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Arthur Godfrey and Natalee Holloway's Mom (Read 2443 times)
Rondele
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Arthur Godfrey and Natalee Holloway's Mom
Feb 5th, 2008 at 2:56pm
 
Ok now that I have your attention, you're wondering what the heck do these two have in common?

Anyhow, just a brief background:

Godfrey was in the Navy during the 1920s, and one night while he was relaxing in his bunk, he suddenly looked up and saw a clear vision of his father.  It was as if his dad was saying goodbye.  He looked at his clock and noted the time.

Later, he received word of his father's death, and the time coincided with when he experienced his vision.

He said it gave him considerable comfort, knowing that his dad was still ok.

Now then, we have the sad case of Natalee Holloway.  She disappeared in May of 05 during her class trip to Aruba.  Chances are very good that she was killed and her body taken out to sea.

Her mom has been distraught for almost 3 years.  She has made numerous trips to Aruba trying to find information about her daughter, to no avail.

She has gone from a reasonably vibrant person to a physically and emotionally broken down woman.  It is painful to see her on tv.  She no doubt will carry this sadness to her death and maybe an early death at that.

So.....the obvious question arises from these two examples and I'm sure there are countless millions more just like them.  Why do some people (probably the vast minority) get vivid reassurance that their loved ones survive death, while most of the rest of us suffer, like Natalee's mom, never getting any kind of contact, however brief, from the deaths of our parents or children or spouses?

Why is the curtain between physical life and the afterlife so impenetrable in most cases, and yet so transparent in others?

We all have nagging questions we'd love to have answered, and I guess this is mine.

R


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Re: Arthur Godfrey and Natalee Holloway's Mom
Reply #1 - Feb 5th, 2008 at 3:46pm
 
Roger,

Of course, none of us really know Natalee or her mother, Beth.  So I am forced to speculate.  I would include 4 factors in my speculation as to why there has been no contact:

(1) ESP operates randomly beyond a person's micro-management.  Apparently the right kind of telepathic link must be established between the "receiver" and the "sender."  This "link" is affected by the beliefs and fears of the two parties.  Arthur Godfrey and/or his Dad may have been far more psychically gifted than Natalee and Beth.  I try to develop people's psychic abilities through inspiring paranormal accounts and teaching on how to open the mind to such new possibilities.

(2) As you know, Joram Vandersloot was recently trapped into confessing that Natalee died while he was attempting to have sex with her.  He then disposed of her corpse at sea. Prior to this, Beth Holloway Twitty clung to the belief that her daughter was still alive.  That belief could have inhibited the astral connection between mother and daughter.  Conversely, Arthur Godfrey saw no need to "try" to believe his Dad was still alive.  "Trying" to believe is the most effective way to kill psychic talent.  Will Beth receive an ADC now that she's accepted Natalee's death?  Most ADCs occur within the first year of the loved one's passing.  So I doubt it, but we'll see.

(3) Natalee was a conservative Christian who was an active member of her church Bible study in Birmingham.  She and her Mom probably believe that communication with the dead is a spiritually dangerous opportunity for demonic impersonation.  This mutual fear may well have sabotaged any ADC attempt.  Our prior beliefs may shape and limit our psstmortem curriculum.  Like attracts like and this principle may affect the type of teachers we receive after death--at least in the beginning of our postmortem journey.

(4) As a conservative Christian, Natalee was reportedly not sexually promiscuous and did not drink alcohol.  I think Joram slipped her a rufee and, God knows, some other drug like cocaine.  In her impaired conditon, she was induced to make out with Joram but probably resisted his sexual aggression at a certain point.  Her resistance increased the toxic impact of the drugs she was slipped.  After her death, she may have experienced a lot of guilt associated with her drug-impaired condition.  This guilt may have inhibited her efforts at an ADC.  

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Reply #2 - Feb 5th, 2008 at 4:13pm
 
Don-

Those are all plausible reasons re. the Holloway example.

However, there is another thing that might be instructive regarding the Godfrey example.  Specifically it seems as if afterlife contact is more likely to happen when it's not devoutly wished for.

From what I remember about the Godfrey story, he was not even thinking of his dad at the time.  Nor had his dad been ill (but I'm not positive about that).

In any case, spontaneous contact seems to be more the norm than contact resulting from our own effort.

If so, that would suggest that perhaps the decision is not up to either the living nor the deceased.  Maybe it's not random at all, but subject to some protocol that at least for now is unknown to us.

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Reply #3 - Feb 5th, 2008 at 5:03pm
 
Roger,

I'm confident that there are unknown psychic and spiritual laws which, if known, would allow  both ADCs and verifiable retrievals to be more common.  For this reason, I am upset that gifted astral and OBE adepts aren't more thoughtful about the questions they pose to alleged guides.  The right guides (saints?) would presumably have helpful answers to such questions.  The primary task of astral research should be protocols for retaining the presence of guides for helpful interrogation.  Adepts should meet to formulate a systematic set of questions that might at last make the reality of the afterlife more evidently verifiable.

Don
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Reply #4 - Feb 5th, 2008 at 5:40pm
 
Don-

Well, since several folks on this board have claimed the ability to visit the Hall of Knowledge, why not put out a call for them to ask this specific question:

"Are there any rules or laws that govern when a deceased person is able to contact his/her loved ones on the earthly plane, and if so, what are they"?

Seems like a straight-forward question.

R
ps- yes, I know the usual reply is that all of us have the ability to visit the Hall, but in the interests of efficiency, it would be preferable that someone who already has the ability to take on this task.

(Most of us also have the ability to fix a leaking pipe, but calling a plumber would be more advisable than flooding the house while we are studying the procedure).
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Reply #5 - Feb 5th, 2008 at 6:16pm
 
rondele wrote on Feb 5th, 2008 at 5:40pm:
Don-

Well, since several folks on this board have claimed the ability to visit the Hall of Knowledge, why not put out a call for them to ask this specific question:

"Are there any rules or laws that govern when a deceased person is able to contact his/her loved ones on the earthly plane, and if so, what are they"?

Seems like a straight-forward question.

R
ps- yes, I know the usual reply is that all of us have the ability to visit the Hall, but in the interests of efficiency, it would be preferable that someone who already has the ability to take on this task.

(Most of us also have the ability to fix a leaking pipe, but calling a plumber would be more advisable than flooding the house while we are studying the procedure).


Have you noticed that several folks on this board recently put out into the universe specific intentions to contact their guides in dreams and were answered exactly as requested? Others have asked to remember their dreams and were surprised to find that the intention was shortly followed by success.

Why do you think that happened? What is your closest guess?

love, blink Smiley
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Reply #6 - Feb 5th, 2008 at 6:31pm
 
Here is mine. We are given what we ask for, and it is done this way:

There is a time for everything and a season for every purpose under heaven,
a time to be born and a time to die, a time to laugh and a time to cry.

Ecclesiastes 3:1-2

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I accepted that this is the answer to your question for personal reasons which would, most likely, be laughable to you. But I received my own personal verification.

The Hall of Knowledge is inside of each of us, right now. The answers are there. All you have to do is ask.

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love, blink Smiley
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