SHSS:

I've had a number of experiences which showed me that Christ is a significant divine being, but not in a fundamentalist way. There are some NDEs which speak of him in such a loving way, there is no way he can be connected to some of the fear based ideas people have. I found that I had to go through a process of separating fundamentalist concepts from him.

One time I was shown a sequence of visual images. First I was shown a crucifix. I asked why. Then I was shown an image that is easier to describe by stating its meaning. It said, "They killed him (Jesus), they put him on display, they spotted his reputation." I figure his reputation has been spotted in various ways. One way is when they use him as a means of scaring people. I believe he is more about his love your neighbor as yourself message. Next I experienced myself pressing the high "C" note on my piano (not physically). This message meant that Christ represents the highest consciousness level there is.

I know of some other people who have had experiences with Christ, and they certainly aren't fundamentalists. They've found that Christ is a great friend. I figure that Christ set an example so we can all become light beings just as he is.




SHSS wrote on May 15^th, 2008 at 1:02pm:

Thanks so for all the responses. There are so few places such a topic would elicit a serious discussion (I can clear the room in a few minutes with such talk).

I especially appreciate your post, Alysia, about the Focus levels, and Bob's final riddles, too. I think that his roadmap of these levels has helped a great deal, in part by providing a common vocabulary with which to talk about it, and in part as a framework for all of us to flesh out. He used to talk about it like an Expressway, with exits here and there to areas like the BSTs and all the areas Bruce writes about in the books that led everyone here to this board.

I see such areas transcending judgement by condemning gods, and areas in the reaches of Focus 24 which were everything one might expect from the phrase "Burning Stinking Pits of Fire and Hell", too, are being cleared. These lesser versions of Heaven, these prisons of hell, these temples of the flesh--- all of them seem to be thinner and less populated. The beings who remain seem more wary and more aware, easier to approach and more likely to respond, in my experience. Previously I have found these beings very difficult to reach.

It is almost as if "ROAD CLOSED" barriers are across the exits, and everyone is bound for the fields beyond right and wrong and our puny religeons. God is MUCH more than a single version of Him/Her/It/Them. All there is is all there is.

Now, I think what I am calling Focus 27 is an advanced thought system like a recycling center for Earth life that feeds the Merry-Go-Round which is the Earth Time Space Illusion. This is not good or bad, just Earth based. I am more interested in alternatives to the Merry-Go-Round as I said.

Thomas

For me its the whole "banished" part that I have some question about. As you are not "sent" to the hellish realms but exist there by your own design, and only you can correct or learn for your earthly life experience, is banishment the right word. The " if not their memories are erased" suggests that someone or something is holding judgemt over you. When in fact it is yourself who are Judge and juror.
Joe

hi Alan, you usually manage to clarify your words so well..I think maybe that's what we are here for..to clarify ourselves as we all put different meaning to our words than another. thanks.

I basically agree that the afterlife is a cleansing process, yet we do that right here while in the flesh if we've a mind to, most of the people I've known, including my own family have no interest whatever in afterlife conditions and so they stay in their patterns of thought and action. that's another reason why forums like this are popping up everywhere...it appears to me, we are all starting to get a much bigger picture of our unlimited beings.

TG, the focus levels spoken of as expressways is so good an analogy, and I have found this expression also in "Otherwhere" by Kurt Leland who reports he has crossed the bridge of focus 21 and now has none of those barriars to deal with.  Leland comes out of TMI also, have you read his book? It's one of the best descriptions of the focus levels, afterlife, that I've seen. Bruce liked it too. Another study of mine "The Unobstructed Universe," a classic now, has called the expressways as leading to certain points within spacial reference. (it's hard to get a feel for nonphysical space)
Our "Otherwhere" is a type of space which can be contracted or expanded by units of consciousness (us) far out huh? that makes motion fairly immediate to be in another space or point of reference.

Gee whiz TG, so you know how to clear out a room too? ha! well I'm over here trying to make you stay put, so that's a switch. Monroe's riddles, I guess I never thought of them as riddles, but it's true for many, that they can be a riddle. as you say, we are, all explorers are in the act of fleshing out the focus levels. I've a feeling he's still around seeing what he started!

anyone following this sees Monroe's words as a riddle, I have a little encouragement to offer; In TMI I learned of a thing called a rote and began to occassionally experience receiving a rote. it's also been called a thought ball.
U can take one of Monroe's riddles and place it, pretend to place the words on your forehead, paste them there (lol) go on about your business...soon enough, a day, a week, your own time a rote will come sailing in to understand it perfectly. then go onto the next riddle. It is like opening the mind for the rote. it may come in sleep state also, but once you began a practice like this it happens in the day time awareness also.

We will get off the merry-go-round, I don't know about anyone else but I've seen that happen right here time after time, someone step off it, even momentarily is a good thing.  first thing to do..ooouuwee, clear out the hell BSTs. Those of you interested in hells existence or not, it's only a BST. There are NO references to a hell existing and eternal damnation, until Christianity began to preach about one to control the masses..the more that started to believe in hell, the more real it became to them.

a cessation of judgment is very high state of consciousness TG. if you have attained it, you are to be recognized as very accomplished. thank you again for sharing your thoughts. I needed to have my memory refreshed. love, alysia

I've have Kurt Leland's Otherwhere and what he says is quite different than what Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen have found, and quite different than what I found. It is quite different than what many people have found.

