Alysia, regarding your above comments to Alan, if you consider Bruce Moen's viewpoint, some souls do get banished to mindlessness when they are disconnected from a disk because it becomes apparent that they will never move on to the light.
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Bruce also said it was a rare occurrence.
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R said:
This suggests that there is bad, because there are some souls that don't get to the point where they get to experience perfection for all of eternity.
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We are still in 3 dimensional consciousness as a whole. When we begin the 4rth dimensional consciousness (more of us) we can see there is only an experience here; we can see we have extreme examples of deviation from misuse of free will. These are played up in the media for sensational value; however consider that the media would have no news unless it's bad news. that's what I mean about we are still operating from good/bad synthesis.
that something bad happened so something good could happen later, is the way I view my own life, in an overview, thus there is no bad, there is no good, if indeed guidance was operating, this can be seen in the life review, that there is cause and effect eternally, and free will just means we learn to choose rather than be reactive.
there are no more victim mentalities from a higher perspective, as all agreed to be here and participate. PUL begins to operate from a higher consciousness during the shift.
If you look at people as being a degree of that 4rth dimensional consciousness, then you see evolution of the soul as all of us having our placement according to our willingness to work on ourselves, and let grace (spirit) do the rest.
I have a little story to tell. A man was a heavy drinker. He died. Several retrievers came to move him to his afterlife station. He didn't want to go but was instructed he'd probably like it where they took him, perhaps to see loved ones. He finally agreed and the three of them began to rise into the light towards focus 27 most likely. As they rose, the man had another body which tore loose from his soul body and all looked at this other body as it was to stay on the lower astral planes, while the man's true self went with the retrievers; briefly the party followed it to see where it went; it went into a bar, attached itself to a physical man drinking at the bar, and began to imbide of the fumes and "high" of the man in the bar, whispering for him to drink more.
and these are known as negs, or attachments. Most people with an addiction, are not even aware there are such things happening. this is why our criminals will say they heard a voice telling them to do something evil.
this is basically the lower astral which will be speeded up to dissolve these thought forms which have a certain degree of remembrance, of who they were in physical life. This is what they builded up; they sat at a bar drinking, they built up "a false self."
the false self is not eternal, it is not essence, it is not a soul. It is something we created as co-creators and serves no real purpose to be returning to the disc. It's not a fruit of the soul. It's just like a thought form, a desire form of low grade intelligence and many of these are also like what we call a ghost, yet all ghosts are not negs, some are spirits attached to their houses or a truamatic happenstance, they can be retrieved to a higher level in that case.
over time insubstantial negs or thought forms which have this temporary life dissolve into nothing. I call them floaters when they begin to lose consciousness and break up. Remember they are not real souls, they are aspects of our creative function. These are often found in the lower astrals, or the hell BSTs.
What was good and true and loving in the drunk man did go to his just reward, which in his case just to be with his family he might consider that a reward, because they loved him and love is what saves a soul, or is what is saved. his family would have been his disc members who had helped him plan his life experience and participated with him.
R said:
If it is done on a percentage basis and an infinite number of souls exist, then an infinite number will be banished, because no matter how small of a percentage is involved, A x infinity = infinity.
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I don't understand your equation. sorry.
Infinity and banishment are not compatible concepts to me. I understand banishment to mean many mansions, many BST's, many stations of beingness, and degrees evolving into a myriad of choices to become, and universes where the rules are different than ELS.
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R said:
That is unless an infinite number of souls exist, but manifestation was designed so only a minimal number of souls incarnate in a manner that could potentially lead to eternal destruction.
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I sort of agree, that only a certain number of serial killers incarnate during each historical period, but I don't see eternal destruction was ever a real possibility, unless that is like an alternate reality that happened, where this particular me, was not stationed, I could see planets exploding, but since the soul is eternal in its essence I would see the destruction of a planet as simply another step in evolution designed to point out what doesn't work so god beings can go back to the drawing table and begin again this marvelous experiment called life. ok, so it's not always marvelous, but change is the only absolute if you think about it.
