, you don't need to be asleep or be out of body to do retrievals or partnered exploration.  

I'd be interested in hearing any results you get from any of your experiments and practices.  The above technique I gave you is what taught me (many years ago) to have lucid dreams and OBEs and better dream recall.  


Vicky

Jeff;
Thank you for keeping us posted.

Sending love healing energies to you and your family in this time of need. So be it.

PUL; R.

Thanks everyone for your help and support. Once things quiet down, hopefully after this week is over, I can get busy on practicing.

Thomas, I took your advice and ordered Bruce's "Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook" with CDs. I'll start with it once it arrives.

Thanks again,
Jeff

Greetings,

Yes, you are free to ask specific questions of specific people.

Bets

Thanks.

I was wondering specifically if anything ever came of jbb3141's situation.

Hi, I'm new to this site, but i have had shared dreaming experiences and i have passed on messages from the other side many times. I don't have a lot of control yet, but i noticed you posted the three things. I found that interesting because recently someone with  brown hair and eyes has been trying to reach me in my dreams, and well he told me three things that stuck out in my mind.
let me know if any of this seems familiar


1.Salt water crocodiles
2.orange zest
3.Corriander