Hi Nanner, and may everyone have a peaceful holiday time.

I believe that what will happen in 2012 is already happening, and it is that our world is "waking up" to the fact that many of our ways of life are not sustainable for our children and grandchildren to come.

Whether this also awakens the everpresent demons of fear and anger, or whether new, healing realizations come, change must come.

Simply to pull ourselves out of the brainwashed consumer daze that many live in is a daunting task. But it must be done, and on a grand scale. The acceleration will continue...the proliferation of weapons and goods...but in what way do we choose to participate?

We must choose to sink or swim, and we are very stressed creatures, so much of the time....but what is stress? We have very little yet, in my opinion, compared to what is to come.

What will we choose? To medicate ourselves into lala land? To pretend it's all okay as long as we have that great sleeping pill on our nightstand? Or will we choose to get real?

love, blink

Hi,

I agree with your third choice and with Blink, Nanner, that it's a series of events that are already happening. Maybe 2012 will be the peak or the ending. People  are helping each other more too, don't you think?

A few years ago I was shown a particular scene about a particular person that was set in the early 2020's, and life seemed to be going on pretty much as now. In that scene historical and new buildings stood side by side, and people were doing daily tasks without fear. It was very reassuring to me but guidance seemed abit perturbed I had picked up on the background views, maybe because it softens my need to focus on the purpose of current calamities. (I just realized that, will have to work on it.)

Love, Bets

using that gadget on that simulator...I have been bee-bopping back and forth between the years 2007 and 2022 and looking from the "moon" it seems that the earth we know today, seems to get a heck of a lot of clouds... and Afrika (to me it seems) moves upward, I mean the land there extends..or am I seeing things? ~Nanner movin to Afrika~

Well. a lot of stuff seems to be happening already. Edgar Cayce predicted that California and a lot of other places would fall into the ocean about now. n fact it's the other way around, the ocean will advanc to cover a lot of California, Georgia, Florida, Bahamas, huge areas of Thailand and other SouthEast Asian lowlands, as well as New Orleans, Manhattan Island, Washington DC is essentially a swamp, not much loss there, and a lot of places in southern Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana, etc. Greenland's ice cap has been estimated as capable of increasing the ocean by another two or three meters depth, which is quite enough to take out Venice etc, plague the Netherlands, wash all the heroin out of Marseilles and put the ministers feet awash in British Parliament.

The Sun's poles change polarity with the sunspot cycle every 11 years. That's normal. However, the Earth is covered by sea water, a conductor, in the solar wind, an electrical current. Moving a conductor in an electrical field causes an induced current, just like any other transformer. The induced current causes a magnetic field. So the Earth's magnetic field is going to go everywhichaway as the oceans change depth. The regular pattern in the past has been every 60,000 years, probably as an ice age effect, but this time we'll see something new.

There's an asteroid called Apophis www.armageddononline.org/99942_apophis_asteroid.php that might come by and give us a whack, which will definitely change the polar rotation. It's due to come by benignly  in early 2013. Whether the change will be detectable, as compared to theoretical, remains to be seen.

My personal feeling is that we'll have a lot of earthquakes as the tectonic plates reestablish equilibrium about the mean geodesical surface. The "rim of fire" plates are especially vulnerable due to their subduction zones. I just moved, and the wife and I made sure to have rocks under our house, and a location high enough to escape the onrush of sea water, even if we have a tsunami. The fact we're built on an earthquake fault promises to be interesting too.

For something else to worry about try this site, neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news146.html where they discuss the odds of being whacked in general, as well as by known rocks. And Mars has a few rocks headed that way as well. www.space.com/scienceastronomy/071220-asteroid-mars.html but the arrival time is much sooner.

As the oceans rise we are going to have a tremendous population pressure in SouthEast Asia. Muchof the low growing region will flood, so as we double population every 33 years (the usual rate) we'll also be reducing food supplies. That looks like a good excuse for a war. My guess is that we're going to run short of supplies in about 100 more years, not in 2012. Then there will be a period of major chaos and a lot of people dying of starvation, disease and things their neighbors do to them. After that, with luck, we'll learn to get along with each other, perhaps.

I think I'll watch a lot of this from the sidelines in spirit!

dave

There is no reason to be anxious about 2012, you can't control what is going to happen. However, you can hope for the best and prepare for the worst. 2012 could be anything, but I am sure that it serves a good and benvolent purpose.

The future isn't set in stone, we have the ability to lessen the changes. But we won't avert them entirely IMHO.

Here are some articles if you are interested:

http://fromthestars.com/page171.html
http://fromthestars.com/page159.html
http://fromthestars.com/page177.html
http://fromthestars.com/page76.html
http://fromthestars.com/page74.html

Lots of good info on that website!

I know you are familiar with Afterlife101 Nanner, you should read it's articles on Earth Changes to get an idea of what it coming.

Peace,

Pat

Interesting stuff. I haven't a shred of knowledge from experience, only what I've read and that ranges as you guys have already said from annihilation to a relatively benign awakening helped along by some not too serious earth and other changes.

There seems to be a view that a lot will depend on how much we awaken - in terms of our handling of the practical situation we find ourselves in. Which in turn will be determined by how much love we can express, how much wisdom we can find to act upon.

My personal sense is that we simply can't hope to sail on unaffected. Whether you view our situation through ecological, environmental, climate, geophysical, astronomical, energy, economic, technological, societal/population lens it's hard to think that we're not rapidly reaching a choke point beyond which our old ways can lead only to disaster.

How fast is hard to gauge. Climate could bite very suddenly. We could get an economic collapse very soon if things go wrong - the current crisis is caused by a mix of corporate greed and naive borrowing, it's possible there's lots worse to come. Or that the system has already absorbed the shock.

My sense is that lots of positive change is afoot too. There's been an incredible spiritual opening since the 1960s. Whether it's going to be enough to get us through remains to be seen.

My biggest fear is as Dave says - that if we get too big a shock too fast that we'll descend into warfare and dog eat dog behaviours before we can respond.

There's no value in getting really uptight about it - it's more a case of getting pointed in the right direction and then doing what we can to help on a day by day basis. It could even be that we're not seeing the big picture  - that it'll take quite some time for the sh1t to get in the fan.....

Adyashanti (the guy in the video) seems very credible, but there's hardly any info on him on his website.
http://www.adyashanti.org/

Anybody know his background, or anything much about him? Dood?