Quote:One of the things upsetting me, is that Karma law.
To some extent, I wonder if it is fair.
Let me explain:
We are told, that we are here to learn.
That equals, admitting we don't know everything.
When you have to learn, or are ignorant, you make mistakes. That is inevitable.
Then you are told, that, due to these mistakes, you will have to bear "Karma" and correct this.
But it is inevitable you make mistakes, so it is inevitable you bear Karma.
What does this Karma implies?
Possible answers:
- You will have to come back to life eg. if you committed a murder, you will be murdered. If you stole, you will be stolen from. Meaning you will undergo, what you made others undergo.
- OR You will end up in the heaven/hell where you belong, according to the total state of mind you have.
- etc...(I don't know what else could happen)
At what moment in this entire cycle is there somebody to teach you how to break this circle. I think there is no teacher, until you look for one yourself.
So if during 200 000 years you are stuck and unaware that you are here to learn, you keep circling around like a dog trying to bite its own tail.
I don't like this vision, because it implies that people undergo things without knowing why, causing suffering.
Sonia
Why does anything have to be fair?
Is it fair that God allows humans to embark on a journey of self-discovery ending in Godhood?
The price seems so small if you meditate on it, as we are constantly loved, sustained and forgiven, all quite undeservingly, while we stumble along in ignorance along the way.
But we do get more help if and when we ask for it.
Its just that God wants to see that we are paying attention and fully utilizing what we are already given before getting more - "like the Bible says and it still is news". That is a part of karma. God values everything as playing a significant part and wants nothing to go to waste. The Law of Karma doesn't let any action go to waste. And speaking of that, please excuse the puns and the vulgarity in the following, but the concrete mind can be constipated and may need help to acheive more flexibility, to move more freely...
Is it fair that the most enjoyable delicious meal made with thoughtfulness and love later comes out the other end as some foul smelling brown stuff? Is it?
Is it therefore "a mistake" to eat because of ....consequences?
Some aspect of God may utilize this consequence.
Why become upset about this? That could lead to an eating disorder, or other energetic disturbances, which would be a form of hell on Earth according to one's state of mind.
Rather, it seems peacefully enlightening to simply be grateful (and graceful) concerning the necessities at both ends.
When the mother changes the diaper does she hate the child for doing a nasty?
If she loves the child then what's to forgive?
It's all some form of work, all sustained by love -- baby-work, mother-work -- whether consciously or unconsciously.
Likewise it is all some form of opportunity too.
Even a hungry animal somehow knows that if it catches, kills and eats another, that will take care of its hunger - for now. That is the range of karma many animals generally operate within - kill and/or be killed. By the same token, a plant doesn't generate much karma, but neither does it have much opportunity, at least compared to animals and especially to humans. So have a little faith. It doesn't take 200,000 years for a human to begin to intuit certain natural orders and consequences of actions. Just ask the baby 20 years later.
Karma doesn't have to be necessarily bad - it can be good too - something to aspire to.
It is a paradox of life in the physical that we have to utilize the field of ignorance, the finite impermanent as an expedient to realize the Immortal Eternal Truth. And if you say that isn't true I will say you are wrong and be right, because we do progress. That is inevitable too. Every moment it is happening.
We don't have to know everything - just become one with everything. Is that the same thing?
Meanwhile we think we are suffering, but it is Someone else who is having the experience in and through us while we become Who we are.
Even to want to look for that Teacher is the result of karma.
Karma is the process of becoming more and more confluent with that Will/Identity in and through an individual life within the One greater Life.
It is karma that allows and makes possible the physical plane interaction of possibility - the interdependence of differentiated beings and free will - all within ONE LIFE.
A dog only bites its own tail because it doesn't know it is one with it.
It is karma that allows the dog to discover this.
This is no doubt the origin of the saying, "My karma ate my dogma."
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