LaffingRain
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I agree with Deva there's something about writing stuff down that yields up more insight into whatever we are discussing. I guess that's why we interact. ___ I don't follow this line of thought of sexual repression compared to facism, you might want to clarify how sexual repression leads to facism, which leads to being thrown into an oven while still breathing. ____ I agree with your fluent logic on everything else. particularly I see the divine in mankind active, but I had to train my mind to look for the divine in every man by opening up to that possibility, I could be closed down and blocking the divine, to see that. and after all, we have to decide also, to define what divine means. we use names for the Light. God, Atman, Higher Self, the labels are endless and confusing. better to be an agnostic than to be fooled by any other person's definition of what divine is.
While I did for awhile see Hitler as being like a pawn once, and that things just got away from him, I also can see papers in front of him which required his signature before further implementation of further laws to make murder legal. yes, murder was legal then. it was his right to refuse to sign papers. he didn't refuse, and I wonder if he felt coerced to go with the tide? Of course everything cannot be put on him and we have to look at the larger picture that it is death itself that this world is about, even with the god like virtues we can see operating alongside the cruelty and selfishness ideals.
I have one more additional thought to add here to this topic: a teacher told me of this idea. she was quite human as well as virtuous.
I might add, because she did not repress her sexuality, she fell in love with a gay minister, and this expressed in an obe, interpreted by the other minister as a threat to his well being. our church fell apart, although "it was only natural to her." I stood beside her, and I also stood beside the gay minister. I saw nothing wrong going on here, which couldn't be resolved, and didn't take sides. I don't think you really know anything about the path of celibacy as a chosen path, is not the same as sexual repression as related to Victorian ideals. I submit, monogamy, weather in gay relationships, or heterosexual is the wiser course to take. I also vouch for the oldest profession in the world, is needed and should be respected, because men confuse their sex drive with their aggressiveness and they need an outlet. for the average man I speak.
the true celibate has no such build up to release. The love of God, whatever that means to facist or agnostic, or guru, or whatever, takes care of the physical needs of this person. but then, you'd have to be there to understand.personal exploration into our own consciousness and reporting those experiences, here, or anywhere, is what Monroe and Bruce support, for like Deva and myself here, I think I can speak for all of us, that we teach the very thing we need to learn.
by sharing our insights, writing it down. I have great hopes for this century. I call it the shift in consciousness.
a borrowed term, but yet, so what? don't we borrow from everyone while we're growing and becoming?
I was going to report a glimmer Thelma gave me. the lady above. she said dark forces are merely the absence of light. they are let into ELS at certain points of history making. she said the dark seeks the dark, to strengthen the dark. what happens is the dark ends up destroying itself; in the end. this is because, even though the dark knows it cannot increase itself forever, it has it's function, it's job to do regardless, as each dark spark enjoys it's function, as a challenge, and thinks, therefore, what thinks, says "I am." the dark must invent problems and carry the energy forward of an invented problem.
the thing to take comfort in a world of duality..is Light increases faster than darkness. this is my belief, I have support in various places. that's what we're in now, that speed up of Light. if you choose to believe, then you pull the light from the darkness, and say, let there be light. through what you choose to believe. for always there is choice between light or dark thoughts. it is a world of self determination in that sense. Hitler knew about self determination. He was into the black arts. he chose that. he was into being powerful. I do think you can lose your soul to choose darkness.
I spoke of amazing grace because, I believe ideally, that God's love is so powerful, it could even mend the greatest of the dark power driven souls. It is a wish. I know nothing but my own experiences. much of this might be blather. In essence what Thelma taught is that even the dark forces were allowed to bring a higher balance into ELS.
For the good that happened during the Holocaust was that, the Jews were driven from their homeland, they were virtually homeless; after the Holocaust the need for to reestablish their homeland became obvious. this group of people were sacrifices to ELS. and they knew it before they came. they are heroes in that sense. For most of the civilized world we then could measure that man has two sides to his nature: one is power driven, the other is divine. or we could say, there is the self serving ego in us. on the other hand, there is Light in us, which speaks always for allowing and that means, there really is no reason to kill anything, except that the ego would make it's own design, such as "all blue eyed blondes are superior to brown eyed dark haired Jews."
The Jews are exceptionally intelligent people, and on the other hand, so can the gentile be brilliant the same. it has nothing to do with races as pertaining to the individual body and it's current DNA. As far as skin color goes, a survey was taken of who does the most serial killing. the white race does. so in a sense what Thelma said is somewhat true. the dark forces were here to unplug the negativity so we could move on into greater areas of positive action. but it doesn't mean God had anything to do with killing. or wars. it means our egos created this world in joint contract.
so we could experience how we are able to make a world. it has many wonders in it, and beauty, and love, as well the other side of ugliness cannot be ignored or pushed away either. by focusing the mind on the power of creativity, together, we can help bring in the Light.
but you cannot focus in two directions at once. you must either focus on the Light, or focus on the dark. you cannot serve two masters.
sorry to take up all of cyberspace with words. I close reading from Letter from a Dead Man: Examine yourselves dear children. Look for your faults. If you can find no fault in yourself, hang your harp on the nearest willow, for your progress is at an end. man progresses through recognizing his faults, through transmuting them and transcending them. If you are perfect, this world is no place for you. Beyond good and evil is where we are headed for eventually. Judge not, that ye be not judged. but do not flirt with the devil to prove that you judge him not. Yes, all men are your brothers, even bad men. Attend to your own affairs and leave the issue with God. This much to you, dera children of the world, from my vantage place above your passions.
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