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Reply #15 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 7:27am
 
Hi,

If I am still a member I would like the forum to reflect on my comment below"


Just like other predictions of doom in the past nothing of earth shattering consequence is going to happen during 2012. "Nothing"  However, we just have to wait and see if I am right. Anyway worry is the most useless of habits.

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Reply #16 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 7:41am
 
I am confused by your mentioning of 'If I am still a member' line.

Also 'something' will happen.
Something happens everyday....there is no nothing will happen on any day at any time. Wink
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Reply #17 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 8:41am
 
THanks on A Dood.

Hi Alan. As Dood says that events will continue, with the possibility ranging from the normal gradual change (as goes on all the time) uninterrupted by sudden changes, crisis or catastrophe to more sudden step changes.

Whatever happens will be entirely natural, the result of cause and consequence playing out. We may indeed be working ourselves into some sort of post millenial flap. For sure too our job is to live day by day.

My view though is that it's not acceptable to stick our heads in the sand and pretend everything is OK while doing this - there are some very big man made risks facing the world - which if we can't respond to are likely to collectively teach us some very hard lessons.

Sooner or later.....
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Reply #18 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 9:41am
 
Wow, lots of perspectives and great ones at that!  Smiley

I had wondered about why at certain times the gadget only shows Africa or Australia, however when I began "changing" the time settings fro 10:00 o`clock to 12 and so forth I had been able to see different continents. So never the less I was relieved to see some exsisting continents a new... Whew I thought to myself..

However I still question "why is this gadget even available?" For what purpose? The fact that way different perspectives can be seen from whatever Orion, Uranius, Phoebie Satalites there are, or even the perspective from the Moon, Sun etc. makes it spooky for me in a way, sort of goes against everything I thought I knew (ergo: don`t sit infront of the sun or your butt will get severly crispy  Shocked) So how can a satalite be placed there hmmmmm )

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Alan, the fact that you are posting shows that you are a member Sweetie. You decide if you are a member or not, so whats the problem? Undecided

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That "Nothing" will happen, can not be fact - as I seem to see that "something" is happening everyday. It is very nice to be able to observe from a far, that many people are changing their attitudes towards "foreigners", be it from their side to this side, or visa versa. Its starting to really take formation. Thats "positive"... People are starting to "care"..

I feel what effect that has on the "outcome" already can be seen. The more that reach out, speak out, pray in meditation and send PUL all around the world, will change attitudes that way - using genuine love, the less fatel the "outcome" will be, as then the "lesson" is understood by many, which means a whole new era of teaching will take place thereafter. 

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A "systematic occurance" is anew taking place. I may try doig some ground work - like searching the "mathematical" part in all of this. Sort of checking "all numbers prior to big wars" to see, if at these times an over population had been. Checking the numbers prior to Tsunamis, Earth (Aches) Quakes, etc. and then placing them on a before and after sheet. That will give me a bigger picture at a distance and should tell me "if this whole ordeal is systematic". Considering that we have lots of info on prior exsisting civilisations, this shouldnt be all that hard to come up with.

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Something "cosmic" had to have happened around the days Dec. 20th thru 23rd this year. My body and mind was "at peak somehow" - It had felt like all of my circuits in my brain were going at high speed, reorganising something. I was baffeled beyond recognition. Did anyone else feel indifferent during this time.

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Reply #19 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 2:36pm
 
HI,
"If I am still a member"

I meant by this that 2007 is a long way off and anything can happen to me before then.

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Reply #20 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 2:53pm
 
Guys you really misunderstood me, I meant nothing of “earth shattering, titanic, colossal and catastrophic proportions” will Happen, Like Armageddon expected nearly every year since the book of revelations was written, Lo and behold when the pricted time came, each prophesied or predicted catastrophe never came to pass..

I have gone into this prophet thing and found one consistent thread, they have all been proved to be consistently wrong Of course due to statistical probability there have been some “apparent hits’ Most prophecies are smothered in a huge blanket of ambiguity.

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Reply #21 - Dec 28th, 2007 at 12:23am
 
  I find the whole, "well so many have been wrong and off about future predictions of much change, so they can't possibly happen" to be a bit of an odd approach to the validity or lack thereof of all such predictions.   I guess i don't connect the dots there.   

   But anyways, yeah i agree worry in relation to such changes is pretty pointless and a total waste of energy.  Perhaps because of the lack of worry within this self, and the degree of detachment towards "outer" conditions is part of why i've been recieving info about the changes for so long now?

  When many, various more credible sources seem to be saying the same general thing, then i pay close attention especially if i'm getting personal guidance on such issues too.    For example, Bruce Moen, Rosiland McKnight's guides, Bob Monroe, Edgar Cayce, many NDE accounts, many indigenous peoples, all seem to be saying the same general thing, that major changes are coming on many levels and that for some, some of these may be upsetting and civilization alterning.

