Greetings Sonia,

What we do when meeting disembodied spirits is offer them PUL. (PUL is pure unconditional love.) That is usually what they want.

Even if they hadn't thought of it lately, all life seeks love, so giving it to them either gentles them or  it confuses them so much that they just dissappear.
PUL is like a radiance, like a mother gives her baby, or a child with a drowsy kitten.  It's acknowledging the good and innocence in others.
PUL is discussed more in Bruce Moen's books.

I've offerred PUL when I didn't think it would have an effect and it did. I've never questionned an onery spirit at length though, even when they're gentled by PUL. 

Life has will power. Controlling another being's will power isn't fully possible, IMO.
I wish I could offer you Moen's Handbook of the Afterlife so you knew where I was coming from because I can see I'm not answerring your question.

Bets

Sonia:

This is an issue I've really had to deal with because I considered it crucial to make contact with my higher self and spirit guidance, yet I also had a fear of being misled.

This site sort of has a connection to Robert Monroe since Bruce Moen has a history with the Monroe Institute. In his third book  "Ultimate Journey" Robert was told by his guidance that their are unfriendly influences and they know how to mislead people.

Therefore, when one reaches out for spirit guidance it is important to have good intentions for doing so and to make certain that one reaches out to higher level beings. When one makes contact one should always feel free to make certain that the beings they are in contact with do represent the light and have their better wishes in mind.  

In my case it took some time to get rid of doubts even though I had really good reasons for not having doubts. After a while, if every message and experience you receive from guidance serves a positive purpose and helps you grow, and guidance is able to present itself in a manner that feels like light and love, you're probably doing okay.

There is also the issue of faith. If a person reaches out to light beings with good intentions wouldn't light beings respond?

There is also the issue of who we have a natural spirit connection to. I would think we would have a natural connection to beings such as our higher self, unless we do something to ruin this connection.

If you are able to communicate with spirits you might run into all kinds of spirits just as you run into all kinds of people.  One time I had a dream which told me that if you don't do what they (unfriendly spirits) do, don't go where they go, and don't mess with them, unfriendly spirits won't mess with you. In my case I do spirit work that they don't like so occasionally they try to give me a hard time, nothing negative ever results. There might also be random occurences when an unfriendly spirit tries to mess with a person even though a person doesn't do one of the three things spoken of above.  For some of us our light shines more brightly than others, and wandering spirits might pick up on this.

Hello dear,

Thank you all for your answers.
I appreciate every point of view (even misinterpreted, Bets).

I think that PUL is indeed very important to select who you meet.
Also, I believe that your own state of mind is important, as you attract (to some extent) or repulse spirits alike yourself.

I am kind of worried. Here comes a description of WHY i am worried:
--> as I should be aware that I am spiritually not perfect. In some way, I am bound to encounter/attract ghosts alike my own nature and maybe I will not be aware that they are not here for my own good. If I am wrongly influenced, I will act wrong and I might hurt the people I care about (and being mislead I probably won't be aware) while this is against my purpose.

It really worries me. I so much would like to be certain I act with love. In fact, I would like to be completely certain I am (pure unconditional) love.

How can you ever be sure you have reached that goal?
This topic kind of melts together with my other topic "LAWS OF THE SOUL AND..."

I don't really know what to do.

Sonia

This is a topic I have spent a lot of time thinking about, and seem to have to deal with often.

In Matt 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

In First John   4:1,2
 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit,  
but try the spirits whether they
are of God: because many false
prophets are gone out into the
world.
 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of
God: Every spirit that confesseth
that Jesus Christ is come in the
flesh is of God:

If Jesus is pure peace, love, forgiveness, openness, helpfulness, abundance, joy, and freedom, then if the spirit fits these descriptions and its advice is not counter to them then it can be trusted.  Otherwise it may show signs and wonders but you don't need it and should avoid it.


Those who seek to control others may exert hypnotic effects that come to those they are trying to control as spiritual advice, or as their own thought.  You may not be dealing with a spirit at all but with aggressive mental hypnotic suggestions.

Bob Monroe used to say as part of his Intention that he wished to inteact with energies as advanced or more advanced than he was during his Journeys. It works, but you must state the intention consciously as part of the preparatory process.

Likewise, you have a "Reset Button" available as well. If you do not like what you get, push the reset button, and see what comes then, Most often it is a similar situation but a different cast of characters.

And finally, why not ask directly? I would maintain that you already know everything you need to know, and that if you use your powers of discrimination and discernment it will not be a problem.

And all Jeshua told us to do is our best. He did not demand perfection.

Love and Light,

Thomas

tgecks wrote on Jul 14^th, 2008 at 12:04pm:


You're right, he didn't "demand", but i seem to remember him asking us to follow in his ways, and to be like he is, and that is perfection in the flesh. 

  Sometimes we limit ourselves, get into comfort zones, and say this or that is our "best" when it's really not.  Like you have said many times before here, we can be completely like (and One with) him, if we really want to and choose thusly. 

  But, we can't just "believe" ourselves there alone (though positive belief is a very important part of it), it must be totally backed by constant and consistent actions, thoughts, feelings, etc. and our whole being must attune to the Divine.   And, something not often talked about is that if this is to be completed in the flesh (which is the ideal and ultimate goal), then there must be a perfect balance and coordination between the body, the mind, and Spirit aspects.

  Yes, even the body physical must be cleansed, strengthened (though not in the usual sense of the word, like in working out), and balanced.  Even as his was (like the 40 days of fasting in the "wilderness").

Hi Sonia,

I've made alot of mistakes while OB, and yet I'm still here!   Also I believe they were learning experiences, lovingly offerred. I'm still learning, and not nearly as fearful.

Tgecks' reminder of Monroe's intention, stated before any possible experience, is excellent.
An additional protection that I found helpful is to ask, before going OB, for a protective shield--a golden bubble to surround you.

If you met these unfriendly spirits early in your attempts to go OB, it may have been you had not yet 'stretched the blue/silver cord' enough to get higher than earthbound spirits. You won't meet them later, or rarely.

Doing retrievals is a fine way to meet these rascals in a better context. They usually want love and you can take them to the afterlife where their loved ones from previous lives lovingly await them. That settles them down, as well as gets you Helpers who will aid you. Post-retrieval, as the experience settles into your thoughts, you will realize that you have successfully dealt with spirits that in the past had bothered you -- and that's a good feeling!

Please do not let fear or caution  stop you from exploring these amazing realms!

Bets