He says that before moving to a higher level in the spirit World, some spirits have to inhabit a physical body of a person for a moment so they can release negative emotional energy, while an inhabited person has a moment of anger. He says that this is probably what takes place with people who have multiple personality disorder, bi-polor disorder, and turret syndrome.  I find it incredibly hard to believe that a person who has one of these conditions has them because a spirit occupies this person for a short period of time until he or she has the requisite anger moment that allows negative energy to be released.  Especially mutliple personality disorder. Multiple personality disorder is far too complex for such an explanation. Why would a person with multiple personality disorder hold onto to various personalities for extended periods of time, if just one moment of emotional release is required?

Kurt also wrote that spirits with unreleased emotional energy use the bodies of coma patients and other bodies in a vegitative state to do so.  How does a body in a vegitative state get activated so that a negative emotion can be released?

He also wrote that spirits enter the bodies of people who are asleep so they can release negative energy through their body. My feeling is that unless we are unbalanced in some way, we have a natural protection against a spirit entering our body so easily.  Kurt contradicts himself on this point when he speaks about George Ritchie's NDE. George Ritchie wrote that he saw the spirits of former alcolholics hanging around a bar waiting for a drunk to pass out, so they could use the resulting energetic weakness to jump into such a person and experience this person's intoxicated state. Why would such spirits have to await for such a weakness if as Kurt claims, a spirit can jump into the body of a person anytime it wants to? Kurt claims that George Ritchie was wrong when he said that spirits attach to alcoholics so they can experience intoxicaton. I would think that George Ritchie would have a better understanding of what he was told by Jesus during his NDE, than Kurt would have. Especially since numerous sources of information speak of how the spirits of former alcholics sometimes have the tendency to connect to the energy field of alcoholic people so they can experience an intoxicated state.  Are they all wrong, and Kurt correct?

In addition to the specific situations above, Kurt also wrote that spirits wait around for people to have a moment of anger so they can jump into such a person' body at such a moment and release their negative energy at such a time.

My feeling is that negative energy always releases from us without us having to manifest in some physical manner. This is why people are able to feel bad vibes coming from a person even when a person doesn't express these bad vibes through some sort of body language.  I figure that a spirit who isn't encased within a physical body would have an easier time releasing negative energy than a person who is encased within a physical body.  It is more of a matter of whether we keep creating negative emotional energy by holding on to the thought patterns that cause them to come into being.

Kurt's explaination of what happens after death is quite different than what Rober Monroe and Bruce Moen have explained. He says that after a person dies, a spirit helper moves into this person's grave, and squeezes this person's spirit out of their body sort of like releasing toothpaste from a tube.  NDEs etc state that a spirit has no problem leaving a body after death. Why did Kurt come up with a viewpoint that nobody else has come up with? Why do spirit helpers wait so long before they squeeze a spirit out of a body?  Does a spirit remain in a body while at a morgue?  During the embalming process? During the funeral? Probably not the former, because numerous sources speak about how spirits will attend their own funeral.

Kurt continues that after spirits are scooped out of their bodies, they are brought to a place where they are placed in a centrifuge like device so their negative emotional energy can be released. If this is so, why can't all spirits do so? Why do some have to release their negative emotional energy through the bodily emotional release of a person?

Kurt claims that after such emotional cleansing, spirits are moved to a place where they become depressed because they are unwilling to accept that they are dead.  Clearly this contradicts the typical joyfull crossing over story. Kurt isn't talking about spirits who need retrievels when he speaks of this.  He's speaking of "all" spirits. Also during this phase, according to Kurt, spirits adjust to no time.

After they do so, they are placed in drawers so spirit alchemists can convert their state back to a state of pure consciousness. Supposedly more emotional release takes place during this time period. Why can such emotional release take place without the aid of a physical body, when physical bodies are needed for some spirits during an earlier stage?

Next arrangements are made to reincarnate. No getting stuck, no lower realms, no belief systems, no focus 27, no disk/soul group to rejoin, a completely different way of doing things.

I could write more, but I believe I stated enough.

I didn't write this to be negative. I am simply trying to discuss the matter in an intelligent manner.

Alan:

Regarding Gary Renard's dissapearance of the universe, it claims that each of us will have to reincarnate thousands of times, and this universe is nothing but a big mistake.

My experiences have told me differently. Each of us won't have to incarnate thousands of times. This universe isn't a mistake, it is a part of the divine plan. I figure you see things the same way. I could say "much" more, but sometimes much can be shared by saying little.

Alysia:

I need to clarify that some of what I wrote came from Kurt's book the unanswered questions.

Whatever is true, I believe that all of us will someday find that things are set up better than we realize, and our varying beliefs systems will be something we chuckle at. Perhaps they are a part of the movie.

I'd like to join in on the chat room, but I only have internet access at work, and I won't be coming in to work on Sunday night.