  There doesn't have to be anything "fearful" about such changes, but yet humans in general are so scared on average, individually and collectively of "change".   Why, because it represents the unknown and calls for less attachment to what's outside of us.  We tend to hold and cling to our attachments, as if they were precious gifts, and not the limiting patterns that they really are.  We desire and struggle to stay within our comfort levels.   Outer change may upset that clinging and may facilitate us realizing that we need to break those attachments or rather replace them with better, more constructive and interally oriented attachments. 

  In the long run, these changes will be seen to be the best things which could happen to humanity, we will look back with great gratitude and deep appreciation for the temporary "chaos" and challenging catalysts that such changes will have provided for us.  Of course, then, we collectively will have grown beyond such emotional fear and materialistic attachments as compared to now.

  Btw, as a long time student of the Cayce material, and having read a lot of books based on this material, i have repeatedly noticed a trend and pattern of many authors and critics either misinterpreting or twisting the meaning of certain readings, or taking them too much out of a much larger and very important to consider context.    When it comes to the Cayce readings, context, context, context is an extremely important factor and consideration.   Of course, Cayce did have blatant predictive errors, but this does not somehow completely invalidate the whole of his work or of his predictions for the future. 

  My understanding is that Cayce's guides, more than anything, pointed to general trends in relation to the changes, than giving a lot of specific and time based predictions.    Most often when dates where actually mentioned, they were mentioned in relation to a long term trend, and telling people to watch the longer term trends, to be observant of same. 

  For example, the "prediction" his guides most made, in relation to actual time periods, was the prediction of a general global warming trend becoming most noticable in relation the climate of the artic and antartic.   He basically said, this would start to become noticeable starting around the year 1958 and becoming ever more apparent, especially towards the year of 1998.  98 and after, would see a real pickup in various changes relating to climate, spiritual awakening, and earth/geological events.   Contrary to popular belief, Cayce never gave a definite date for the shifting of the poles, which really should be called the shifting of the Earths crust.    There is a reading which mentions the dates of 2000/2001, but if read more carefully and not so narrowly, one would see that Cayce's guides are still outlining more gradual trends.   So many authors before this actual date, did the Cayce's work a real disservice when they pointed to this reading and said that it definitively pointed to THE date of a poleshift, no questions asked and no other conditions given, etc.  Roll Eyes   

  Considering these first predictions about global warming were given almost some 80 years ago, i would say that this was a definite predictive "hit", unless one still wants to deny that there are major global climate pattern changes going on.   Cayce guides though, seem to point to more natural and cyclic Earth and cosmic cycles relating to the cause of this, rather than the more popular and mainstream human pollution cause as many today point too.   

  While i saw and did not completly agree with Al Gore's movie about global warming, i found something in it very interesting in relation to the Cayce material.  Gore mentions one of his professors being really interested in climate and that he became aware or noticing that there was a shifting, a change in the global climate patterns around 58 or 59, though he primarily links to increased carbon emissions.   What's interesting is that the 58 period is the exact period that Cayce's guides mentioned many decades before, for being the time frame for starting to notice these climate changes. 

  What a "coincidence" eh? Cheesy Wink   It's also coincidental that his guides pointing to 98 being an especially important marking period in this whole changes phenomena.   What happened in 98'?   Nothing except our Sun aligning to the exact center point in its alignment to the Galactic plane, which only happens once every 6, 500 or so years, and only happens every 13, 000 or so years in relation to the Sun's solstice position in relation to the Galactic plane.   We're in the 13,000 cycle peaking phase.  Astromically this alignment started in a physically measurable way, in and around the year 1980, reached perfect center point in 1998, and will be in physical alignment till 2016.   So we have a 36 year cycle or period of physical/astronomical alignment to this great Center.   Cayce couldn't have known about this whole 98' thing, because astronomy/science itself didn't find that out until many years later.  Interesting that he just happened to point to this year, more than once, to an especially important marking period, and when the changes would start to BEGIN in earnest. 

  Sure, but such major and once in only 13,000 or so year Galactic Solar cycles have no import or connection to the destiny of humanity, and to its evolution towards greater and more pure Light.

  After all, so many predictions and prophecies, time frames, so many sources, etc. have been so off.   But few have had the amount of "coincidences" that this particular above source has had.

  As far as "2012" goes, i would say there is a lot of confusion, disinfo, and lack of holistic and clear reasoning in relation to same.    The Mayans, like many, were more pointing to general time frames in relation to the changes, and not just pointing to one momentous year.    It is and has been a gradual developement, with various marking points in relation to same.   