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R said:
Another possibility is that an infinite number of souls "haven't" been created. This is hard to imagine if source being is infinite.
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we don't know, but I've read about this theory, souls are birthed on the other side before incarnating here, or on the planet of their intentions. It's not too hard to imagine if you consider the human body can reproduce after it's own kind, why not souls reproducing after it's own kind, because this planet is suppose to be a shadow of the universe, or reflection, as above, so below.
One thing I would never waste my time trying to think of in terms of what infinity is, or where the edges of our universe is, because we cannot imagine that in C1, defined as limited being; however, we can go in our thoughts many places to explore.
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R said:
I can't say whether some souls get banished, because I haven't discovered the answer one way or the other. Some sources say that no soul ever gets banished.
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From what I've gathered, one can banish one's self into it's own hell place. Buried guilts will cause this. For instance, the guy who was addicted, where he was going, his lower desires could not go with him and so in a way, you could see the thought/body/desire body, the addiction as being banished. A friend of mine wanted to visit a hell. He found a man had put himself in a jail, and there was even a willing spirit there who wanted to play jailor. I assume, I've seen many, helpers on the other side working the BST's, clearing them out. We're not sure how it works exactly, not enough of us are doing it.
this guy who was in jail, I suspect can be persuaded to move out in time, to a higher level, first he'd have to forgive himself, whatever he did wrong, which he figures needs punishment. It might be shown to him later, some things he did which were good.
If you think about it, a lot of us are already in our self made hells. the best way I know of, is to say I'm sorry to whoever we hurt intentionally, then learn that hurting others causes us to feel guilty because frankly, we are guilty then. Thats why the bible said "if you have ought against any person, make it up to them somehow." you don't want to get on the other side and be having your disc members up in your face telling you what you did wrong in injuring someone. if you took pleasure in someone else's pain, this is a no no for spiritual evolvement to the higher planes. Many times the intentions were good, but someone got injured anyway. So this can be pointed out. Any soul wants to turn over a new leaf can be aided in that very quickly.
R said:
I don't mean to suggest that somebody is passing out false information. I've found that sources that seem to be sincere and honest contradict each other at times.
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yes, I know it's hard to discern truth from fiction sometimes. It's easier if you get on a heart path and let your heart be your guide. the heart doesn't lie. stay away from shifty eyes..
they are hold outs.
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If the below comment is true, perhaps it isn't a negative thing. It seems to state that if a Soul reaches a point where it can't be healed, its faulty memories are cleared so it can get a new start. This is diffferent than the viewpoint Bruce presented, when he suggested that a lost soul's energy will fade away and be absorbed by the other spirits who abide in the lower realm it abides in.
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when we talk of these things it doesn't have to be an "either/or" discussion. Something that happens to us that feels negative, later on becomes a positive, if thinking in terms of the highest good coming about. the astral form that clings unto the drinker for instance, it thinks it has beingness. I don't feel any compassion for a mindless entity such as what I see in this case. Bruce's viewpoint doesn't have to be wrong in order that another's viewpoint can be accepted as right.
the same with you and me. I tried to express to you that your viewpoint was right as well mine, which was a different viewpoint from yours, was right also, just another way of looking at it.
I think the trick is to find the common link between two viewpoints and distill the truth from that commonality.
with you and I, on another thread, I was considering how much you can love a person, which would cause you to try to find your loved one in a mirror, and the common link we have, is that she can find her loved one in the mirror of her mind, but has not attempted that yet.
However, upon occassion a real mirror becomes a temporary aide to get to the mirror of the mind, which would of course be the most desirable of the two means.
I had seen a picture of her father whispering to the medium to try the mirror one time as he was not able to make contact with her any other way and had been trying.
spirits spend a lot of time trying to figure ways to break through the veil to us, we are really dense but getting better.
u r mellowing out these days.
or maybe it's just me being willing to a little further with all these words...did u ever see a more gabby woman in all your life?
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