I think if this is possible, it would spare a lot of suffering for many people.

Somehow, I hope it is possible. We are sometimes so limited here, in time, money, understanding and experience of PUL.

I am somehow interested to know what the members of this site believe.

Sonia

I believe there are an infinite number of universes with their own unique characteristics and laws which allow one to explore an infinite number of possibilities.  So my answer is YES!

Greetings,

     Since we're here, there must be a reason. The whole process of where to incarnate or visit must be very efficient, else there'd be universal chaos! 

The material world of Earth is very distracting-- so many things to see and do with the materials at hand. We do good/well to keep Pure Unconditional Love as an essential part of life here !

Betson

I hope since you addressed your post to Bruce that he will respond himself Sonia, but since you did ask me privately to talk to you, in that you openly asked for guidance from me, I consider that a courageous act of trust on your part, as well, a honor bestowed upon me, that u might think I have something I can give you.
so even though I've been long winded here today, I want to offer my usual axion, be of good cheer, for things can't get any worse so the only way to go from here is up.

you said: But hey, maybe life is like some events we go through, afterwards you laugh with it and think it looked big and grave at the moment, but was in fact silly.
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In a sense I can see the wisdom of your statement. to quote Alan Watts, a philosopher, perhaps agnostic, he said after your life is lived, it's all finished, you float home in this other dimension and you return to your disc mates laughing your heads off in the greatest of mirth, to compare notes with them, what went on, etc. what was accomplished, what was left undone, etc. and somehow, being with your mates, the like-minded, your trusted friends and associates brings much greater clarity and grander view in a more unlimited scope.
and this is just an analogy of what a concept is trying to express;
so then you may turn to your group and boisterously say OMYGOD! I REALLY GOT INTO IT THIS TIME! BY JOVE, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL REAL! 
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see, you carry around certain belief systems. certain emotions. some of these beliefs conflict with another belief you have. when you are confused, it is evidence you believe both of those conflicting belief systems, and one of them has to go, or you will suffer conflict.

my basic reason or intention today is just to let you know you are one of us. we are all together. every person who comes here and contributes something is part of the greater whole that we reside in. we will not be able to fix whatever appears to be wrong for you right now. but! you will be read, listened to, respected for wherever you are at, and not judged as less than any of us here.

Don't ever worry about being forced to come back here and suffer again. those type of decisions are beyond our C1 ability and made by the higher self as well those event planners we talk about sometimes.

Now, I don't know how many years you've been here in physical but what happens is you can do a life review right now. Look back over your life and access any good times you ever had. Now add them up. Most of us can find a few pleasant moments we had. these moments are related to PUL experiences.
Then as you go along studying the nature of the universe, the nature of your internal workings which we call a life, you learn to be more creative of PUL circumstances, and gradually experience a growing sense of your personal power to create your life as you would have it be by keeping your focus on what "could be".

u should stop immediately this comparison thing you are doing to any other individual upon this planet. you are trapped into a this one is more than me, this other one is less than me.

Just go unto your God just as you are. it's a come as you are party. It's not necessary to please others, but it's necessary not to injure anybody else while you are getting your own knowings. so be kind is the password, but be truthful. you are who you are, not everybody is going to love you, so if they don't, I figure they are really missing out!

mainly because you are courageous. thats a fine quality. meaning you can ask for help, and that's all any of us are doing. asking for love, asking for help. ask and you will receive. I advocate developing the art of patience cultivation within linear time.

when u get home, then they will say, ok, what r u holding? cough it up! you will hold out to them that you developed faith through being patient. think that is not good enough?

It is well worth cultivating patience, for then all things will come to you that u desire.

btw, money should not be a priority, as u know, you can't take it with you, your disc mates would just laff at you if you tried to hand them some paper greenbacks.

well dearie, I hope u are a little cheered up, just to know you are not alone, perhaps you get the point, we all have sufferings which we don't post about, as well perhaps some inner accomplishments we find difficult to share, but would like to. words are insufficient communications device.

you have taken the first step of a journey, each day when u awake, is but one more step; if we can learn to be grateful for what has not been received quite yet within manifested ELS, we then begin to produce the desired fruits of the soul passing here.

now, don't get me started about how separated I felt from my family and others or you will be quite bored I'm sure, as I can rant on that for an eternity. people want to know what you like about them.

tell us how much u love us. I'm waiting..heheheheh
we accept you. you take care of yourself and do something nice for yourself when u get down in the dumps.
what I do if I'm not feeling quite as good as say, another day, I try to do something I have never done before.
right away this tends to free up your adventurous side and make you bust out of the conflicting thoughts we sometimes experience.

love to you, hang in, we hear you.

Sonia,

Thank you for sharing in such detail what for many would be extremely difficult to share with anyone.

I deeply understand what you mean when you say you believe you have no experience of PUL to utilize as a reference point.  Before I was in my early to mid 40s I would have said exactly the same thing.  Your and my life experiences that led us each to seem to lack the ability to experience PUL may be different, but for both of us the result was the same.

My experience of the feeling of loneliness, and indeed punishment, by those around me when I "did something wrong" and was left alone is I believe similar to yours. I remember what it feels like to only have my own thoughts as my only companions. I was an incredibly skinny, tall, weird looking geek long before the word geek was used to describe such people. It was not fun.

One suggestion, if you have ever experienced what you would describe as the feeling of great appreciation for beauty in any form, particularly for the beauty of nature, that feeling is so similar to the feeling of PUL that it will suffice for any of the exercises that I recommend in my teaching. But, it does not have to be the beauty of nature. It can be admiring a beautiful face, like the one I see in your photo.  Gazing at a rainbow. That feeling you sometimes get watching a beautiful sunset.