  What is interesting about 2012 as compared to other years, is this.  It's still within that 36 year Solar Galactic alignment cycle, but also marks the smaller Solar cycle maximum cycle wherein the Sun is scheduled to move into its most intense and active in its 11 year cycle, wherein it has a peak low and high point. 

  Personally, i see 2008 to 2015 being particularly "change filled" in relation to civilization, humanity, the economy, the geological and climate aspects of Earth, and changes relating to all the above.   This in particular may be an extreme and challenging period for many.
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Reply #22 - Dec 28th, 2007 at 1:23am
 
  I should have mentioned earlier, that it wasn't until i stopped reading books based on Cayce's work, hence 2nd hand interpretations, info, etc., and started to study the some 14, 300 or so readings more directly myself, that i began to understand how much misinterpretation and out of context kind of stuff was going on with this particular set of material, how many authors were injecting their own preconceived beliefs or misinterpretations into these books and calling them directly "Cayce info".   So few of these books actually quoted large amounts of the actual readings themselves, and when they did actually quote, they usually only used little snippets taken out of a larger and more holistic context. 

  And in having my own experiences, dreams, and other guidance messages, helped me to understand more fully and clearly, the info related to the Earth changes in the Cayce readings.  Cayce guides seem to hint and repeat the hint, that these changes are a gradual developement all in all, but also having peak or climaxing points as well.   Too many have painted a too black and white picture of the changes, or of Cayce's material relating to same.
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Reply #23 - Dec 28th, 2007 at 4:46am
 
Hi everyone, I hope all have rejoiced with their family and friends. And I hope all of you gained 15 pounds...lol...!  Grin joking. Lovely - to be here.

I was wondering if I can get us to talk about the interpretations of the year 2012? What we feel will happen, how it will effect mankind, the fears which people have concerning 2012?

Its okay to speak out ones fears, as they are present, so I am extending to all newsbies to interact wholsomely in this topic too.

Reading diverse Websites I`ve come to understand that some people think that 2012 earth will "explode", some believe that "interplanetary beings"  will land in the back yards of every country and scare the living poo poo out of everyone causing them to have a sort of trauma", some believe that "2012 all continents will make a decision out of 2 choices and that because of this, there will be a world war 3".. while as others say that "flooding will take place, earth quakes, massive dangerious lightning bolts, ice storms and chaos will take place causing people to freak out and change their way of thinking towards each other, because they will need each other to survive"..

What can you contribute to the thoughts of 2012.

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Reply #24 - Dec 28th, 2007 at 11:18am
 
FUBAR , I tried that, been there - done that!  Cheesy No such luck - I will also be 5 years older in 2012!  Ya know, this so called "Anti-Aging" is for the poops too, I tried that , and each darn year I got older anyway, so much for "Anti-aging!"

2012 will not suck, I do believe that up till then we will all make major leaps towards consciousness levels.. I would certainly hope so.
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Reply #25 - Dec 28th, 2007 at 11:33am
 
I have heard it validated from other sources that you are right, Nanner -  that consciousness levels are higher, as a whole, collectively, than they were 100 years ago. But there are still a lot of unhappy people out there.

I do like to think that Alysia is on target, also, as she says that there will, in time, be a tipping point toward collective higher consciousness, if we can hang in there together long enough to get there.

Perhaps best to see the glass half full....?

love, blink Smiley

p.s. B, everyone always tells me to "see it not there"....that does seem to do the trick sometimes.
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Reply #26 - Dec 28th, 2007 at 2:17pm
 
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... But there are still a lot of unhappy people out there. love, blink Smiley


Well Blink baby - I guess thats were "we" all come into the picture  Wink

It is up to you, Alysia, Ahso, Alan, Fubar, Deanna, Juditha, Old Doodi man, Bruce, good ole Bets, Lihn, wondermous vajra and all the others with higher vibes of consciousness and lets not forget itzy Nanner to reach out as fast as we can and help all the others to the next step.

Look at it sort of like horseback riding without a saddle. We bend down, get on all fours so that the other person can step onto our backs to use as a stairway and be able to get on that horse!  Cheesy Since we know the key to all of this is PUL

WE are capable of extending exactly that, which means we are capable of infecting others with it too..

Much work needs to be done.. Who knows maybe thats why we always come back exactly to THIS BOARD, nomatter how many others we visit.  Wink

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Reply #27 - Dec 28th, 2007 at 6:42pm
 
Smiley You never know Nanner. We may even be the flap of the butterfly's wing that will be the tipping point. Or just a bunch of serial bullsh1tters.....
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Reply #28 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 12:52am
 
Cheesy Well then sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many serial bull squaters CAN NOT BE WRONG! ...lol..

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Reply #29 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 9:43am
 
Hi,
Winston Churchill said the only correct prophet was one that prophesied after the fact. He was correct..

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