It wasn't until my mid-40s I had my first experience of the feeling of pure unconditional love. And that came sometime after I started a conscious effort to identify the parts of myself I myself could not stand to be, and one by one accepting them as legitimate parts of myself deserving of my unconditional acceptance. It is an old worn out adage that we must learn to love ourselves before we are capable of loving and being loved by others. In my mid-40s I discovered there is a reason that is an old adage, that is because it is true.

In learning to recognize the feeling of PUL we all begin where ever we are regarding that capability.  This was true of me in my past and it may be true of you and your present.  A definition of forgiveness, for self perhaps in this regard, might be "I completely give up any hope of changing my past experience.  And so I forgive myself for this lack."

From your photo you appear to be much younger than me. It took me over 40 years to have that first, completely blown away level of the experience experience. I think there is still time left for that experience to happen in your life.

Maybe it would be helpful for you to know that it doesn't have to come all at once. The experience of any feeling of being loved or of loving, felt at any level from just barely aware of it to completely blown away, IS the experience of feeling PUL. That it is experienced in a way that could be described as barely aware of it is of no consequence, and it does not matter, as far as learning about PUL goes. I really want to stress this, Sonia, it IS an experience of feeling of PUL. It can be the feeling you get from a really memorable first kiss. It can be the feeling you get from petting your cat. If it is the smallest crumb of the feeling of love is enough to learn more about experiencing and expressing PUL.

Bruce

Alan,

Alan McDougall wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 7:12am:


I completely disagree with both of your statements. In my opinion there are no simple answers to these questions.

I know of cases from my own experience of graduates who have never and will never experience physical lifetimes.

I know from my own experience cases in which angels incarnate within physical reality.

Of course these are my own beliefs and opinions based on my experience. I am willing to leave open the possibility that I am completely wrong, that is why I state that this is my belief, my opinion, it is not a verifiable fact that anyone should ever consider taking on as their own belief.

Bruce

Bruce Moen wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 6:28am:


Actually, I am 30.

I once had a vision when I was 15 in which I was lying in a deep coma in a hospital bed. I did not look that old in that bed (less than 50, I guess). During that vision, I was sucked in a black tunnel and could see 360 degrees all around. I never felt this much peace.

When I woke up that morning, I wondered if it was a dream or some kind of premonition and I sense know it is unimportant.

I think one never knows for sure when his time has come. I think, that I feel if I would die now, I haven't learned all that I could to be the way I want.

To summarize: If I had to die now, I think I am not in the kind of state of mind I want to be. I think I am not in the right state of mind.

In the story of Max's Hell, Max got trapped because of the way he has chosen to think. What about the beliefs you do not choose, but are pressed upon you by education, society, etc. These beliefs get you trapped as well.

I think if you were raised without love and believe this is normal, OR if you fail to know how to be loving, I think you might get trapped as well in an area where people are not loving as well. It must be like some kind of vicious circle, if that is so.

I think it matters to me to know.

Since I don't know the order of the afterlife, I think the only thing I am holding on too, is my will and faith to do my best to reach PUL. What more can I do?

Sonia

Sonia:

I believe you are worrying when there is no need to worry. The very fact of how you are so interested in PUL shows what you are truly like inside.  Years ago I had what I refer to as a night in heaven experience, even though I was somewhere between an atheist and agnostic at the time. I experienced an afterlife realm that contained a wonderful level of happiness. The state I experienced didn't reflect my state of mind at the time. Up until this point of my current life, I had never experienced such happiness and such an expansive way of understanding. I didn't believe that such a realm of existance existed. Yet I was able to have the experience I had despite my beliefs. Why? Because I was basically a good hearted person.

It sure seems to me that you're a good hearted person. Nothing like Max.  Therefore, when it is your time to join the spirit World you should be able to move on to a nice level of existence without any problems. Your coma experience indicates this.

Our awareness and energy levels are purposely limited when we incarnate into a body.  This enables us to learn the lessons we come here to learn. According to physiologist Candace Pert, our bodies have over 200 different kinds of molecules of emotion (polypeptides). This causes us to feel various things other than PUL, according to how our thought patterns activate these molecules. We become free of them when we leave our bodies during the time of death. Many people who have had near death experiences speak of how freeing it was to be free of their body. As long as we don't get caught up in a negative belief system or negative way of being, we should be okay. Going by your posts, it doesn't seem to me that you are caught up in a negative way of being or belief system.

It is true that it can be hard to find people we can openly share love with. This is okay, because we can connect to love inwardly. When we do so we make an energetic connection to the many beings who live according to love.

I know it can be difficult to tune into love at times. I've had many meditations where I had lots of energy running through me but I didn't feel a lot of love. This caused me to become frustrated.  Once I started to overcome the thought patterns that limited me, I became more able to experience love during meditation and during other time periods. One of the main things I had to overcome was fear.

Here are a couple of meditations that helped me. I'd do them either while in sitting meditation or as I lay in bed awake:

1. I'd imagine myself share love with a lady I'm interested in without touching her. The purpose of this meditation is to see that sharing love isn't dependent on physical contact. Once I'd open up to love during such a meditation, I'd forget about the fantasy part and would go into love as much as possible.
2. I'd think about the various people I know, and consider how willing I am to love them, regardless of what they are like. As best as I could, I'd tune into how each of them is a divine Soul that don't need to meet somebody's litmus test of how they should be.